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I respect your practice...and if it is truly unto God, then I would never sway you otherwise: "One person considers one day more sacred than another; another considers every day alike. Each of them should be fully convinced in their own mind. Whoever regards one day as special does so to the Lord. Whoever eats meat does so to the Lord, for they give thanks to God; and whoever abstains does so to the Lord and gives thanks to God. For none of us lives for ourselves alone, and none of us dies for ourselves alone. If we live, we live for the Lord; and if we die, we die for the Lord. So, whether we live or die, we belong to the Lord." However, it seems this Hijab is done unto man...it makes you feel empowered against mans standards. Sister, please understand...THAT is not freedom. Never was there an answer....not without listening, without seeing - Gilmour

I've had several discussions with my future atheist brother-in-law...we get along pretty well and share common interests- primarily Backwoods Bastard and Cards Against Humanity. We've had several conversations about religion, and sometimes it gets a bit passionate. In one particular discussion, there where several times where we both projected several stereotypes onto each other. He happened to call me out on it and asked where I got that idea? I told him that the majority of my arguments have been with atheists on the internet - to which he replied, "oh, well that's your problem..." I offer to you the same advice.... pffffft....well that's not being very open minded, is it? Actually No, I didn't Then no, you really don't believe them...much like the Jews that don't really believe the prophets in those books either. Never was there an answer....not without listening, without seeing - Gilmour

I don't need to be an expert to see that it's not a disaster... Never was there an answer....not without listening, without seeing - Gilmour

Just wanted to add that I was surprised to hear about this bill...everybody knows it probably won't make it to law. In this country we elect officials based on 3 criteria - guns, gays and abortion. This is just a quick tally to show where everybody stands. Never was there an answer....not without listening, without seeing - Gilmour

No, there is not. Data are for the U.S. Number of vaginal deliveries: 2,642,892 Number of Cesarean deliveries: 1,284,339 Percent of all deliveries by Cesarean: 32.7% [Url]http://www.cdc.gov/nchs/fastats/delivery.htm[/URl] And read this please:[url]http://www.childbirthconnection.org/article.asp?ck=10456[/URL] What does that have to do with forced Cesarean and abortion? Never was there an answer....not without listening, without seeing - Gilmour

Agreed...tho I think you numbers are a few points off. Either way, it's a bunch more than the 30 forced c-section "atrocities" in the last 30 years... Never was there an answer....not without listening, without seeing - Gilmour

No, there is not. Never was there an answer....not without listening, without seeing - Gilmour

ya, there are always exceptions...we are talking about the 99.99% of reality. Never was there an answer....not without listening, without seeing - Gilmour

The proposed law is about late-term abortion...where in the article does it talk about him ever supporting that? Even if he did, his job is to represent his constituents, not his personal self interests. If a lawmaker drives drunk and lies, does that mean his political stance should support such behavior? Should a woman lawmaker who suffered traumatic effects from an abortion be dismissed as a hypocrite if she supports such legislation? Should smokers condone smoking? Overall, this bill has little chance of becoming law...but hell, why not use it as opportunity to drag another bible-belt republican through the mud...If you people actually fucking cared about the issue, you would've supported him for actually supporting his wife during her dilemma - a dilemma that should take less than 20 weeks to figure out. Personally, I don't see what the big deal is...I've heard many pro-choice women state that they didn't agree with late-term abortion... Never was there an answer....not without listening, without seeing - Gilmour

lol...maybe men with breast implants should walk around topless and see what happens. Never was there an answer....not without listening, without seeing - Gilmour

You act like that's a bad thing... It's not? Come to think of it, maybe it should be sooner? Never was there an answer....not without listening, without seeing - Gilmour

You act like that's a bad thing... Never was there an answer....not without listening, without seeing - Gilmour

It's interesting how you label the death penalty as cruel bloodthirsty christian vengeance, yet consider your idea of torment and life-long prison justice as mere punishment. Never was there an answer....not without listening, without seeing - Gilmour

Personally I would like to see him have a long long life in Federal prison...... rotting away...Contemplating his murder of innocents.. and awaiting his trip to meet Iblis for eternity... no virgins for Dzhokhar Yeah! The death penalty is just bloodthirsty christian revenge...it's cruel! The death penalty is too easy! These people need to be punished! They deserve to rot away...tormented by way of prison justice! ARGH! Does that pretty much sum it up for you? Never was there an answer....not without listening, without seeing - Gilmour

Jimmy two-times Never was there an answer....not without listening, without seeing - Gilmour

It started back in 2009 with tkhayes and jakee and then many others piled on. I decided to fight back. I've learned a lot in the process. You can learn a lot in those discussions...many times I find myself going down rabbit trails and studying other aspects of our faith that have nothing to do with the discussion I was initially trying to address... Overall, I think political views are more polarizing, and since you hold those views so strongly, people are more apt to use your faith against you... I have to admit tho, religious discussions haven't seemed to be so nasty lately... Never was there an answer....not without listening, without seeing - Gilmour

