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The winds from the SE and the forward throw of Cooper jumping into that wind traveling roughly from the NE would have essentially negated one another. Cooper likely would have fallen basically straight down if a no pull. The 8:10 time for the pressure bump is impossible if you take into account the fact that the oscillations themselves weren’t reported until 8:11/8:12. That’s like giving birth and then telling the doctor that you feel labor pains two minutes later. Moreover, Anderson has stated that they delayed in reporting the pressure bump: “After the final "bump" which we felt with our ears, we all discussed it for awhile, waiting for another bump. It never occurred, so we assumed that was his exit. But we discussed this among ourselves before notifying NWA. The truth is, we just didn't know for sure. I just don't recall how much time lapsed between feeling the final "bump" and reporting it to NWA via radio. That’s where the uncertainty has come from. But later we all thought that final bump was his exit.” Thus, the crew wasn’t giving an exact time. They were giving us a broad range which I described before because they weren’t sure when the pressure bump happened. Combine that with the questions about the timing of the flight path and you could certainly extend that range even further south. The bottom line is that there is uncertainty regarding WHEN Cooper jumped and therefore, uncertainty regarding the drop zone. I believe it is possible that the jump was anywhere from Battleground to the northern bank of the Columbia. Based on the money find, I conclude it was the latter.

Sigh. The 8:10/8:11 time is from the report of the oscillations NOT the pressure bump. The time of the pressure bump is not reported nor recorded. Im not saying it was OVER the Columbia but it was near enough to the river to end up on the northern bank. The ability for the plane to be near the north side of the Columbia exists.

FJ, Look at the 302s. There is constant conflation between the pressure bump and the oscillations. The LZ is based on the report of the oscillations not the pressure bump. No time stamp for the pressure bump exists in the official documents. There is a great deal of evidence that the jump occurred later than is generally accepted including the money find and crew statements. If they KNOW when Cooper jumped then they aren’t saying because there is no documentation of when the pressure bump occurred and the crew has never given an exact time. Full stop. That leaves open the possibility that the jump was closer to the river.

If disputing the FBI LZ is rejecting evidence then the FBI is also guilty of that. Larry Carr also suggested the LZ was farther south. Also, the FBI’s LZ was based on their misinterpretation of the “oscillations” vs. the “pressure bump”. They incorrectly assumed that the jump occurred at 8:11 when the oscillations were reported. That was incorrect. Thus, the LZ was wrong. Carr and others realized this later on.

His statement is not in any of the official documentation such as the 302 or transcripts. It’s anecdotal. Moreover, if that statement WAS made, we don’t know WHEN it was made. There’s no time stamp attached to it, and that is the key.

All of this is conjecture. If any of us had proof of our claims, we would be on a book tour and appearing on Good Morning America rather than posting online. My theory doesn’t require a rejection of evidence. Rather, the evidence suggests Cooper jumped later than 8:12. The money find on Tena Bar suggest the money ended up in the Columbia at some point. Kaye’s diatom research suggests it ended up there in spring time which is flood season. Taking all of those things into account, I theorize that Cooper and/or the money ended up near the north bank of the Columbia and several months later was transported via flood waters to Tena Bar - likely using river debris such as a brand or log as the vehicle. This theory accounts for all of the known evidence without rejecting any. Can I PROVE this? Of course not. Am I trying to? Of course. But that’s the story with everyone else in the Vortex too.

No, I am simply respectfully disagreeing with someone’s conclusions. My beliefs and theories on this case have been very consistent throughout. If I was being “argumentative”, then I would argue with everyone about everything. That’s not the case. You clearly have a personal issue with me. Whatever...

I agree that the terminology is imprecise. Still, I think it is fine to conclude that the so-called “oscillations” were created by Cooper making his way out on to the aftstairs, and the “pressure bump” was created by Cooper jumping from the aircraft. I don’t think Cooper ended up in the Columbia that night. However, I think it is quite possible that Cooper and/or the money ended up near the Columbia - perhaps along the riverbank or one of the islands. Then the waters rose during the floods and transported the money to Tena Bar via debris. So, with the imprecise times and overall margin of error, Cooper could have jumped near the banks of the Columbia.

FJ, My point is this: you had oscillations which concluded in one large “bump” or “pressure event”. This large pressure bump happened the moment Cooper bailed as evidenced by the sled test. The oscillations occurred over a period of time - apparently from the point Cooper began down the aftstairs. This isn‘t a novel notion, but a commonly held one. The oscillations were reported at 8:11/8:12. The pressure bump - the final pressure event indicating Cooper had left the plane - was never reported during the flight. We don’t know the exact time that occurred except that it occurred after 8:12 and before the plane crossed the Columbia at 8:17. I’m not being argumentative here, but these are general facts of the case.

