Ron

I understand your point...And for the LAST time (since it seems to be a waste of my time) I will say my opinion one more time to you about it. You seem to think that a 5% budget cut will cause great damage...I don't. You seem to think that ALL other programs should be cut before the EPA...I don't. You seem to think the EPA is the bestest thing the whole darn world.....I don't. You seem to think that we area ll gonna die if the EPA has to cut 5% of its budget...I don't and if you notice in 2000 the EPA's budget was the same as the this years budget...We made it to 2005 so I have some proof to back my claims that the world will not stop if the EPA has to cut 5%. We will have to wait to see if the world stops to prove your point. Again, one last time...you seem to think a 5% budget cut will doom all of humanity to death by noxious fumes.... I don't. You are running around like Chicken little with no proof, no evidence, just an emotional argument...I have shown how Business have done the same thing time after time and they have not gone bankrupt. No, I just don't agree that the world is gonna end if the EPA has to buy discount donuts. You are free to continue to run around like chicken little crying about how the world is gonna end if you like. I don't agree. "No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334

Me too. Or else "No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334

This from a guy that drives a Honda, and bitches about the trade deficit. That folks is irony. I would like to think, but it seems most Americans can't live without about 6-8 grand in Credit Card Debt....So many can't. And lets not forget the folks on welfare...You would think they could survive without sucking on the Government tit....But you seem to think they must. Well you wish that WalMart would pay 100 an hour and go bankrupt. If you want all the folks that work for and invest in WalMart to lose their jobs/investments, by all means demand that WalMart pay better than the market demands... See if the market will pay better for the type of work an average WalMart EE does then they would get better. But those types of jobs don't tend to pay enough for a family of 4 to live off of...So what is wrong with the company trying to help its EE's? If you have a problem with it maybe you should bitch about how the Welfare system is abused....But you will never do that its more fun to slam a Company that provides jobs and frankly a pretty good ROI. You'd rather they go bankrupt. And all the folks lose their jobs and investors lose money. If US workers and Companies do a better job of providing goods and services then I will tend to buy domestic products...But as my Ford GT is a piece of Crap my next car looks like a BMW, or Infinity. OK, so cut the DoD's toilet budget some. See I am not screaming that all hell is gonna break lose over 5%...you are. Hey, how about you cut BOTH? I just find it funny you are willing to cut like hell one thing but cry about a small cut in something else. "No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334

Oh, so YOUR sacred cow is special and eveyone elses needs to go first. What makes you right? Feel free you seem to think I don't get your point...OK whatever, you seem to be missing mine. A 5% budget cut will not turn our drinking water in crude oil. A 5% budget cut could be absolved by simply using one vendor for all office supplies and thereby getting a discount rate on ALL office supplies. Feel free to think that 5% will mean the end of the world, but in reality you are being obtuse. For exapmle my company did something along these lines and savings are estimated at $7.81 MM, with reduced inventory carrying costs. And that was just for EXTERNAL supplies. I can't find the number for the savings of Internal office supplies. Ok, no problem. By why do they have to go first? [sarcasim]What Defense is not important to you? You want our young men to die when we cut the DoD's budget? How can you send our young boys to die without the needed supplies to survive? Don't you know that the terrorists will destroy America if you cut the DoD's budget? What are you from Al Quedia? why don't you just go out and shoot an American soldier yourself![/sarcasim] See how foolish that is? You keep thinking that the EPa will fold if you make them cut 5% out....I think they will make adjustments and the programs you love so much (can you name 5?...No Googleing) will be fine. We don't need NASA. We need the FAA. But I guess you don't mind the idea of planes flying around without any guidence...OMG the mass confusion and death that all those planes will casue when the 5% budget cut makes the planes fall out of the sky like rain...Oh the horror. See how silly your argument sounds? 5% is nothing to cut... "No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334

No, I am saying I don't share your attitude that a 5% reduction in budget will cause the air to turn to garbage. You think that the EPA can't cut 5% off of its budget without the ground opening up and Satan rising up from the depths of Hell to ruin the world. I simply think they will not order the cool sticky notes and colored paper clips, and use the cheaper ones. "No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334

No, but I would spend the 10 cents more at a store that I respected....But then again, I have the 10 cents to spare. Someone who does not have the extra income I would hope would try to save the 10 cents. But then again I am for the free market economy...If you want to support such a store that applauds the terrorists...Then thats your right...Cool thing about a free country huh?...I'll shop elsewhere since I can. The company is not having a "jobshare" with the welfare system. They pay a wage. If that wage is not enough to support a family, then the family needs to do something about it. It would be wrong and stupid to expect the company to rase the wage just to "be nice". If you don't make enough at Walmart and Kmart pays more...go work at Kmart. Only a Socialist expects the company to pay a higer wage than the market can bear. What a stupid way to run a company, pay a high wage and go out of business. I guess you wish more companies ran themselves like the airlines seem to do? Again your lack of knowledge about the military is quite clear. But Im OK with not having KK Donuts in the mess hall...I didn't eat them often when I was in....Have you ever even been in a mess? Nice way to try and cover your hypocrisy. Again you demand budget cuts until your sacred cow is on the table. You clearly have no idea how to run a business. A 5% budget cut is not something that should cause you to run around like Chicken Little claiming the sky is falling. "No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334

