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Ok the face side in the picture has no lens hole visible. is that correct???? Do you have pics with the camera in the glove showing the lens angle??? Uncle/GrandPapa Whit Unico Rodriguez # 245 Muff Brother # 2421

Just looking at the glove It appears you have it pointing the camera away from the jumper which would make it hard to video ones self or a tandem. For tandem fingers being 0 it should point 17 to 22 this allows for easy and effective aiming and the best variety of shots. Just my 2 cents.... also send me some info on the camera I Building 2 new video setups for Tandem handycam this season and want to include Stills. Uncle/GrandPapa Whit Unico Rodriguez # 245 Muff Brother # 2421

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Weenie. +1 Remember how you used to get that feeling in your stomach when you first started jumping????? Ride front without chicken handles when you want to feel it again...... Especially with someone you don't know.........on their first Tandem ................Thats when you learn weather or not you trust your own teaching skills and judgement.....LOL Uncle/GrandPapa Whit Unico Rodriguez # 245 Muff Brother # 2421

+1 You will see this ( If they do not have enough respect and patients to listen and learn to what YOU are instructing them in they will hardly respect the job and all it entails.) Also remember its your course and your standards. You can require anything with in reason above the manufactures requirements. I like references for students I am not familiar with. From reputable DZO's or S&TA's just the same as you provided before being excepted into the TE course. Even if they have ridden front before Take those you do not know as a passenger to get some idea of how they interact and their stress LVL. This is a great way to assess how they perceive their own skills. A student that acts like they know it all will be a TI who thinks they know it all. The skydivers you turn into Tandem Instructors will be a reflection on you and you will always look around to see if they are performing as they should. Congratulations on your achievement. Just my 2 cents. Uncle/GrandPapa Whit Unico Rodriguez # 245 Muff Brother # 2421

Damn it Chris I told you to stop talking about me on DZ.com...... but honestly folks she aint my girlfriend just some chick I tried to bang using the ole No shit there I was stories we all make up........ Ok ok ok I really am going to make a skydive this year if my ass heals ( freakin freasly waxed kitchen floor) and I find a DZ that will let me ................. Uncle/GrandPapa Whit Unico Rodriguez # 245 Muff Brother # 2421

his result was as we all hope for ( successful ) but I beg to differ with your opinion that there was any evaluation beyond my steering line is broken..(there may have been but it was not clearly stated in his OP)..... and at 3300 feet a full assessment could be done if panic does not take control resulting in a knee jerk reaction. They have killed many that could have been saved. Look at the guy who cut away from a good canopy after a midair collision to his body. Not analyzing the situation is as bad as doing the wrong thing in my opinion and you can make up what ever you want if you get lucky and live but not if you are wrong and die........ Uncle/GrandPapa Whit Unico Rodriguez # 245 Muff Brother # 2421

Thanks for getting back to the discussion at hand. I agree that once you become extremely proficient at one or the other it is possible to become proficient at both and switch between the 2 during the work day. What I see very often these days is instructors who have less than 500 at either trying to switch between the 2 and missing little thing in both every time and that should never happen. It is hard enough to be really good at 1 or the other all the time when just learning and being good at both all the time while learning is impossible and not worth the bennifit of getting more loads in the air. This is profiteering at its worst for AFF and Tandem. I see lots of BS here about tandem mills and such but it is no diffirent than putting students with an AFF I or TI who is pushed to their limit and switching hats faster than a starlet in a Gangbang ... Most new instructors are not going to say hey I need a break... because they have seen others or replaced those who did... Dzo;s need to slow down and allow the needed time for proper training and instructor preporation for every training skydive and new instructors should have limits concerning how many hats they wear until they show complete proficiency in their discipline. Uncle/GrandPapa Whit Unico Rodriguez # 245 Muff Brother # 2421