Well, except for winsor...at least he's consistent and stands by his convictions... You won't find him bashing christianity in one thread and then kissing muslim ass in another all in the name of political correctness... Never was there an answer....not without listening, without seeing - Gilmour

Immigrants from piratically every nation have been discriminated against in this country's history...Jews, Italians, Polocks...whatever....some people just have thicker skin I guess. Some Polocks had to change their names just to get a job. Many Polish families would forbid speaking the polish language and various customs even in their own homes...the idea was that they came here to take advantage of the benefits this new world had to offer, so best they assimilate and show some respect for the opportunity. Never was there an answer....not without listening, without seeing - Gilmour

I don't really watch fox news, but when I do it's usually when visiting my soon to be atheist mother-in-law...come to think of it, the majority of the time I see fox news is when visiting non-religious types. Apparently christians don't hold a monopoly on conservatism. Anyway, I just think Fox is reporting on muslims who actually are crazy psychopaths. Perhaps this just gives the impression that they are broad-stroking? Do we actually watch Fox news enough to make an accurate determination? When I do watch it, I've noticed that there tends to be a guest with a counterview. I can't really say the same when watching MSNBC with maybe the exception of Morning Joe. Personally, I wouldn't recommend watching either station. Interestingly enough tho, it seems that even you may have allowed them to skew your view of all us ignorant americans who "have never seen a “real” muslim" "Christianity is not violent, it doesn’t propagate violence and if you are seeing that in the Bible you may need to read it with commentary, that will explain to you the historical facts about that period but honestly i don’t see it anywhere, maybe because i have a wider knowledge about christian history." Speakers corner in 3 - 2 - 1.... But seriously, nobody cares...because ultimately, people can certainly interpret it as if it actually does propagate violence...that's all the bigots care about. We could say the same thing for christianity, but the argument that usually follows is - "that's just your interpretation of the text...why are you right and they are wrong?" I've always figured as much...I've heard some people lament on how Mohamed was some sick child molesting pedophile, but I never knew the text well enough to give an argument. I can say that Marry was probably around 12 when she gave birth to the Son of God, Jesus Christ who takes away the sin of the world. Or they can just visit detroit, lol.... I've grown up with muslims my whole life....it wasn't really a big deal in the 80's and 90's in Detroit/Hamtramck. Nobody ever complained about the call to prayer nor did we live in fear. It was just normal life...My polock great grandparents immigrated here, then we made some room for the Catholic Albanians dealing with that atheist nutter Hoxha, and then more room for a handful of Arabs. Life was good growing up in the 80's- 90's...then the dream went to shit. 911 just fucked everything up...we thought we were safe, but now we didn't know who to trust. Kids used to look up to our government officials, but now they are a just a laughing stock of incompetent self-serving assholes...maybe they always where, but at least us kids had the placebo of hope. Growing up we thought war was becoming obsolete...and after the aerial success of the first gulf war we had hope that it was gone for good...but all it really did was desensitize us and get us ready for the bullshit we see today...History repeating itself - God damn it... ...anyway, I'm starting to ramble. So after 911 there was an influx of more arab and european muslims and people started to take notice. There were petty squabbles about the call to prayer and the new immigrants not taking care of their property....no big deal. The bigger issue seemed/seems to be with politically discontent African American ex-cons who've converted to Islam in prison and become leaders who've been subject to FBI raids...these raids don't necessarily foil terror plots directly, but disband illegal activity that funds terrorism.... Never was there an answer....not without listening, without seeing - Gilmour

Don't dine within view of the Duomo Never was there an answer....not without listening, without seeing - Gilmour

Dude...you bring this on yourself. I have no idea wtf you're talking about. If you're free, then great....the world is yours....please, please feel free to enjoy it while it lasts....make the best of it and savor every moment. If you're still unsatisfied in the end, we'll still be here for you. God bless... Never was there an answer....not without listening, without seeing - Gilmour

https://youtu.be/S3yon2GyoiM?t=379 Never was there an answer....not without listening, without seeing - Gilmour

You forgot to cover it all in mayonnaise..... Miracle whip... Never was there an answer....not without listening, without seeing - Gilmour

Well, this type of stuff happens on both sides as the consensus of this thread suggests. Wendy's reply is the only true and accurate response. We're sick of this shit. In a perfect world, I'd be the president... Vice President: Wendy Secretary of State: Nerdgirl Chief of Satff: MaadMax Press Secretary: Jakee Secretary of the Treasury:Billvon Secretary of Defense: Skycop Department of Homeland Security: Ron Environmental Protection Agency: Rushmc Senior Advisors: Rehmwa & Shotgun Office of National Drug Control Policy: Ryoder Department of Education: Kallend Department of Health & Human Services: Jclalor Supreme court: Andy & Lawrocket First Lady: Normiss ...I'm sure there's a place for turtle and amazon in there somewhere, but I'm just not sure yet... Never was there an answer....not without listening, without seeing - Gilmour

What's wrong with that one? Never was there an answer....not without listening, without seeing - Gilmour