Ron

Good question..... On one hand he should rot in jail, on the other, he is going to die soon and I'd rather his family have to pay for his health care and funeral than the State. Best case is he should have been taken out back, shot in the head and the family charged for the bullet. "No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334

The Govt has not released the data. So you fail there. And selling 14 F150's and classifying them as 7 different models due to trim differences when the frame/body/engine are all basically the SAME and trying to claim the three Civics you sold as being the most popular is not being accurate. You know it, you just don't want to admit it. "No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334

1. When you divide the subgroups into seperate groups you water down the data. In this case since there are 7 different types of f150's if you sold two of each and three Civics you are claiming that the Civic is the most popular car. Never mind that there were 14 f150's sold and only 3 Civics. 2. The Govt HAS NOT reased the data. So you have no idea what is really in it. "No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334

You don't have a choice if you are forced to pay for it. You don't have a choice to support Amtrak. I guess you think the Govt should start an airline then? The current proposed solution is really not more than some nice talk... the DETAILS are severely lacking. And having just been at the DMV and the tax office this week.... I don't exactly see the Govt running anything very well. PLUS, I HAVE BEEN TO THE VA and I don't find that quality of care near as good as my private insurance. Do YOU have any experience with Govt run health care? Plus you are ignoring how Frances system has been losing money for 20 years. "No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334

Yes, but many just want to blindly follow another Country... AND its failings. France has been losing money for over 20 years. In YOUR opinion. I am looking at balance sheets. You could say the opposite for those wanting a single payer system.. they are lazy and want someone else to pay their way. And they are just YOUR opinion of the opposition. that does not make it true. SHAME on us if we just blindly follow someone's failed programs. You think 20 years of France running in the red does not affect the children of France? "No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334

Yet you also seem to want the same failed program here. Despite how it has failed time after time. Not the majority... As soon as they are told there will be tax increases... When you mention people will actually have to pay, the polls go to 47-47. 1. Canada's system is also broken... Even the HEAD of that system said so. 2. People often go WITHOUT treatment in Canada due to the Canadian system. 3. People often LEAVE Canada to get treatment since they can't get it at home. 4. Low wage earners CAN afford health insurance... Heather had a Blue Cross policy for less than 100 bucks a mth. Many choose NOT to buy it. http://aspe.hhs.gov/health/reports/07/uninsured/index.htm 75.1% of people who are uninsured in the US make over 25,000 per year. That the majority are 18-44. And that the uninsured rate was less than 16%. And that 20% without insurance made more than 75K a year. In addition, there are 6.9 million workers and dependents that have declined employer coverage and remain uninsured (19% of the uninsured). I am writing my Senators and Congressmen, I am attending meetings in my area. I don't want the US to follow the same failed path of other Countries. I don't see why the Govt should be involved any MORE than needed. I don't think Govt run programs really work well, visit the DMV sometime, the US mail is operating at a loss, and Amtrak has not made money since inception. When you look at taxpayer to user ratios, there is no way that you can have 138 million people paying taxes paying for the healthcare of 307,212,123 people (July 2009 est.) You would have 2.2 people per taxpayer. How are taxes not supposed to go up again? Look at France http://online.wsj.com/article/SB124958049241511735.html The problem is that Assurance Maladie has been in the red since 1989. This year the annual shortfall is expected to reach €9.4 billion ($13.5 billion), and €15 billion in 2010, or roughly 10% of its budget. And since it has started, there have been 6 tax increases to pay for it, 4 reductions in benefits, and four increases in fees.... and they STILL have a 13.5B shortfall. There is SO much more that can be done before we adopt an admittedly broken system. "No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334

REALLY?!?!?!?! You still want to claim that?!?!?!?!? Ah, but when you break down into so many subcategories you water down the result.... something you should understand. Ah, but the Govt also set apart things like the standard F150 down into the XL, XLT, STX, Lariat, FX4, SVT, King Ranch, Platinum, and HD and treat each one as its own subgroup, you are misleading... and the Govt admitted to grouping them this way. I am sure you also read how Edmunds reported that the majority of the sales were compressed, not new. Which means people delayed buying till the program was out, and some bought early to take advantage of the govt money..... Like I said, I am sure you read that as well. Maybe you could explain how they are not... Or maybe you could explain why you support the "O" administration in not releasing the data they have? Maybe you can explain you blind trust when you demanded data from Bush all the time? "No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334

Still, it goes to show that the LEVEL of care is not as good as can be found in the US. And Canada has its own share of issues: Maybe we should have these discussions BEFORE we follow a path that has been shown NOT TO WORK. "No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334