Nice boots, man.

That’s not accurate, FJ. There’s no evidence that the pressure bump was merely a “bigger oscillation”. Second, the pressure bump was first reported at 8:12. The crew later said that when it occurred “the lights of Portland were visible” and “ they had not yet crossed the Columbia. They crossed the Columbia at 8:17. So, the jump occurred between 8:12 and 8:17. Based on the money find, I speculate that it was closer to 8:17.

This isn’t complicated. The oscillations are different than the pressure bump. The oscillations occurred for some time and concluded with the pressure bump. The pressure bump occurred when Cooper jumped. When did the pressure bump occur? Nobody knows for sure. Anyone who suggests they know when the pressure bump occurred is either mistaken or lying. We know it occurred after 8:12 based on the report to NWO and prior to passing over the Columbia based on crew statements (“lights of the Portland suburbs coming up”). All we can conclude from the information we have is that Cooper jumped some time between 8:12 and 8:17. Any further claim of precision is baseless.

Didn't Ulis' recent History Channel show indicate that the DNA from Kaye's strips were uselessly contaminated?

At this point, I would only be interested in moving forward with a DNA test if we had the hair samples. That looks more and more unlikely at this point.

Who’s the contact person in the FBI now for the Cooper case? Anyone?

Damn. Would the FBI even share that info? Is it possible to do a FOIA request? I have a geneticist who is interested in doing a DNA test on it and conducting a forensic genealogy investigation. Would the FBI cooperate?

Any knowledge of where that hair/hairs might be? It is now possible to get nuclear DNA from rootless hairs.

Flyjack, What do you know about the “small, brown hair” found on the towel on the headrest of Cooper’s seat. Andrade believes it was kept superglued to a glass square and would be virtually useless to test for DNA. Do you know anything about this? Where was it’s last known location?

I think we are both saying the same thing in different ways. My point is that we don't know when the pressure bump happened exactly, so we don't know when Cooper bailed exactly.

I'm a college English professor, so I'm LITERALLY a semantics professional. LOL I guess we'll just have to agree to disagree... I wish the information from the flight data recorder was available to see when any major pressure bump were documented. So many blank spaces.

I think you're the one interpreting semantics. For example, you dismiss a member of the crews statement for no apparent reason. You equate oscillations with pressure bumps. You say describe the report at 8:12 as "frantic", but there's nothing that indicates that. You're assuming the pressure bump couldn't be differentiated from the previous oscillations despite the crew statements to the contrary. I think you are trying to make connections with the language that aren't in the evidence. And NORJACK couldn't have "given birth" at 8:11 because it was still "pregnant".

Flyjack, I’m trying to catch up with everything you have posted, but I will say this: At 8:11/8:12 NO pressure bump was reported. OSCILLATIONS were reported. There was nothing like, “We just had a major pressure fluctuation.” Or We just had a large pressure oscillations.” Rather, the statement is “We are getting some oscillations in the cabin.” That implies that it hasn’t ended. It implies that it is ongoing. It’s the difference between being pregnant and giving birth. At 8:11, the crew was reporting being pregnant (getting oscillations), but mentioned nothing about giving birth (the pressure bump/jump) My point stands: there is nothing reporting a “final pressure bump” or “large pressure fluctuation” or “major oscillation”. All we know is that at 8:11 they were “getting ocscillations”. The pressure bump came AFTER this time. When was that? Again, we don’t know, but Rat says it was 5 to 10 minutes after last contact and later change that to 10 to 15 minutes. But they also state that they could see the lights of Portland, but hadn’t crossed the Columbia. They crossed the Columbia around 8:17. So, the jump occurred after 8:11 and before 8:17. A jump closer to the Columbia makes sense because it could account for the Tena Bar money.

I'm not referring to the ARINC comm. I'm referring to the time stamp on the cockpit conversation (ear piece came out).

If we assume the 8:09 event was Cooper on the stairs, then he was on those stairs for at least two minutes. At the end of the day, we don't know when the pressure bump occurred, except that when it happened the oscillations ended. We don't know when the oscillations ended. The 8:11 time has NOTHING to do with the pressure bump. It is the FBI erroneously conflating the oscillations with the time Cooper left the plane. That's a mistake. He left the plane later. When that was? We don't know, but we know it was later than 8:11 and likely later than 8:12. In fact, based on crew statements it could be any time between 8:13 and 8:17 (when they crossed the Columbia). You have to stop mixing up the 8:09 event, the oscillations, and the pressure bump. Different things.

I'm sure the time stamps are accurate, but the FBI is looking at the wrong thing. 8:11 is the time of the oscillations were happening. The pressure bump occurred later.