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We made a lot of French jokes...........ummm.......that's pretty much it. Oh, and Relative Workshop came out with something really cool for their new rigs.

Actually, most of the FARs exist because someone has died before. They figured this rule would keep someone else from dieing in the future. Forced education without reason. But as we all know: "We don't make new mistakes in aviation. We just repeat the old ones." Chris Schindler www.diverdriver.com ATP/D-19012 FB #4125

Oh, and it was nice of Skydive Arizona to advertise Hinckley's website address in the latest issue of Parachutist. Take a look. Page 58.

Too many Chris's! LOL....now I've got them confused...... [Dr. Evil pose] Yah, Hinckley is just down the road (30 minutes from me in Naperville) and 45-50 minutes for me to SDC. I definitely would like to jump Hinckley more often this year too.

Shame on us for not doing it right the first time. We allowed them to weasel in the "serious consequences" into 1441. We should have stood our ground then. Some feel the current gun laws are enough and that we don't need any more. They would argue that enforcement of the current laws is what is needed rather than unfunded mandates. I happen to agree. Chris

Hmmm......porter and muddy grass strip....or.......Super Otter and shaped landing area for drainage.....hmmmmmm........which to choose. LOL....I'm just funnin.

Strategery!

LMAO!!

Like the "F" word when talking about those people who actually CHOOSE to fly in an other-than-belly-to-earth position. I mean really! And we're not Riggers! We're Nylon Americans. sheeeeesh.

I knew about the civil penalities (money) but wasn't sure on the imprisonment thing. Chris Schindler www.diverdriver.com ATP/D-19012 FB #4125

Way good advice Chris Derek, not corrected. Just clearified. Chris Schindler www.diverdriver.com ATP/D-19012 FB #4125

I suspect you are exactly correct. It does seem to be a stretch. But some eyebrows might be raised. Chris Schindler

It is only required if the paperwork says it is required. Some Cessna operations have paperwork that does not require it, though this is the exception rather than the rule. As far as a recommendation.....DON'T FLY A CESSNA WITH JUMPERS WITHOUT AN EMERGENCY BAILOUT RIG. Chris Schindler www.diverdriver.com ATP/D-19012 FB #4125

Miiiiisssster Andersonnnnnn. oooooooo....that guy scares me.

Wow....I'm impresse with your trip back. At least some TSA people are tying to instruct the newbies. Nice. Chris

Exactly what Push said. When the free fly group exits head down they won't actually be "head down"to be into the relative wind. So, at first, they will present a small cross-section to the relative wind (parallel with the line of flight) and will go "with" the plane for a short time. Thus appearing to go "straight down".

The FAA can assign civil penalties to non-pilots. I doubt they can jail you though. They most certainly can go after the pilot. He can forget flying for a charter operation or airline. With that on your record they won't want to touch you. Sad, a career lost so early on if actually violated. But this will take awhile to all play out. Nothing happens fast it seems in the realm of FAA violations. If the FAA can violate a private pilot for flying jumpers at a commercial operation then they most certainly can violate you for carrying passengers for hire without a Part 135. I wonder what the convicts lawyer will think about this or the ACLU? Chris Schindler

Ummmm, if the operation that filed the NOTAM is gone then the NOTAM is gone. You might still have a parachute symbol on the sectional map but technically it would be invalid for your jumping. So, I would recommend just filing a new notam each time you are going to jump on the beach. It's not that hard and just takes a days advance notice I believe. That's the way it was the last time I filed a NOTAM well before 9/11. Just check your local Flight Service Station about that with the NOTAM coordinator. There is a threshold that must be met for having a permanent NOTAM on a jump site. You must do about 2,000 skydives PER YEAR to get it. That according to the local FAA guy here in Chicago. He spoke at our Winter Expo last weekend. Chris Schindler www.diverdriver.com ATP/D-19012 FB #4125

Ok, there seems to be some apples and oranges conversations in this thread. For the purpose of answering this persons questions here is what I say: Yes, it can be done legally with a private pilot license. He does not run a commercial operation for dropping jumpers. You are not paying him for it. You COULD pay for half the gas to fly the load. You pay anything more and you are compensating him. So that would require a Commercial Pilot certificate. The aircraft must be approved for flight with the door off. You have to have paperwork to fly with the door off. The operating limitations will be changed. You get this from your local FSDO. So get involved with them and they can guide you mostly. NOtice To AirMan (NOTAM)....you have to file one for every jump you do. If you are going to drop once per day then you need one notice per day. If you plan to do a series of jumps in a day you can get a block time for doing it. But they don't want you filing NOTAMs if you are not really using the airspace. This doesn't really keep everyone from flying through there. But it can give most people a heads up about your operation. Has you pilot ever drop jumpers? It can be easy with one jumper and then again there are things that can get both of you killed. Have you talked with an experienced jump pilot to get advice? Well do it. That's my advice. There's more to doing this than opening a door and jumping. There are real safety concerns that need to be addressed for your safety and the safety of the people below you. You can read my site to find some of the regulation and advisory circulars. Read the REGULATIONS section of www.DiverDriver.com. Chris Schindler www.diverdriver.com ATP/D-19012 FB #4125

You are like SOOOOOoooooo OOOooooollllllldddddd!!!!! Happy birthday!

Hitler didn't have any extramerital affairs? Funny, I think I remember them finding his mistress dead next to him in "The Bunker" as the allies approached Berlin. But it was posted on the internet so it must be true. Hitler was a saint.

Nahhh!!! They'll be fine! They like watching movies with gladiators?

There's one thing that I was thinking of that could give the illusion that the jumpers are "falling straight down" and that's a really good head down freefly group exiting. They present less surface to the relative wind so their relative change with respect to what the plane is doing through the air is less than a good 4-way team launching perfectly into the relative wind. Chris Schindler www.diverdriver.com ATP/D-19012 FB #4125

I agree. I used to fly a Cessna U-206 and used to carry 6 jumpers to 10K and back to load in about .4 of an hour. The plane naturally had the descent rate without trying when set up properly. Didn't see the need for speed brakes. We weren't hard up for lift capacity. Oh we did a lot of jumping but it's not always worth it to outrun your packing. I always thought that if you were a Cessna operation but wanted a faster jump plane that a Soloy converted Turbine 206 would be a great option. You can go higher very efficiently yet you don't out run your packing so you don't have to turn the engine off as much. But that's just my dream small DZ jump plane. Chris Schindler

Remember Andrea, You have that promise of extra altitude if I'm flying.