dgskydive

I was asking because a few weekends ago I was shocked to see afew experienced jumpers not either wearing them or strapping them down. They said they never did at there DZ and it was no big deal! Dom

How many of you out there wear them during take off and landing. If you don't wear them what do you do with them during take off and landing? If you don't why not? Dom

Keep in mind the way that people have been trained as well. At the DZ I learned at it was mandatory for every jumper to be checked prior to jumping. Didn't matter your experience level and it was checked by the person behind you. The less movement the better in the plane. This person was probably doing what they had been taught to do. Please don't take it as an attack on you personally. My statment about jump numbers is more or less a blanket statement for new jumpers male or female. If more experienced jumpers took charge of low timers we would see a lot less accidents in our sport. Personaly I don't care if a low timer gets made at me for something like that. One thing I think that a lot of people forget these days is that you are not only effecting yourself when you skydive. There are hundreds of things that can happen to other jumpers as a direct result of your actions. All the way from taking out a plane with more then 20 people on it, to ripping some ones canopy by landing on it. When it comes to my life and the lives of my friends on the plane I don't give a damn about about personal property issues at the point. Dom

No one is trying to screw with my rig like your military people are, and apparently even you weren't able to tell what the problems were, so what difference does it make if I could or not since obviously not many can. It wasn't Military gear I was talking about. It was my static line JCC for skydiving. I was saying the same things to her as you are syaing. "I packed it, I hooked it up, blah blah blah. The point that PAtty was making was that none of us know everything and there is always something that can get you. Don't take it as an offense to you. Take it as someone looking out for you and themsleves and everyone else on the plane. I am not trying to argue with you. Just bring different things to your attention. A good majority (in fact almost every) death I have seen in this sport could have been prevented. Some by gear checks that didn't happen because the person wearing the rig didn't want or feel the need for a gear check. Sometimes they die sometimes they take other people out with them. How bad would you feel if you where the cause of an accident because you didn't check your gear before you went out the door and it cost someone else there life? Our took out the DZ's plane? I am sorry but once again I don't believe a low time jumper should be checking there own gear in the plane! Hell there are a lot of jumpers period tht I don't think should be checking there own gear. BTW I bet if that guy who pissed you off had seen yo give yourself a gear check he wouldn't have touched your gear at all. Didn't you say you where about ready to jump when he did it? Had you checked your gear prior to him doing it? No one asks me if I want a gear check because they see me do it about 10 times on the way up. I don't ask people that I see do their own if they want one unless they are low timers, and if I see a low timer get near the door with out one you bet I am going to give him or her one! So if you don't want me to check you then you better get one from some one else! Dom

Then why do you jump with Rob!? Dom

***while I try and remortgage my grandmother or something... Let me know if I can help. I'll split the money 60/40 with ya! Dom

*** well, then maybe you should stay in the back and be last out because you know what, that is the chance you take when you get in that plane. Shows your inexperience. I was giving examples. If your reserve fires in the door you will more then likely take the whole plane out as you are pulled through the side of the aircraft! Being in the back of the plane may or may not save anyone. Quote Someone could very well get a pin check and still somehow catch their pop top on something and out comes a reserve. Very true! Accidents happen. At least they did what ever they could to make sure it was safe. IMHO YOU do not have enough experience to be checking your own gear anyway. That is a blanket statment for new jumpers with your number and time in the sport. I bet I could hook your rig up wrong in at least three different ways that could kill you and you could check your own gear and not see it, even if you checked it 5 times! By the time I went through the Static line JCC I had already been a military jumpmaster for over a year and had done thousands of gear checks, both military and civilian. Patty Chernis (RIP) was our instructor and picked on me because of my military experience and showed me different rigs that she had hooked up. I looked at everyone of them and said they where good to go. Then she showed me that there was a potential killer gig in each one of the rigs I had just said was safe to jump! So you don't know as much as you think you do at this stage. Shit we just had a jumper that went all day with there three rings hooked up wrong on one side! She was given gear checks by people that she trusted and none of them caught it! She just happend to be talking to someone else before loading a plane and they happened to notice something a little strange and saw she had misrouted it. So even gear checks by true professionals aren't always gonna save you. But one last check never hurts. It's the one that you don't get that kills you! Dom