I am always open to new and better techniques and would love your thoughts on how my approach and attitude to tandems will change once I have an AFF rating and experience. Also how those change manifest themselves because of the AFF rating. I agree that flying skills for AFF are much greater on most jumps but safety procedures and mental processing in extreme situations during tandem sky dives far exceed those needed for aff because of the amount of undetermined emergency situations possible during tandem sky dives and the complexity of tandem systems. Again this is my opinion and I respect yous thoughts on the topic. Uncle/GrandPapa Whit Unico Rodriguez # 245 Muff Brother # 2421

the harness was properly applied. Bo's friends helped MG move him to the tailgate by lifting his weight as mike walked and threw the exit.While he was carried to the door by his pants they were sliding down toward his knees and the legstraps along with them.Even taping the legstraps to his pants would not have prevented this. securing the laterals tighter and positioning the hip junctions behind the hips ( this is contrary to UPT recommended placement but would have limited the harness forward movement down Bo's thighs) and correctly lifting by the harness instead of his legs all may have prevented his ejection in my opinion. The decision to not secure Bo into the harness as in his first tandem with MG was made by both Bo and MG after Bo shared that desire and they discussed it. Considering Bo's handicaps and his request not to be secured as in the first jump extra precautions were needed but not foreseen or anticipated. also if since you have viewed the video you may have realized as I did that utilizing as mush free fall to reposition BO in the harness along with hooking his knees may have given him a better chance at remaining in the harness but mike did acted as he and every TI are taught and only after the fact could that be determined. Yes it was a horrible accident that can be prevented in the future and learning from the mistakes is important. I know AFF I's DZO's, riggers, TI.s and regular skydivers who have directly been involved in incidents all over the world who are among the very best in the world today because they have learned lessons no one wants to learn and we all learn from their failures. All the opinions concerning this incident are solely mine and do not come from any communications with MG or UPT (RWS). Uncle/GrandPapa Whit Unico Rodriguez # 245 Muff Brother # 2421

TK thanks for speaking up and helping keep skydiver informed. I would like to comment briefly on MG, not that he needs my voice. He has earned the right to be a TM and S&TA threw his actions since the accident in my opinion. There is nothing he can do to change what happened but he is active in preventing future incidents. He spoke candidly about his mistakes and their consequence with my TI candidates during my last course at the Farm. His sincerity impacted their attitudes and perceptions toward Tandems more than anything I could have said. I am certain he approaches S&TA duties the same. Also it should be clear the Sigma harness was fitted correctly, the incident manifested itself in such a way that in hindsight is easy to prevent but until the moment it happened was an easy oversight for any seasoned TI under the specific circumstances. JM2C Uncle/GrandPapa Whit Unico Rodriguez # 245 Muff Brother # 2421

Steve I respect your opinion but to me what you are saying is like saying you need to learn to drive an automatic before you learn to drive a standard..it does not compute to becoming a better standard driver. Respect comes from being good at what you do not how many ratings you have. I agree that coaching and teaching skills need to be cultivated after safe skydiving practices need to be second nature before attaining any instructor rating. I also agree that the minimum jump numbers could go up to 1000 but for both AFF and Tandem. The 2 AFF and Tandem are completely different animals and I would much rather see people dedicate their efforts to one or the other for at least another 500 to 1000 to develop a professional skill level before trying to become a professional at both. I do not have nor do I want an AFF rating. I love Tandem and know having an AFF rating would not make me a better Tandem Master. I know many AFF I's who are awesome but just dont seem 100% on tandems. Switching hats many times during the day is an accepted practice but that does not make it the best choice or safest. edit; Wanted to add that if a TI must maintain manufactures currency requirements and can maintain their rating with them yearly as I do if they choose or the DZ requires them to.. Uncle/GrandPapa Whit Unico Rodriguez # 245 Muff Brother # 2421

I started jumping in 1996. Since 96 there have been 2 incidents that I remember of skydivers being ejected from their rig during opening because they failed to correctly secure their chest strap. This is very easy to do and that is why we all should be checking ourselves and everyone else while gearing up, on the way to the plane, climb to altitude and once again just prior to exit. At around 80 jumps I found myself in freefall with my chest strap beating me in the face. (Thank goodness) other wise I would not have know I had a problem until too late. I routed the chest strap while in freefall and am here to tell it... now I constantly check mine and everyone elses.... The first incident 7/26/1998 Gonzalez, LA MAL,BIZ 20 26 ?/? Description: The deceased was making a 2-way RW jump from 14,000, pulled high at about 5000 and fell from the harness during opening shock. She had failed to route her chest strap correctly. Lessons:Check your gear. My chest strap get's checked at least three times, and I always look at other people's when in the airplane. The second incident 8/19/2000 Lodi, CA BIZ 26 650 ?/? Description: The deceased forgot to connect her chest strap, and slipped mostly out of her harness 5,000' after exit, while in a head-down position. While she still had a hold of the rig with her legs, she was unable to get back into the harness before deploying and was unable to hang on during opening. Lessons:This incident illustrates how important it is to check chest/leg straps, pins, and handles before exiting the aircraft. Uncle/GrandPapa Whit Unico Rodriguez # 245 Muff Brother # 2421

