mjosparky

Mick, I think you are right. Sparky My idea of a fair fight is clubbing baby seals

Pay a packer. My idea of a fair fight is clubbing baby seals

The FAA's prime mission is to protect people and property on the surface from those fools that would fly in the sky. The method they developed to do this was to insure that the airplane was built and maintained in such a way so as to reduce the chance that it would fall from the sky and injure said people and property on the surface. At some point they were charged with the same responsibility for those that would jump from a plane. Being a bureaucracy, they followed the same path they were already using for aircraft. And it seems that way did not fit all that well. As has been said before, we are sort of the step child and they lack the time, interest and training to deal with us in a timely and efficient manner. We jump TSO'd gear because it is the law and we lack a better method of assuring safe equipment. Sparky My idea of a fair fight is clubbing baby seals

There is a thing called a Somat that does what you are talking about. It is used in parachute testing and can record up to 8 parameters. Thing like deployment load and duration, rate of descent, altitude, forward speed. One problem, they cost somewhere over $5,000. They need a power source and have a limited record window. Sparky My idea of a fair fight is clubbing baby seals

Man, that's harsh......... Harsh, but it seems to apply to way some people react to being held responsible for their actions or lack of action. Sparky My idea of a fair fight is clubbing baby seals

Your statement sounded like you were not aware that TSO standards apply to much more then parachutes. Since you were aware of his intent, what was your point in running down his method of presenting it. After all it is his thread. Outlining you views on the subject would have been more educational to those who do not fully understand the process. Sparky My idea of a fair fight is clubbing baby seals

Gloves will only offer so much protection, your rings can still get caught on something. Sparky My idea of a fair fight is clubbing baby seals

Shh! Most jumpers don't know that and don't want to hear it. In any case they are not 20 + years old and may come from the acid mesh era. Sparky My idea of a fair fight is clubbing baby seals

