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*fwap* NO....that would mean peace and harmony and what fun is there in that.

shut up...I resemble that remark....my new to me Stiletto 97 was use for the 2 out test. All I see from the ground is canopies spinning....then chop, ok Derek under pretty green reserve and my new baby and that pink monster are all tangled together still spinning and flying who knows where.....Hop in the car and go chasing my main which just had to land in some brush. My poor poor baby.....I haven't even got to cut it away myself and the bf took it out to chop it. *pout*

*hugs* It's ok pookie bear....Cyndi and I still luv you..... Can we jump your 60 now??? Wait on the 2 out thread you said you would jump any combo....ummm....how about your 60 and my 97.....I'll even be nice and offer to pack your pretty green reserve.

I'm puting my money on hitting turbulance since it was on the downwind side of the campground. The wind wasn't high, since it was sunset load, but there was still a breeze, this was Iowa after all.

From what I could tell a little of both, flying the reserve but only to keep it heading strait. The problem was that the main was out flying the reserve it was obvious everyone could see that. It would surge ahead, collapse, re-inflate, do it over again. So you are saying if she would have been hanging on the rear risers trying to slow the canopy down everything would have been ok???? Maybe, maybe not. Most people when they have that big of a canopy difference also have a main that is elliptical. Ellipticals can act very unpredictable when recovering from a stall. So her reserve was flying at or pretty close to the stall point (especially since the brakes were probably stowed) of the main which meant that canopy was having trouble keeping pressurized. Think about how your PD190 acted when you used to fly around at the stall point to learn your canopy. Now increase your wing loading and change it to a stiletto. Now that it is stalled let the toggles back up quickly....YIKES!! That is pretty much what was happening. Now if you are flying two squares, I will agree that they would probably be easier to control and keep them flying nice. She was lucky though, it didn't happen higher where she wouldn't have survived the fall. She was unlucky cause she froze/panicked/made a bad decision up high and chose to stay in that configuration. This really is one of those things that you have to decide on based on your gear, I'm perfectly fine with both my crossfire 104 and my PD 113 main both being out as long as they seem to be playing nice. My friend Cyndi just got a smaller rig and reserve cause she knew her PD143 would not play nice with her stiletto 97. There are also people who choose to have large reserves with tiny mains, which is why Mirage has 2 containers made exactly for that. A lot of decisions such as what will I do if this happens or that happens needs to be made on the ground, cause adrenaline really can mess with our thought processes. More than likely when that girl got her smaller main she never re-evaluated her procedures on what she would do, she just went with what she was probably taught as a student.

actually it isn't an uneducated guess.....I've seen what can happen when a much larger reserve and a smaller main are out at the same time playing together. from my post in gear and rigging --------------------------------------------------------------- Last year at couch I actually saw where the large reserve with a small main was a problem. I don't know the sizes of the canopies, but the girl had 2 out, and it looked like a 150 reserve and about a 100 main. Give or take the sizes could have been bigger or smaller Well the whole time I was watching it the tiny main was dancing around the reserve, not really flying at all, just jumping and twisting around. At about 20-30 ft (I couldn't quite tell from my angle) the main decided it was done playing nice and wrapped it self around the reserve which up until this time was flying just fine, strait and level. She ended up with a main reserve entanglement and a ride in a ambulance pretty badly messed up. -------------------------------------------------------- She opted to stay with 2 out and due to the large difference in sizes of the canopys it didn't work out so well.

Dave check out skypimp, it's a guy out of San Marcos who makes them. Nick out at Skydive Houston has a FF camera one, and my friend Susan has just a normal FF one. She loves it, very cumfy and both of thier paint jobs are awsome. Kelli

damn boy....it looks like you are floating!!!!

It seems the one thing you are missing is that a lot of us are in this sport not only for the jumping, but the socializing. That is what the Talk Back forum is all about. Talk back reminds me if sitting around the bonfire until 2-3 in the morning talking and laughing with friends. Also I don't know how many times huge debates of this or that came up. Sometimes yes there was yelling, sometimes there wasn't, but the thing is the next morning we all still liked each other and ran out to the plane. Not everyone is going to agree on this or that, what is best what is worst, but I've learned so much in the last 3 years just sitting around the bonfire. That is the same here, so you don't like a certain topic, click the next button or the back button, it's not like you are actually stuck at the bonfire forced to listen to the DZO go on once again about how great that last swoop of the day on the sunset load was. Although hearing everyone start ribbing him about it is what made it feel like family. So we are one big dysfunctional family, I wouldn't change it for the world!!!!! I sit here reading stupid posts laughing, crying, getting mad, but it feels like each and everyone of you is right here in this office with me (whether I like it or not). I mean why do people drive past big turbine DZs to go and jump at Cessna ones????? It's the people, the family. So I say debate on, sometime the most interesting things come out in debates. Ok so some people just go on and on about their product and how every other one is bad, well like I said just hit the next button. I for one will stay her laughing and learing. Kelli

"Wearing black with blue pinstripes...."

Hey tiff when did you change your name to Amy???

Hey that's a piper cub....I got to jump out of one of those things, except I was wearing clothes.

How about now?

Close they are the weekend after laybor day.

hahahahahaha.....you so don't know Derek. Actually I need to get him back on starting his canopy school...that should keep him busy.

Quoting Derek.... No

no no no....Cyndi is troublemaker #1

Last year at couch I actually saw where the large reserve with a small main was a problem. I don't know the sizes of the canopies, but the girl had 2 out, and it looked like a 150 reserve and about a 100 main. Give or take the sizes could have been bigger or smaller Well the whole time I was watching it the tiny main was dancing around the reserve, not really flying at all, just jumping and twisting around. At about 20-30 ft (I couldn't quite tell from my angle) the main decided it was done playing nice and wrapped it self around the reserve which up until this time was flying just fine, strait and level. She ended up with a main reserve entanglement and a ride in a ambulance pretty badly messed up. I guess you can debate she should have cut away, or whatever, but the fact was she opted to stay with 2 out and due to the large difference in sizes of the canopys it didn't work out so well.

No.....beer bellys don't count as firm.

well if I was a pilot I would want to see nice firm flat tummys..... Mmmmm...yummy....drool......

yeah, but you'll be getting that whoopin from Derek instead of us now

Oh what was I thinking you never cause trouble.... [whisper]Your halo is falling off again[/whisper] So Derek......can we jump it....... Now?

Actually this has been a running joke ever since I started dating Derek. Cyndi and I ask if we can jump his canopy he says no, we try and convince him, he says no, we badger him, he says no, we keep it up, he either threatens us or tell someone else to tell us no.

you are.... I am....Actually Derek, spank Cyndi...this was all her idea!!!!

but but but but...... .....how 'bout now?