You need to read again... while it may not say "MPG" it does say, "The government's results showed small cars as the top choice for shoppers looking for Cash for Clunker deals. But an independent analysis by Edmunds.com disputed those results, and showed that two full-size trucks and a small crossover SUV were actually among the top-ten buys" So there is a significant difference in the data. The Govt even admits a big problem with the method they use. "When presented with Edmund's analysis, the agency didn't dispute that the way in which it counted the vehicles would tend to reduce the totals of vehicles with many variations" But John, thats ok.... We know you demanded data from a Republican, but blindly follow Obama. Why the double standard? How can a "scientific" guy be so willing to ignore data? "No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334

Anyone that has read anything you post knows you do it all the time. BTW, for those folks that want to claim that the VA program is a good example of the Govt running a heathcare system: 1. Have you been to a VA hospital? I have... And I can say that I pay for private healthcare since it is better. 2. How do you plan on paying for it? Given that right now you have 138 million people paying taxes and only 5.5 million people received care in VA health care facilities in 2008..... (http://www1.va.gov/opa/fact/vafacts.asp) So you have a 27 taxpayers to 1 patient ratio. If it were expanded to everyone (307,212,123 (July 2009 est.)) then you would have a 55,856,749 patients to 1 taxpayer ratio. How do you think that will work? "No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334

And you have not presented any data to show the rich are... Plus you have ignored any data presented that discredits your opinion... Par for the course for you. Oh and you claimed your data said the most new cars were small with a good MPG???? You only ignore the data you don't like... Data has been provided, you just ignored it. THAT'S why I didn't just buy into the Govt release like you did. It is a shame your attention to detail only counts when a party you don't like is in charge. and for those that claim it increased sales: "No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334

Sure, there are plenty. Or that I have busted you YET AGAIN holding a double standard. When you make wild accusations against Bush it was logical... When someone else makes an accusation against Obama, they should be wearing a tinfoil hat. Doc, you pretty much hold the record for double standards. "No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334

And neither has the Govt, but you made that claim. You also have ignored the data that has been presented... The norm for you. You also have ignored answering any questions asked of you.. again, the norm for you. "No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334

shame you feel that way. "No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334

I am claiming that you have time after time made claims that the Bush WH did things to hide evidence and that you did that without on shred of data to back your position. The irony is that you made those types of claims when Bush had the WH, but now you attack others for making those types of claims now that Obama has the WH. "No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334

Because a human is a human and a pet a pet. If you really cannot see a significant difference between a human and a dog... then I would not be able to explain my reasoning to you. "No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334

Actually we are talking about a govt program... But you tried to claim that the banks would not do dumb things again.... you failed to prove your point, I proved mine Accept it. "No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334

Then you save him and hand him over to the authorities. Besides, the point was a human STRANGER. A human life should be held as more important than an animals. "No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334

You need to read what I wrote again... You HAVE stated that the Bush WH would do such things. Where is YOUR tin foil hat for those events? "No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334

Is Robert Mugabe a human or one of my pets? That will answer your question. "No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334

Funny thing is you would have said the *EXACT* same thing about the WH shuttign down thigns they don't like (and said many things along the same lines) if Bush was in the WH. "No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334

Life of a stranger. "No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334

Some interesting stuff here. http://finance.yahoo.com/retirement/article/107500/debt-burden-to-weigh-on-stocks;_ylt=AujSQggxOOjDyLMFlyKctRK7YWsA;_ylu=X3oDMTE1cnZvbWhhBHBvcwM2BHNlYwN0b3BTdG9yaWVzBHNsawNkZWJ0YnVyZGVudG8-?mod=retire-401k&sec=topStories&pos=4&asset=&ccode= While consumer spending is the major drive in the economy (2/3), debt spending is not the goal for a healthy recovery IMO. And for those that think the banks have learned the lesson.... http://finance.yahoo.com/loans/article/107489/old-banks-new-lending-tricks.html;_ylt=AnzhvHIdGP_n05rBeClRfVS7YWsA;_ylu=X3oDMTFhOTFzOHAwBHBvcwMzBHNlYwNwZXJzb25hbEZpbmFuY2UEc2xrA3NhbWVvbGRiYW5rcw--?mod=loans-personl_smallbiz "tied to complicated and volatile derivatives" does not sound like a lesson learned. Payday loan programs?!?!?!?!? And if house prices had continued to rise we would have been in a great place as well. It does not sound like they have learned..... So if big banks like 5/3rd and Wells Fargo are getting into payday loans, and banks like BofA, Citigroup, and JPM Chase have rolled out new corporate credit lines tied to complicated and volatile derivatives..... Does that make it sound like the banks have changed their ways? Or that they are now looking for new sources of income? "No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334

So you think that it is a wise personal fiance move? "No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334

Yet they still are hiding it. "No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334