There are TSO's that apply to things other then parachutes/HC system. I believe he was referring to TOS-C23 and its variants. It is the only one that does not apply to part of an aircraft. These are just a few, it goes to TSO-C153: TSO-C1A Cargo Baggage Compartment Smoke Detection Instruments TSO-C1B Cargo Baggage Compartment Smoke Detection Instruments TSO-C1C CARGO COMPARTMENT FIRE DETECTION INSTRUMENTS TSO-C2 Airspeed Instruments TSO-C2A Airspeed Instruments TSO-C2B Airspeed Instruments TSO-C2C Airspeed Instruments TSO-C2D Airspeed Instruments TSO-C3 Turn And Slip Instrument TSO-C3A Turn And Slip Instrument TSO-C3B Turn And Slip Instrument TSO-C3C Turn And Slip Instrument TSO-C3D Turn And Slip Instrument TSO-C4 Bank And Pitch Instruments TSO-C4B Bank And Pitch Instruments TSO-C4C AIRSPEED INSTRUMENTS TSO-C5 Direction Instrument, Nonmagnetic, Gyro-Stabilized Type (Directional Gyro) TSO-C5B Direction Instrument, Nonmagnetic, Gyro-Stabilized Type (Directional Gyro) TSO-C5C Direction Instrument, Nonmagnetic, Gyro-Stabilized Type (Directional Gyro) TSO-C5D Direction Instrument, Non-Magnetic (Gyroscopically Stabilized) TSO-C5E Direction Instrument, Non-Magnetic (Gyroscopically Stabilized) TSO-C6 Direction Instrument, Magnetic (Gyro-Stabilized Type) TSO-C6A Direction Instrument, Magnetic (Gyro-Stabilized Type) TSO-C6B Direction Instrument, Magnetic (Gyro-Stabilized Type) TSO-C6C Direction Instrument, Magnetic (Gyroscopically Stabilized) TSO-C6D Direction Instrument, Magnetic (Gyroscopically Stabilized) TSO-C7 Direction Instrument, Magnetic Non-Stabilized Type (Magnetic Compass) TSO-C7B Direction Instrument, Magnetic Non-Stabilized Type (Magnetic Compass) TSO-C7C Direction Instrument, Magnetic Non-Stabilized Type (Magnetic Compass) TSO-C7D DIRECTION INSTRUMENT, MAGNETIC NON-STABILIZED TYPE (MAGNETIC COMPASS) TSO-C7D Direction Instrument, Magnetic Non-Stabilized Type (Magnetic Compass) TSO-C8 Vertical Velocity Instruments (Rate-Of-Climb) TSO-C8A Vertical Velocity Instruments (Rate-Of-Climb) TSO-C8B Vertical Velocity Instruments (Rate-Of-Climb) TSO-C8C Vertical Velocity Instruments (Rate-Of-Climb) TSO-C8D Vertical Velocity Instruments (Rate-Of-Climb) TSO-C9 Automatic Pilots TSO-C9A Automatic Pilots TSO-C9B Automatic Pilots TSO-C9C Automatic Pilots TSO-C10 Aircraft Altimeter, Pressure Actuated, Sensitive Type TSO-C10A Altimeter, Pressure Actuated, Sensitive Type TSO-C10B Altimeter, Pressure Actuated, Sensitive Type TSO-C11 Fire Detectors (Thermal Sensing And Flame Contact) TSO-C11A Fire Detectors (Thermal Sensing And Flame Contact) TSO-C11B Fire Detectors (Thermal Sensing And Flame Contact) TSO-C11D Powerplant Fire Detection Instruments (Thermal And Flame Contact Types) TSO-C11E Powerplant Fire Detection Instruments (Thermal And Flame Contact Types) TSO-C12 Life Rafts (Twin Tube) TSO-C12A Life Rafts (Twin Tube) TSO-C12B Life Rafts (Twin Tube) TSO-C12C Life Rafts (Twin Tube) TSO-C13 Life Preservers TSO-C13C Life Preservers TSO-C13D Life Preservers TSO-C13E Life Preservers TSO-C13F Life Preservers TSO-C14A Aircraft Fabric, Intermediate Grade TSO-C15 Aircraft Fabric, Grade A External Covering Material TSO-C15A Aircraft Fabric, Grade A External Covering Material TSO-C15C Aircraft Fabric, Grade A External Covering Material TSO-C16 Air-Speed Tubes (Electrically Heated) TSO-C16 AIRSPEED TUBES (ELECTRICALLY HEATED) TSO-C19 Portable Water-Solution Type Fire Extinguishers TSO-C19B Portable Water-Solution Type Fire Extinguishers TSO-C20 Combustion Heaters TSO-C21 Special Aircraft Turnbuckle Assemblies And/Or Turnbuckle Safetying Devices TSO-C21A Special Aircraft Turnbuckle Assemblies And/Or Turnbuckle Safetying Devices TSO-C21B Special Aircraft Turnbuckle Assemblies And/Or Turnbuckle Safetying Devices TSO-C22 Safety Belts TSO-C22A Safety Belts TSO-C22B Safety Belts TSO-C22C Safety Belts TSO-C22D Safety Belts TSO-C22E Safety Belts TSO-C22F Safety Belts TSO-C22G Safety Belts TSO-C23 Personnel Parachutes Assemblies TSO-C23B Personnel Parachutes Assemblies TSO-C23c Personnel Parachutes Assemblies TSO-C23D PERSONNEL PARACHUTE ASSEMBLIES TSO-C25 Aircraft Seats And Berths (Type I Transport, 6G Forward Load) TSO-C25A Aircraft Seats And Berths (Type I Transport, 6G Forward Load) TSO-C26 Aircraft Wheels And Brakes TSO-C26A Aircraft Wheels And Brakes TSO-C26B Aircraft Wheels And Wheel-Brake Assemblies With Addendum I TSO-C26C Aircraft Wheels And Wheel-Brake Assemblies With Addendum I TSO-C26C AIRCRAFT WHEELS AND WHEEL-BRAKE ASSEMBLIES, WITH ADDENDUM I My idea of a fair fight is clubbing baby seals