Quote You have to understand that I did not ask for my gear to be checked and that no one has the right to touch me or my belongings if I do not ask them to do so. It is a violation! If I wanted a pin check, i'd have asked my boyfriend to do it. Or, if he was not there, and I wanted one, I would have asked someone. But, unasked for gear checks are like unasked for advice... just don't. _________________________________________________ What if you don't get your pin check and your reserve pops in the door and takes out the whole plane? Or you are floating and it pops and takes out not only the camera man but everyone behind you? No one wants that to happen, and don't think that it can't happen to you! I can understand that you don't want a stranger touching your gear. IMHO you should have that reserve pin (and your main) checked before you get out of the plane everytime! My problem is you say IF YOU WANT a gear check. You should get one weather you WANT it or not. It's not just your life until you are safely out the door and clear of the airplane and other jumpers. So if you don't want a stranger to check you then have your BF do it, but please have it done every jump! The biggest violation of all is the careless loss of life that could result from your not WANTING to have a pin check! Plus, if you kill me my mom will cry! People who try and give pin checks are IMHO doing you a big favor and being good skydivers. Where does it say you get a pin check only if you want one? Dom

If we only knew then what we know now! That's creepy if he really had something to do with it. I think I drank beers with him at the Bombshelter! I even paid Dom

QuoteThe coaches mentioned on the Perris PP site: CHRISTOPHER IRWIN SHANNON PILCHER DAN BRODSKY-CHENFELD PAT MCGOWAN KAI WOLF ANDY DELK __________________________________________________ These are 6 of the BEST 4 way and 8 way guys in the world. Just so everyone know who they are. Try looking at the 4 and 8 way results from this years nationals. The bottom 4 where on the 4 way and 8way teams from Perris. For someone to say that this camp will not be benifical is IMHO not very smart. Tunnel time AND real freefall in the same day! With 6 of the best flyers in the world! A founding member of Airspeed and the best of the rest! For Andy, Kai, Pat and Dan to train for just a few weeks before nationals and do what they did in 4 and 8 Way is awesome! Shannon and Chris aren't to shabby either! I will spend money to learn from these guys any day, any time! Well as long as I can come up with the money that is! BTW Emma this is not directed at you. More towards people who don't know these guys names! Dom

At least they didn't mention the world famous "Knifes Edge" Dom

ROTFLMAO!!!! Twice! Do you mind if I steal that? To bad! I'm gonna do it anyways! Dom

AWW! I signed up for 8 to 12 I am gonna have to switch and go with you Laurie girl! Dom

I had to kick it one more time. I had been dying to reply to him all week and couldn't get online and post. Sorry! Dom

Kate is alive and well. She is here in the office today. I think she may still be worried about orange kitty. Dom

Well said Mark! We need pilots, they don't need us! WE are cooler though! Dom

I very good friend of mine was the real DB Cooper. His name was Walt Yoho (RIP) and died in a plane crash shortly after take off in 1997. The guy was the spitting image of DB with out even trying! Dom

***Neighhhh... thump, thump... neigh, thump, thump. ___________________________________________________________ I am slow. What does that mean? Dom

We would have fun on the ground to! Dom

The winds have finally calmed down here and we can't get in the air cause of the evacuation! You guys get out i it gets crazy! Dom

YIKES! I gotta call my folks. I hope it leaves you guys alone! Dom

LOL! Distance race between you and I!!!!!!! Dom

We would have to much fun and then we would all get grounded. Dom

Yes we do! You made up your mind if you're coming for the camp yet? I got something for you then baby! Dom

Wait a sec................Ahhhhhhh got it. Here ya go JP you can have it back now! Dom