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5019 has too much manganese. The bottom limit is .10 Tom's was .03 The only alloy that matches Tom's is 5082. Also, Tom said to discount the nickel because there are nickel wires near the fragment and with this length of integration, it could be what Tom calls "reflections.

Aluminum alloy 5019 was not invented until 1972. Rather, the alloy found on the tie was likely 5082. Also, for magnalium to be in powder form (for use in pyrotechnics for example) it must have a magnesium content of 50% not 5%.

Wrong. This transmission was not done over any ARINC frequency. It was done over an NWA company frequency and sent over an NWA company teletype. I have confirmed this through conversations with both ARINC personnel and NWA radio operators from that time period. While ARINC did become involved in the communications of NWA 305 and ground personnel, that did not occur until after 8:19 PST. Please stop propagating inaccurate information. It's almost as bad as Cub's sketches.

That's rich. You accusing me of "personal digs". lol I could waste hours quoting the insults and ad hominem attacks you have repeatedly made against members of this forum for years and years. Here's a few from just from the last couple of hours: "childish" "unprofessional and juvenile" Also, the suggestion that his sketches "pollutes the perception and influences people" is not a fact. It's an opinion. Someone of your intellectual stature should know the difference, no? Lastly, the idea that Cub is not a credible researcher or author is utterly laughable. Do I detect some envy, Flyjack? If so, that's unbecoming. Regardless, there are multiple examples, from the beginning of this forum, of people editing case evidence. From adding arrows and circles to photographs, to creating side by side sketch profiles, to adding text and visuals to the flight path map. I've never heard you breath a word of complaint about any of those things. What go after Cub about his sketches? But, whatever, this is a stupid and unproductive argument. I'm done with it. Enjoy the last word.

Eh, bad take. Cub isn't distributing his photoshopped sketches on street corners. He's sharing them among people in the Vortex. And he isn't presenting them as if they are the equivalent of the originals or even substitutes. And again, it's a 52 year old closed case. Like, it's not a big deal. IMO, you are being way too uptight about it.

There are half a dozen sketches that all look like different people. If anyone muddied the waters and polluted public opinion it was the FBI with so many sketch variations. Also, it's a 52 year old, unsolved, closed case. Who gives a shit what Cub does with the sketches?

Note the above post from Hominid back in 2012.

I posted this back in September after my interview with Len Camp, senior directly at NORAD: This symbology would have then been translated into GEOREF and then into longitude and latitude along with the corresponding timestamps. These timestamps would be down to the tenth of a second. The time frame of the computer is roughly 15 seconds with three sub-frames of about 5 seconds each. He considers it very likely Spangler chose the exact times spaced about a minute or apart to keep the clutter down on the map. Thus, it is highly likely that the radar plot points expressed in red Xs are exact down to within plus/minus 5 seconds. This means that if between 8:00:05 and 7:59:57, Spangler would have chosen 7:59:57 because it is closest to the round 8:00. This is significant regarding the timing of the map plot points. I'm open to the idea of the "missing minute" being explained by rounding the times. I've yet to see a satisfying explanation of that.

There is no evidence that George Harrison was listening in on the phone patch in the 8:18 to 8:22 time frame, nor that he was taking notes during the hijacking. He may very well be the Unknown note-taker, but that's conjecture. Three other men were taking notes: Bob Lowenthal, Carl Griffin, and Stuart McClelland. In speaking with NWA personnel working at Sea-Tac that night, including a man working in the office directly across from Flight Dispatch, that all of those named men were there together, and all were listening in on the ARINC phone patch. They were not elsewhere reading the teletype. Also, by most accounts it takes no more than a minute or so to type and send through teletype. Again, I have spoken to former ARINC personnel who confirmed this. The bottom line is that if the crew gave their "23 DME" report at 8:18, it would not have taken 4 minutes for it to be typed in shorthand and then sent and received. Further, we don't even have any evidence that ARINC was even providing teletype services on the phone patch. The only teletype we have seen came from NWA, not ARINC and that ended shortly after 8:20.

Wait. So you conclude that there is in fact a missing plot point between 7:59 and 8:05, but dismiss it as a rounding error? Then, based on this, you conclude the times after 8:05 are accurate? Am I understanding you? How do you account for the DME report at 8:21?

Pure gaslighting. Don't turn this back on Cub and I. YOU are the one who decided to A. nitpick a VERY minor detail B. continue to double down on it when everyone agreed it was inconsequential and C. started the ad hominem attacks. This is exactly why I rarely post here. Toxic nonsense.

The long held belief was the SPANGLER either requested the map to be created or did it himself. We now have clarification on that. He also indicated that the map was used to create a DZ map that we have never seen. Are you salty that you did find the guy and interview him? Is that why you nit-picked a minor detail like that color of the goddamn map? Or are you just pedantic for no reason?

I mean if you really feel it's necessary to double down on this, go ahead. My point stands that we now know more about Spangler, his role in the case, and the specific origins of the flight path map. You're free to do with that what you will. Happy Holidays.