People have to fly to continue to earn a living. Others have to travel for work. See the funny thing is you claim that the Government is to big and poorly run, but when YOUR program gets cut its the wrong one. If you cut the FAA someone would think it was the wrong plan to cut. Everyone has plans they want cut...And no one wants their favorite plan cut. Your opinion. I think the DOD is a big deal, Bob thinks the FAA is the sacred cow. You seem to thinka 5% reduction in budget is going to do more than make them buy recycled paper and not cater the staff meetings. The important programs will survive since they are important...The dumb programs will be cut. "No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334

You also buy good products fairly cheaply. As a consumer I tend to try and get the most for my money. I would think you would like that. But whats wrong with people who NEED welfare to get welfare? Of course I would rather see people get a job that supports them, or get a second job (in my company over half of the EEs are part time and have other jobs)...I am surprized you don't think people who are quailified for welfare shoud apply for it...Are you gonna become a Republican soon? Not a socialist. However some programs are needed to be almost socialist...Think Welfare, not even I am willing to not help anyone if they are trying. Besides you seem to be forgetting that this thread is about a 5% cut in the EPA's funding. 5% mean they will not be able to have Hot Krispy Kream Donuts at the meetings...they will have to settle for Dunkin Donuts from the store. 5% is nothing. I find it funny that you complain about the economy, bitch about spending being out of control...right up until the point that one of your pet programs gets cut...then its wrong. Just like how you bitch about the trade deficit, but drive a Honda. "No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334

The one right accross is the Riande....Yeah, its kinda like a hotel. I would stay at the Motel 6. Nice, new and within walking distance. Also very close to the IHOP "No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334

Yep "Good times". Great "No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334

Well how is anyone supposed to know who is a threat and who is not? Why should your plane be allowed to fly, but I would not be allowed to go rent a helicopter for a little sight seeing? Fact is that you don't know what the possible threats to the President might be. The SS might be going to far, but they have a job to protect the President. Before 9/11 no one really thought that comercial Aircraft would be used to kill 3,000 people, who knows what the next attack will be from. And you know this based off of what, your deep understanding of "Precious Cargo" military operations from your time in the Delta Force? TK, being a DZM of a great DZ does not make you an expert in personal security. Your time at IBM might make you an expert in computer security and computer firewalls, but that does not mean you know about physical security or body armor. sure we can play this game. Nope. But he did harbor terrorists and in fact gave money to the familes of suicide bombers...Not what I would call "innocent". Also in a report from Douglas Feith: So intel pointed to the fact that while Iraq had little or nothing to do with 9/11....Reports DID show a connection between SH and Al Qaeda. Yes as far as we know he HAS none. However, we know he had them (since we sold/gave them to him.) And we know he never complied with the UN resolution that stated he had to show the world what he did with them. Reference http://www.un.int/usa/sres-iraq.htm A little bit of UN resolution 687 for ya: They never did that in 12 years, and they had 15 days. Also, several Democrats thought he had them as well..: We will be paying for this for a while...Thats a fact. Not feeling good is an opinion. I bet that the people he oppressed didn't feel very good though...again an opinion from me. "No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334

No problem. We do what we can to help. I still can't believe you were not there. "No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334

You know everything she has done? Wow, you must not have time for much else. "No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334

Thats cause you only read about the failures. How many attempted assasinations do you think the SS prevents each year? You only hear about the ones that get through. "No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334

since she is a Dalmatian, and you are a skydiver.... Name her "Bad Spot". "No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334

Race has nothing to do with math....NOTHING. Creationism is one view of how we got here. Evolution is another. I can see how religion is covered as it relates to how we got here...But not how math has jack to do with race. "No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334

Or by giving WalMart a break you allow people with less money to buy more products. And by doing so you allow lower prices that if you charged them double to run the business. "No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334

Simple, and it has been explained about a million times... But I'll do it again. Bush called an end to the war when the uniformed troops controlled by Saddam had been defeated. Now we are fighting non-uniformed combatants that some call "Terrorists", but you might call "heros." As for your favorite rant about Bush and th WMD's...Remember these voices from the past? Notice the dates? So even the "other side" thought Saddam had WMD's. You guys really need to get over that. The intel said he had them. The intel could be wrong, or he could have sold/hidden/given them away. It is also possible that the sanctions prevented him from building or maintaining the ones he had...But one thing is clear, he never complied with the UN resolutions....The fat he may not have had any WMD's does not change that he was not co-operating like the resolutions required. Really, get over that. Also since GWB won again, you should realize that most people do understand it. "No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334

And more from you. "No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334

I could live on a lot less than I make. I invest a good portion of my salary. And my company does a fair job of cutting the fat. Seems to me that they need to cut more dont ya think? But I guess you would rather just have the tax payers pay more and the EPA never have to cut the fat out. "No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334

I don't agree. I think they would use it just to start shit. "No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334

It is this kind of thinking that made me buy a Ford... Having said that I wish I had not. It has been a pain in the ass. I wish American cars were as reliable as the others. But your point here is solid. The EPA will cut some of its fat. The important programs will still be funded, they just may not have donuts at the meetings anymore. "No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334

I must say I liked this: "No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334

What does Lil' Kim want? "No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334

You are here too?!!!!? Oh joy! Let the beatings....Uh I mean *Training* begin. "No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334