ZigZagMarquis

OOOOOhhhhhhhHHHHH!!! Where can I get me some of those!!!!???? Believe me, I won't be tiein' it to my foot!

Hey, didn't mean to stir the pot... really... ... just meant to say that if anyone gets their hands on FFE's 05 Video, its worth a watch... If I ever get stuck in... I mean... If I'm ever visiting Missiouri with my rig, I'll try to get by FFE and make a jump, then I can join IH.

... okay, I'll show my lack of understanding of "down-under-skydiving-lingo"... errr... CI????

So the enforcement was a stiff talkin' to by the S&TA and/or a highly experienced / highly recognized member of the DZ; granted this is the exactly what the first step should be, but what do you think would have happened next (if anything) if their warnings hadn't been listened to is what I'm curious to hear is such cases... as in, does any discipline really ever happen?

Et all... reading to two threads going in the Incidents forum regarding the Dec 30 and Dec 31 fatalities at Eloy as well as the The 'Oh no its cool, I'm a really good skydiver' attiude thread leads me to pose this question... Sure, a lot, most, maybe all DZs out there probably have some sort of "policy" or "guidline" or "rules" applying to things like landing patterns, hook turns & experience levels to land at the studen't vs. "experienced" landing areas... for example, at my home DZ its supposed to be a left hand pattern at the experinced pit, land into the wind, if no wind, first person down sets the direction rule... but how many DZs / DZOs / S&TAs out there actively enforce such regs? In other words, anyone out there in the verse actually ever experience anyone ever really being "busted" for a "landing pattern" violation or landing area infraction?? ... i.e. grounded for the day, getting put on a 30 day board, 86'ed??? ... or is it all just lip service and the problems continue??

Fair enough scratch, as you so stated, but now in my own words... well, borrowed from someone else on the board somewhere... "low pulls are a thing of the past, if you want to be "Cool & Dangerous" in skydiving, now you hook-it on a highly overloaded high-performance canopy"... but what say you to this??? What are you going to do to not take me with you in the process of... "...The price to pay is a few lives here and there on the road to canpopy piloting greatness..."???

Since the folk at IH won't let any of us "left coasters" join there... some pesky rule about having never jumped there... ... I was nominated to post this here... A bunch of us at Cal City recently got our hands on FFE's 2005 Year End Video compilation CD, nice job editing it all together... and we're anxiously looking forward to the 06 version. http://www.freefallexpress.com/

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Legs are okay to a point, but then they make an ass out of themselves. Anyway... I voted Bigger, if I were to get to vote / choose that is... but when it comes down to it, big, small, firm, saggy, they're all fun if you like whom they're attatched to...

While at Eloy, don't land on the grass, land out in the desert, it will make packing new ZP easier.

If you have a kill-line pilot chute... are you cocking it when you pack / before you jump?? Just kidding. Anyway, before you go cutting holes in your slider or putting a smaller slider on your canopy... a couple of my thoughts.... 1) call up PD and make sure you've got the correct sized slider on your canopy (i.e. not too big)... and then 2) when you're packing... when you quarter the slider, don't pull it out in front of the nose so much after setting the nose and wrapping the tail around, etc. Once the holidays are over, I'd call up PD and talk to one of their riggers about it. If you don't like 1000'+ snivells... don't demo a Katana!

No worries... Again, welcome to your next step in skydiving... packing new ZP for the first time... OBTW, you owe beer.

WoooWhoooo!!! I'll never be any good at freeflying then either... err... but what about tattoos?... Anyway, has this "mystery rigger" had his 100th save yet? I like the having the reserve handle bronzed idea... and maybe hung from the rafters of the loft with a sign or plaque or something. OBTW... brianfry713 ... all of my cutaways have been intentional

Ah yes, the woes of a newbie packing brand new ZP for the first time... okay, I'm not laughing at you, just near you... just kidding... we've all been there... You can do a search on the forums and find lots of stuff on this and I'm sure others will be along with lots of "do this... don't do that" comments, but its really hard to expalin in words... at least for me, it is ... how to pack new ZP, but much much easier to "show". Anyway, as techniques can varry, my 2 cents to you is to find someone on the DZ you trust to show you how to bag new ZP. Good Luck.

cestarmm... like folks up post said, you can do a search on DZ.com for more info... however, for the most part, this is a conversation you should have with whom ever you're buying your rig from and/or folks at The Relative Workshop (everyone else, yeah, I know Mr. Booth recently renamed it, but I can't recall the new name right now and most folks still call it that) when you order your Vector 3. ... but to give you a little info here... most folks choose 19" or 21" risers these days because, for one reason, most folks want to be able to reach their slider easily after opening to collapse it. Type 8 & Type 17 refers to different types of webbing. While there are others, both are typically used for riser and/or chest strap material. In lay-terms, most jumpers refer to Type 8 risers as the "thick" or "fat" ones since Type 8 is about 2" wide. While Type 17 risers are usually referred to as the "skinny" ones. Here's some info from Para gear on Type 8 & Type 17... http://www.paragear.com/templates/base_template.asp?group=31#W9930 http://www.paragear.com/templates/base_template.asp?group=31#W9970 ... but like we've said, for the most part, you want to talk to your local rigger or gear store or the manufacturer about the questions you have as it all depends... Good Luck.

