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wow - good post! -the artist formerly known as sinker

pls read what the diff is b/t a discipline and a doctrine. at work now, no time to state it for ya. follow mjk? no thanks... -the artist formerly known as sinker

... didn't read that link didja... -the artist formerly known as sinker

So you play the semantic card again. The only way you can make a consistent picture is by semantic games. this from someone who is stuck, fixated, cathected in the age of the inquisition? please... there is no semenatic playing here at all "professor." it's just this is a topic you don't happen to like much, since you view the church as your enemy and are unable or unwilling to view things w/ an open mind. -the artist formerly known as sinker

You said billvon pulled a discrimination card. All I am saying is that he was correct. The church discriminates; they have the right to. Yes, I know there is interpreted scriptural support. That does not change the fact that they did not implement support of that scripture till well after establishment of the church. So beforehand, what, the Church was wrong? They got the message incorrectly? Heaven forbid! *** i didn't say _interpreted_ scriptural support... that is your term. there is evidence that there were celibate priests in the church from the beginning, both in scripture and in the first few centuries. the history of celibacy is not as black and white as you portray. and, since we're discussing a discipline and not a doctrine, it isn't something that the church got "wrong." Rather, the church views the celibate priesthood as the best symbolic representation of God with His people. This doesn't mean that eastern catholic priests are somehow "sinning" b/c they are married. However, their ministerial priesthood doesn't symbolically hold the same catechetical/escatological symbolism as the celibate priesthood does. -the artist formerly known as sinker

perhaps the prob here is that there is more than one definition of discrimination... there is, btw, scriptural support for priestly celibacy, it wasn't just a decision made much later. also, it's worthy of note that celibacy is not a matter of faith and morals. it isn't doctrine. it's a practice. did you know that? http://www.catholic.com/library/celibacy_and_the_priesthood.asp -the artist formerly known as sinker

If you check out the picture, you will see the remains of Scrunchy...may he rot in scorpion's hell. The black marks in the background are where I beat the hell out of him with my shoe. *** LOL!!! I would have payed cash money to have seen that scene, you spaztically pulverizing that poor, helpless little creature.... gawd I hate those fuckers. May they rot in hell indeed!!! Another notch on your belt. -the artist formerly known as sinker

Really? So then, the decision to make priest be celibate? That is not willy nilly? That decision was made by a POPE many years after Christ. Regardless, the Church can descriminate anyway it pleases. And it IS discrimination. discrimination -- Treatment or consideration based on class or category rather than individual merit; partiality or prejudice But as I said, that is their prerogative based on their beliefs. again, you betray a fundamental misconception of catholic teaching. there are reasons for celebacy and I invite you to read about them. it is rather interesting. and btw, nature discriminates... is that a problem? I mean really, I can't have kids but my wife can. Should I sue someone? -the artist formerly known as sinker

You are entirely missing the point. And maybe it is not even billvon's point, but it is mine now. You say eye color and skin color is not a factor. But what if it were? What if there was a papal decree or a passage in the bible which stated that all blacks were inferior? *** Perhaps a refererence to why the church believes and teaches what it does is in order... it does not have authority to make stuff up willy nilly, contrary to popular misconception. it merely sees itself as the custodian to revelation. see catholic.com. -the artist formerly known as sinker

while i don't have time for a formal exposition of the topic, the church's teaching rests on scriptural texts which condemn it. the church also rests on natural law as well. -the artist formerly known as sinker

not sure I understand the question... are you asking when did the catholic church begin teaching that homosexual sex was a sin? -the artist formerly known as sinker

He probably brought it up since, if THEY WANTED TO, they could. Not that they do. There are plenty of black catholics. They could also exclude people with blue eyes or those who have tattoos if they wanted. They may not, but they could.. actually, no they couldn't. there isn't anything intrinsic to skin or eye color that is exclusionary to being a priest. However, there IS something exclusionary to the priesthood when it comes to "lifestyle" choices and gender. I know most here disagree, but then most here aren't catholic or don't really understand the meaning of the priesthood, which is why I think they are so prone to pulling the discrimination or bigotry card. -the artist formerly known as sinker