This is really the goal isnt it giving the student\passenger a SAFE enjoyable experience that may bring them back in the future. First and most importantly safety and if anyone here thinks climbing out holding onto the strut and doing a poised exit is safe and has less safety concerns than say leaving the laterals unhooked for landing??????????? I would love to hear your arguments for a poised exit being more safe than an exit from the door. Also why is a poised exit more productive than exit from the door??? Uncle/GrandPapa Whit Unico Rodriguez # 245 Muff Brother # 2421

duh huh welll uhhhhhhhhh..... I don't know there mister big shot....... seems to me as I remember from one of them there training tandems even though the student gives the count, the dive flow starts when the student gets a thumbs up from the TI once the drogue has been set this does not have any concern for the exit type or climb out.............since there is no way for the student to simulate a real exit attached to the front of a TI......... of course that is just my experience .... Man there are so many people with condescending responses to the reply s here and I noticed that those who are so condescending never give their experience..... Uncle/GrandPapa Whit Unico Rodriguez # 245 Muff Brother # 2421

Thats one big ass SKY HOOK in that picture... Uncle/GrandPapa Whit Unico Rodriguez # 245 Muff Brother # 2421

Thats the reason poised exits are not recommended from Cessna's any more, just like not backing out of side door aircraft is you put the drogue into the airflow before you intend to exit the aircraft this has great potential for disaster. As we all know moving around in a Cessna after hookup is a bit like a bull in a china shop. If the drogue or bridle catch something or even the door after you have checked it your going to be in a pickle. Once you reach out the door to position yourself and student on the strut it is impossible to check and manage the drogue until completing your exit. If I am working with anyone who has to do poised exits I always leave first...... take tooooooo long and toooooo dangerous for me... Uncle/GrandPapa Whit Unico Rodriguez # 245 Muff Brother # 2421

Very well putt. Also I know 2 ex TI's who will never walk the same because students stepped on their ankle during landing. I was present for one and it was nasty and directly related to not being able to step aside from the students feet. The laterals were pulling him hip to hip right into the incident. I do not leave my laterals loose I connect them to the passenger harness it takes a little getting used to on the sigma but once my hands were familiar with the plastic clip on the front it became simple. Uncle/GrandPapa Whit Unico Rodriguez # 245 Muff Brother # 2421

There is a much greater chance of the lowers b3ing attached on landing causing injury than this high pivot point causing injury due to canopy collision, bouncing over the tandem on landing or any other scenario that has been played out on this thread. The reason the laterals are unhooked in the first place is so they can be stretched all the way out to give maximum agility at landing time. I see no diferance in hooking them to the student harness as far as time and effort and there they will restrict the instructor even less during landing. Would this prevent enough injuries to justify the practice? I can say from my experience it does maybe not from yours. That is why we make our own choices concerning these type decisions. I think this is far less of a concern than lets say TI's leaving the laterals too loose during exit and freefall where they have a specific purpose and not some perceived one. I see way to many TI's who dont quite get the concept of side-spin phenomenon or they just dont think it can happen to them. Uncle/GrandPapa Whit Unico Rodriguez # 245 Muff Brother # 2421

Very well said Skydog........ Some people do things because they are told to and that is great when learning but at some point they need to be able to justify continuing those practices. Experience creates understanding and improvement in procedures both overall and personnel. Well for some and others will be drones their whole life doing what they were shown and never improving or adjusting their approach for varying conditions and situations. I have seen more injuries on landing because the laterals were attached than not and it only takes a little tension in the wrong direction to cause injury. It almost seems like some are saying if they have the laterals connected nothing will happen to them or their passenger on landing. When rotters or winds cause sudden and sever drops on landing having the most mobility gives me more options and control. Uncle/GrandPapa Whit Unico Rodriguez # 245 Muff Brother # 2421