Who did the skydiving stunts... ?

*cough* Jumping into the Iraq War: a daring combat jump under the cover of darkness deposited the 173rd Airborne Brigade into northern Iraq in March. Its presence virtually sealed off the oil-rich region - War In Iraq VFW Magazine, August, 2003 by Tim Dyhouse They couldn't drive to the battlefield, so they did what they do best: jump feet first into the fray. Two battalions of the Army's storied 173rd Airborne Brigade conducted a successful, nighttime parachute drop into northern Iraq on March 26. The brigade, part of the U.S. Army Southern European Task Force, was reactivated in June 2000 and was primed for just such a mission. It was the biggest combat jump since the invasion of Panama in 1989, and the 173rd's first wartime drop in 35 years, when it jumped near Katum, South Vietnam, during Operation Junction City on Feb. 22, 1967. [On that mission, 845 paratroopers of the 2nd Bn., 503rd Parachute Infantry Regiment (PIR) and A Battery, 3rd Bn., 319th Field Artillery participated.] For the Iraq jump, some 1,000 173rd paratroopers, Rangers and support personnel dropped after a five-hour flight from Aviano Air Base near their home post at Camp Ederle in Vicenza, Italy. The 2nd Bn., 503rd PIR and the 1st Bn., 508th PIR comprised about 80% of the airborne troops. The rest were engineers, sniper and long-range surveillance teams, Air Force special ops troops, a combat support company and a six-man medical/surgical detachment. http://www.173rdairborne.com/cbtjumps.htm http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/ops/airborne-jumps.htm http://www.blackfive.net/main/2004/05/recently_declas.html

LOL Bytch... would piercing be an option??

Who said anything about beer rules being "fair". If you jump the jet and a helicopter at Perris next weekend... and these are the FIRST times you've jumped a jet & helicopter... you owe two cases of beer. PAY UP!!

True enough... we've all had the same number of jumps at one time or another... Zero... same thing, different words, Gravity Don't Care How Many Jumps You Have.

Well... bytch's answer makes sense / would respect that... but y'all... around where I'm from a whine like your's... "you disrespected me" would make you more of a target... same thing different words, the best way to get pied would be to wank that you're above (better) then such things... not that we wouldn't buy you dinner before (or after... ) piein' ya...

Ya know, there's probably about a zillion of threads like this here on DZ.com. It seems to be systemic with drop zones / skydiving in general that if you jump long enough, you'll experience something like what hjumper33 speaks of... probably sooner then later. I've been on both ends of this... but now-a-days I'm in the "always check the spot" camp / don't be a lemming and just jump out because the green light is on. A couple of folks up-post made a few good points... First, there could be traffic that the pilot doesn't see... Second, GPS is not perfect, its just another tool to be used and if mis-understood, can screw you on a bad spot just as equally as spotting the "old fashioned" way... Third, always know the procedures of the DZ you're at. I jump mostly at a DZ where the pilot DOES NOT use GPS. The green light coming on means "this is jump run", "open the door and start spotting." For the most part, he's been doing it so long, corrections are usually not needed, just judge the exit point so the first to the last group get a managable spot; in other words, just hit the cut button at the right time. Its "fun" to have non-local-green-light-lemmings show up and start getting all bent yelling "green light!! open the door!!! get out!!!!". If I'm 1A, I'll open the door and motion for them to move forward and say, "You can go if you want"... if they go, I expalin to them what I said above, when they walk back to the hangar... or if they look out and get a quizical look on his or her face without leaving, I explain that we spot the "old fashioned way". Anyway, seems as long as there is skydiving there will be arguments over the spot one way or the other, but screaming Fuck You back at someone yelling at you to get out... well...

Well... who ever buys the beer... I think BEER is in order!!!!

We should probably spin this off to a different thread as its off topic... but... Ummm... If the operator fails to pull the reserve handle after a cut-away or never pulls the cut-away because of a total on the main, that's hardly the fault of the rigger that packed the reserve. Again, if the operator attempts a reserve deployment at too low an altitude to do any good, that's hardly the fault of the rigger that packed the reserve. Define "malfunction"... Just because there was an attempt to deploy a reserve and it doesn't save the operator's life doesn't necissisairly mean it malfuncitoned. One example, I once had someone whom I had packed their reserve hum it down way low trying to properly route his chest strap that he hadn't before leaving the aircraft and as he pitched his main, his Cypres fired, and he landed with two out. If it had turned into a high-speed spinning main / reserve entanglement and they "burned in"; would you say I was responsible since I packed the reserve? I think not. My point is... A reserve is not guaranteed to save your life... let alone save your life even if mistakes or mis-use are made on part of the owner / operator.

So did you (or are you going to) stop at Cal City Skydive??