OMG, that was is hilarious!!!! The Scorpions were my favorite 80's band! -the artist formerly known as sinker

True, unfortunately, the "gay rights" activists don't see it that way. that is unfortunate... b/c the "gay rights" activists are simply expending energy worthlessly in trying to get the catholic church to change it's stance on this issue. and billvon, why did you bring blacks into the argument? the leader of the US catholic bishops conference is black... Cardinal Arinze, also black, was largely considered the man who would be elected Pope. In many parts of the world, leadership in the catholic church is far more visibly "black" than "white"... -the artist formerly known as sinker

translucent means they appear almost see through... they have clearish look to them... that's the kind that i stepped on that caused my leg to go totally numb... first it felt like fire, then like it went to sleep. was crazy! -the artist formerly known as sinker

hey, forgot to ask... are they tan, black, or translucent? i like what a poster said above... "hey shithead!" STOMP!!! That cracked me up! God, but the clean up must suck bad. ick. -the artist formerly known as sinker

i would even freak out about having to squish them... i mean, it's not like they are smallish mosquitos or flies... ick!!!! i'm such a puss. god i'm glad I don't live out west anymore... good luck boinky, stay on your toes!! -the artist formerly known as sinker

gawd I wish I hadn't have read this thread... scorps give me the creeps... when living in phoenix as a teen, i stepped on one while barefoot... whole leg went numb up to the hip... man I hate those things... one hid in my sister's file cabinet once, she reached in, looked like a bundle of rubber bands to her, and bang--stung her in the hand. fuckers. I hate 'em. -the artist formerly known as sinker

glad you're ok, hope things continue as is... keep us all posted. good luck man. -the artist formerly known as sinker

is it permisible to say what the topic was or am I just asking for trouble? -the artist formerly known as sinker

Hi Keith! Well actually, that last thread taught me a lot about losing my temper... it's not worth it anymore... not to say I won't loose it again, but hey, I'm making progress! Truth is though, I have many friends here in Nashville who are gays and lesbians. And honestly, I love them dearly. One of them, Ginger, who no longer lives here, taught me more about God than most Catholics I know. I've really tried to see things from the homosexual perspective. I still don't agree w/ those who are living the lifestyle, but I see that it isn't my job to change them... it's just my job to love them. I haven't been in their shoes and I refuse to judge them. What I can't abide however, is gay men and women coming into the church and trying to change things within. My wife used to teach at a local catholic school, the pastor was gay friendly, and one of the other teachers was a lesbian. Sorry man, but she doesn't belong teaching religion in a place where she is living a life contrary to what she is supposed to be teaching. That duplicity is very confusing to gradeschool kids. Still glued, michael -the artist formerly known as sinker

ha! tit indeed! you can have all the corndogs you want, but then you'd get stuck going up the ladder... hey, keep that altimeter dusted off and ready to go for when your doc clears you! it's patiently waiting for it's patient to heal.... -the artist formerly known as sinker

i honestly forgot what gabe used to call tit... jog my mammories... isn't that was he called YOU??? HA!!! he still prays for you and michelle in our nightly prayers. he's such a sweetie. monica indeed gets up in the treehouse sometimes but she is a little afraid of heights still. you're right though, she IS trouble... she's got an explosive personality, like her daddy. not at all tame like her siblings... i never did get around to making the entry bigger, i couldn't figure out how to do it w/o altering the main support beams straddling the trees... but the fat ass STILL fits up there! but not that often... one of these days I'm going to get stuck... you'll have to come cut me out... -the artist formerly known as sinker

wow! what a difference! what does that stuff run per square foot vs. real hard wood flooring? we'd like to do the same. was it easy to install? -the artist formerly known as sinker

And an even better treehouse! you're too kind... I still tell everyone who comes over that we got over 600 #s of seething adult flesh, of both genders, in that treehouse, w/o nary a whimper from the thing. and, a couple years later, it still stands, ready for anything...