PLease show me where I said any thing of the sort. A question was asked and I answered. Giving my experiences and practices. I don't have any concern for you or your high minded interjection on this subject. What I do have is practical experience and 100% concern for my students safety and well being. My biggest concern on every tandem is that I might some how fail in my responsibility to protect my student at any cost. These again are your words not mine. It is amazing how you seem to think you have the answers but offer nothing but rhetorical BS to I assume make yourself feel enlightened and important?????? I have never had a student slide out in front of me on landing. Maybe you should have slid those in????If we are both sitting I don't see that happening but you seem to know so much more about it please let me know the details. Again your words not mine. I am not awair of 1 single instance of a canopy spontaneously ripping after stable flight and control ability checks. That does not mean it wont happen and as I said I am ready to control my students body at any time for any reason. I am amazed that you unhooked the laterals loosened them and re hooked them before you did a control check to realize you had a problem with your canopy. I guess you were lucky you hooked the laterals back up. Again your words. The truth is I was taught to release the laterals, loosen them and reattach them. I was also told it was my choice once I was comfortable to attach them to the front if I chose to but never leave them hanging. My TE did not re attach them to the rings or the harness. If you don't know how having my feet and knee's outside and up enhance my ability to control landings then you may need more experience before you open your mouth and share your ignorance. There was no lesson in my first post but here is one for you. I place my feet and legs well outside my students and have plenty of mobility for controlling the moment of touchdown with my feet. Maybe your students are too low in their harness??? I chose to slide in most of my landings because I tend to jump in gusty locations and I can take the impact better when I get dropped out if my student has their feet up and out of harms way. I would much rather have no connection at my waist if my foot caught a hole or hill or anything else. folding 2 bodies in half and all that pressure on a leg could be and has been really bad when those body's were restricted at the waist. The scary thing is thinking because you fallow the recommended guidelines you know what you are doing. I know IT can happen to me and I make choices every day toward preventing IT. What ever IT is I hope to be prepared. Through instruction and personal experience we all make decisions that affect outcomes not yet known. I know why I do what I do. Why do you do what you do?????? go be mad at something else for a while Chris Uncle/GrandPapa Whit Unico Rodriguez # 245 Muff Brother # 2421

I was taught to loosen the laterals and reconnect them. I teach loosen the laterals and reconnect them. That said after seeing more than a few TI's struggle on landing because of the restricted lower body movement I now relaese them and connect them to the harness,on front with /sigma and the back with Strong after a complete canopy control check including a couple of hard turns and full flairs. It allows me to get my knees and feet well up and outside the passengers body for landing allowing me to protect my body and theirs during difficult landings. As for canopy wraps I will avoid them at all cost but am aware of and prepared to control my passengers body at all times. I saw BoB Holler flip a passenger threw the harness with the lowers attached in Tallahassee when I had 60 or so tandems. By the way I have 4372 tandems and 0 injuries to speak of. I think some of that is related to mobility during landing. My rule is dont flip over the student on landing and I slide more than I stand. Uncle/GrandPapa Whit Unico Rodriguez # 245 Muff Brother # 2421

This guy is not flying anything he is so scared he is going to loose the passenger he is just tumbling from the plane wrapped around them and hoping to find a good rotational point to toss the drogue.......I know he is placing every passenger he takes into danger and the DZO at Superior needs to find other Instructors before putting 1 more student up with this TI......... Is that too hard for some of you..........?? let the drogue get between him and a passenger and then let me know..... I would sit this guy down and tell him to find another job................ At 1000 tandems any TI should have some sort of exit control now anyone can have a bad exit or 2 but there is no reason for deploying the drogue upside down and on his side .............. Uncle/GrandPapa Whit Unico Rodriguez # 245 Muff Brother # 2421

I use a frap hats when weather requires it for myself and mt students. Otherwise I do not wear one or require my student to wear one. I always make the option available to them, also well I have disposable earplugs for those who want them. I am not sure what purpose a helmet would serve me other than being a distraction after opening and restricting my view and the movement of my head during an malfunction. With a passenger in front movement is restricted enough that I need all the head movement possible when dealing with a malfunction. That and Being able to communicate clearly with my passengers while under canopy and not having the distraction of adjusting or removing a helmet after opening cancel the minimal safety a helmet could provide me on exit. In my opinion. Ears,,,, I have only had problems on my sport rig. I do wear a helmet on sport jumps because I see the value it provides me. Uncle/GrandPapa Whit Unico Rodriguez # 245 Muff Brother # 2421

BSBD THANK YOU FOR YOUR SACRIFICE Uncle/GrandPapa Whit Unico Rodriguez # 245 Muff Brother # 2421