There seems to be several things about this tail that do not ring true. Sparky My idea of a fair fight is clubbing baby seals

They may not be directly out to kill you, but never underestimate the corners people will cut while under the influence of greed. Then there's a ton of ideas that "looked good on paper". As a rigger, I've seen examples from both categories. Some kind of regulation is needed. -Blind You seem to have a very low opinion of gear manufactures. I have found over the years that most do far more then is required to assure that the gear they produce is safe. The tough part is making it skydiver proof. Sparky My idea of a fair fight is clubbing baby seals

I agree, they should not be used on smaller, high performance canopies. But I was addressing the fact that they work well and are safe for H&P jumps. Sparky My idea of a fair fight is clubbing baby seals

Test jumping a canopy with out a second reserve is not a good idea. (especially with 36 jumps) Without knowing the history of this canopy, there is no way of knowing what will happen. Sparky My idea of a fair fight is clubbing baby seals

Rob is right. A properly made bungee PC will open just find down to speeds of about 40/45 mph. This myth that they do not work on H&P's is just that, a myth. I have used them on H&P exits out of a Wilga at 50 mph on demos. How do you "cock" a bungee PC? Sparky My idea of a fair fight is clubbing baby seals

Bill, There has been a rule against pulling at 1600 feet since I started jumping. When I was S&TA at Perris, opening at that altitude would in most cases be a grounding. 1600 feet is just about half of the altitude an "A" lic. is required to be open and 900 feet below that of a "B" lic. "C" and "D" lic. holders would only be 400 feet low, but they should know better. I feel that anytime a cypres fires it is a big deal and if the jumper was not just seconds from death, he/she were closer then they could ever dream. At 1000 feet you have about 5 sec. to impact if you do nothing. But then take away 2 of those sec. because by then it is too late to do anything. jmo Sparky My idea of a fair fight is clubbing baby seals

FXC also makes a simulator. FXC Simulator Sparky My idea of a fair fight is clubbing baby seals

PM sent. Sparky My idea of a fair fight is clubbing baby seals

AS-8015B will continue to be the standard for TSO-C23d for some time. It will take the FAA at least a year, once accepted, to change. AS-8015B was issued 7 July 1992 but TSO-C23d did not take effect until 1 June 1994. Sparky My idea of a fair fight is clubbing baby seals

Bill, I take it you were using a PC made of a lopo type material? With a 27" ZP PC, I maxed out a 100 pound scale at just over 95 mph. Sparky My idea of a fair fight is clubbing baby seals

Thanks for all the pictures Dave. In 1982, at Oshkosh, I got a ride in this one. Stagger Wing Sparky My idea of a fair fight is clubbing baby seals

Hey Mick, Any paperwork that is time consuming is complicated to me. Sparky My idea of a fair fight is clubbing baby seals

The sexiest (sp?) biplane EVER was and is the Stagger Wing Beech. (and it carries 4) Sparky My idea of a fair fight is clubbing baby seals

If a team or individual was disqualified in any other sport or competition, would they be allowed to continue participation in the competition? Would competing team have a problem with sharing the plane with a load of fun jumpers, ie non competitors? Just a thought. Sparky My idea of a fair fight is clubbing baby seals

Don't laugh, Bill will probably make the call just for grins. Sparky My idea of a fair fight is clubbing baby seals

I would like to be there and watch when this P/U truck is driven at 100 to 200 mph with a PC in tow. The average hand deploy PC, at terminal, arould 120 +/- will produce over 100 pounds of drag. I not as detailed at you asked for but that is all I have tested to. Sparky My idea of a fair fight is clubbing baby seals