So, I have did a deep dive into the "mystery" 5000 series aluminum alloy found on the tie. Below is a link to the so-called "Teal Sheet" which is the "defining source for the designations and chemical composition limits for wrought aluminum and wrought aluminum alloys". https://www.aluminum.org/sites/default/files/2021-10/Teal Sheet.pdf For reference, if a range a given then that is the maximum and minimum amount found in the alloy. If a single number is provided in the composition then that is the maximum amount and the minimum is, of course, zero. I initially narrowed the search down to 5056, 5082, 5083, 5356, 5456, and 5182. All of them had too much manganese except one: 5082 This alloy was developed in 1963. A quick, cursory search resulted in the following applications: Chemical Industry Desalination Units Building and Construction Material Pressure Vessels Structural or Architectural applications Frames Railroad Rails Automotive components Domestic and Office Furniture Transmission Towers Furniture Applications Scaffolding Good luck narrowing that down to any specific industry or workplace. Feel free, everyone, to fact check my research.

Agreed. The color is inconsequential. The over-arching point is that we now have clarification on the origin of the so-called FBI Flight Path map. We also have a mystery in that the FBI was in possession of a "Spangler DZ Map" within 48 hours of the hijacking, and that map has yet to enter the public domain.

I emailed him an image of the map among other things. He and I knew exactly what we were talking about. There was nothing missing in the context of our conversation. You know, like teeth.

JFC, are we really arguing about what color the flight path map is/was? Like, how is that at all relevant in light of the revelations made by Major Spangler about its origins and use? We're not going to discuss any of that? THAT is why forums suck.

This past September, olemisscub located Thomas Spangler, the man who is identified in the FBI files as providing the FBI flight path map to them. I'd spent well over a year trying to find the guy, but olemisscub got him. I called and interviewed Mr. Spangler who is alive and well, and quite alert considering his age. Very nice guy. Here are some takeaways from that interview: * Capt. Spangler retired as Major Spangler in the 1980s. In November of 1971, he was stationed at McChord as a navigator for C-130s and C-141s and specialized in calculating drops. * The day after the hijacking, he was given the map along with weather data and the time that NWA believed Cooper jumped by the unit at the SAGE blockhouse at McChord. He wasn't even allowed in the building. They met him at the door and gave him the stuff. He says that no civilian radar was used in constructing the flight path map. It came directly from the SAGE unit at McChord. * He was tasked with creating the first drop zone for Cooper. He described the drop zone as "teardrop shaped" and put Cooper directly in the middle of Lake Merwin. * When he was done with his drop analysis, he turned over his drop zone map along with the yellow flight path map over to the FBI. Thus, Spangler did not create the yellow flight path map, he simply used that map to create the very first drop zone map - one which we have never seen. * He recalls that the map was given to him with the red crosses on it, but cannot recall if he or someone else drew the dark line and time stamps on it * He had full confidence that the plot points on the map were perfectly accurate. He said the SAGE guys were air defense and did stuff like that all the time. He independently confirmed what Len Camp, the senior director at NORAD said: SAGE could differentiate between a Mode 2 and Mode 3 IFF transponder code, both in real time and in data printouts. * He said that he recalls the sled test because he arranged for everything, but has no recollection of the men on it. He still has original photographs from the sled test along with notes regarding the case. He says he was the one who arranged the C-141 with a camera crew to fly alongside the jetliner during the sled test. * He said he doesn't recall feeling a physical "pressure bump" on the sled test flight, but he wasn't really paying attention to that aspect. * He had full confidence that the plot points on the map were perfectly accurate. He said the SAGE guys were air defense and did stuff like that all the time. He independently confirmed what Len Camp, the senior director at NORAD said: SAGE could differentiate between a Mode 2 and Mode 3 IFF transponder code, both in real time and in data printouts. * After the sled test, he had little to no contact from the FBI about the case. I certainly left out a lot of details, but we now have a much better understanding of the origin of the yellow map, and now we have to be on the lookout for the "Spangler DZ map" in the FBI files.

Maybe? I dunno. Tom would have to answer that question. That said, It seems the presumption has been that the three packets arrived at Tena Bar separately from the rest of the money. I've longed said that the money arrived together in the money bag.

Looks like magnalium used In pyrotechnics has a much higher magnesium content than just 5%.

Good catch. Magnalium is used in pyrotechnics as a bright, yellow color. Obviously, an inordinate amount of particles on the tie are connected to fireworks, flares, safety, matches, etc. Recently, TK said that the pure titanium may actually be titanium oxide found in matches in which the oxygen burned away during combustion. Wouldn’t surprise me if almost all of the particles were somehow related to handling the flares or smoking cigarettes.

In speaking with Tom, he says it's certainly possible that the cloth bank bag could act as a "filter" for the diatoms, especially the larger ones like Asterionella. Something to consider when discussing the money find.

5000 series aluminum has numerous applications. The ones that most closely match the composition of the aluminum found on the tie appear to be more related to marine applications such as shipbuilding. Here's the breakdown. Tom says to ignore the nickel because it is likely a contaminant. Obviously, there are ranges for element amounts. Aluminum 94.52 Magnesium 4.73 Iron 0.25 Silicon 0.23 Nickel 0.19 Chromium 0.06 Manganese 0.03 Some of the closest matches are 5019, 5056, 5059, 5082, 5083, 5182, 5356, and 5456. I'm sure there are more. Some of these didn't exist in 1971.