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Real good Italian place...hmmm......Montey's? I've used my Check Card there. Hmmmm. Indian place.....got me there....don't like that food. The Thai resteraunt takes them as we eat there almost every Sunday. Sorry for the back luck.

I only know of one place that doesn't accept credit cards. And most of the jumpers avoid that place since the owner fired one of our friends from there for no reason. Most resturaunts I have been to over the past 6 years in Ottawa have taken plastic. Where did you go that you couldn't use it? R. Groto? Chris

I had a jumprun where we had 45 seonds in between groups! It totally can be done and HAS to be done for safety. If your pilot is yelling at you to go then maybe you counted slow. Your pilot should be the one to help you decide group seperation because they -should- be able to tell you what the ground speed is. That is the basic way to determine good seperation. Unfortunately some people count slow. But yah, if you are supposed to give 17 seonds between groups then do it! Your life depends on it possibly. Chris Schindler www.diverdriver.com ATP/D-19012 FB #4125

They are spoilers that can be extented to disrupt the flow of air over the wing. Create more drag and you can descend faster without increasing airspeed. You can also keep the power on the engine higher to keep it warm and avoid cooling the engine too fast. Chris Schindler www.diverdriver.com ATP/D-19012 FB #4125

Here are some links to articles on engine operation. It has specifics about running them at high power settings and hard descents. It even uses Skydiving Ops as examples of why we get full life out of the engines yet other weekend warriors don't. But if you find your operation going through a lot of engines you might want to review your leaning procedures. It's called the Pelican's Perch: www.avweb.com/news/columns/182179-1.html www.avweb.com/news/columns/182176-1.html www.avweb.com/news/columns/182583-1.html www.avweb.com/news/columns/183094-1.html Chris Schindler www.diverdriver.com ATP/D-19012 FB #4125

C-205 Non-Fatal Jonesburg, MO June 9, 1990 http://www.ntsb.gov/ntsb/brief.asp?ev_id=20001212X23496&key=1 C-182 Non-Fatal Weeping Water, NE October 29, 1998 http://www.ntsb.gov/ntsb/brief.asp?ev_id=20001211X11220&key=1 C-182 Non-Fatal Jeanerette, LA Sept. 12, 1999 http://www.ntsb.gov/ntsb/brief.asp?ev_id=20001212X19768&key=1 They will be added to the Accidents section of www.DiverDriver.com soon. Chris Schindler www.diverdriver.com ATP/D-19012 FB #4125

Maybe true but I think I would avoid shopping at that mall ever again after that treatment of peaceful protesting. I don't think you could even call it a protest. A message on a shirt? Come on. I wear a Wax Trax shirt that had groups like Ministry on the label with songs such as "So What" which talked about thrill killing. Do they throw me out of the mall? No. This is rediculous behaviour and people should speak with their money. Spend it elsewhere. Chris

After reading that account I totally agree that it was a bullshit deal. People walking in small groups not speaking, not handing out unsolicited literature is a good way to protest and the reaction by mall security is completely uncalled for. You know what, I pray for peace too. Chris

There just seems like there should be more to this story. It did say that the shirt was printed by a store IN that mall. I think that's complete bull. The arrest seems straight forward for not leaving when asked to. It also said that 20 other people had walked through the mall with similar t-shirts. Maybe that group had caused a ruckus and the mall security was trying to prevent a repeat of the previous problem. That's only a guess. But I still think there is going to be more to this story. Chris

Excuse me but there could be any number of reasons for deviating from a flight plan. Namely an aircraft emergency! I don't want to get shot down just because I'm dealing with "smoke in the cockpit....smoke in the cabin". The general public didn't want to listen to the pilots before 9/11. We said the system was lax on security. See where that ignoring got us? The public doesn't want to listen to us on carrying guns in the cockpit. I wonder where it'll get us for ignoring us again. By the way, I deviate from my flight plan all the time for weather. You gonna shoot me down because I won't fly into a Level 5 thunderstorm? Chris Schindler

Sorry Quade, but I don't want to wait until we have a smoking city before we do something. Waiting until the WTC was smoking before we did something about Al Quada was the wrong thing to do. A couple of tomahawk missiles at buildings we weren't sure had anything to do with them? That was Clinton's answer. What an incredibly bad move. Why? Cause we didn't want to increase tensions. I say it's time we took the kid gloves off. And started showing these jurks that they can't threaten us into providing free aid to them. We were already the largest contributor of humanitarian aid in Afghanistan BEFORE 9/11. What did that get us? THOUSANDS dead and a economy in shambles with little hope of recovery. So why should we wait till NK sends over it's one or two bombs and takes out SF or LA? Why don't we protect the US public BEFORE the attack? I think this is exactly what needs to be done.

Yes, let's stand by and appease another dictator. I don't think that's a good idea at all. "Send us more food and money or we will nuke your west coast." Yah, that's a guy we want to just let alone. I completely agree that the move was good.

Well, call me a hawk then because I totally agreed with the article. War is total and complete. If it has bounderies then it is useless and only creates more catastrophe in the long run. It has to have a clear goal of removing the power that brought about the war to begin with. Otherwise it only festers into more war and destruction years down the road. Just like between WWI and WWII compared to GWI and the impending GWII. This needs to be finished.

Just to add to what Derek said: Altitude awarness is EVERYTHING! If you are in spinning line twists at decision altitude I don't care what recovery techniques you think you know. I saw video of a guy with well over 1,000 jumps in spinning line twists. He waisted valuable time trying to get out of the line twists. He then decided to cutaway but grabbed his chest strap and tried pulling it. Then he grappled for the cutaway handle and then pulled the chest strap again trying to deploy the reserve. Again, he finally got the reserve handle pulled. The result of this waisted time was he got the reserve out a QUARTER second soon enough to survive. The video shows him hitting the ground with the reserve slider still half-way up the lines. It's all well and good to have an idea of how to get out of spinning DIVING line twists but what if you don't do it properly? And you began your main deployment low? Then you grappled with your handles? You're in the dirt! Have a plan and know down to what altitude you will try to fix something and when you will go straight to cutting it away. We had a fatality at SDC where a jumper under spinning line twists cutaway at 200 feet AGL. He tried to get out of those twists from an altitude of about 2,500 feet (as seen by other jumpers on the load and a ground witness). Maybe he read somewhere that you could get out of spinning line twists just by making the links even. If he did think that, it was a fatal delay. DON'T MAKE THE SAME MISTAKE! Chris Schindler

John, you have taken on a monumental task. Kudos to you for trying. Amazing work already (I'm looking at the Nexrad stuff for Chicago as the snow comes in) and I know you'll get stuff worked out. Chris

Yes, but maybe not. Skiers do not sign a release of liability like we do. I don't think there's saying anything about doing everything right and still dieing. I'm sure the lawyers can mull this over plenty though.

Ok Kate. You're right. Heck, I've only been a jumper on one attempt (SDC 2000) and nothing came close to completing there. But boy did that rub me wrong. I feel that there should be some "control" aspect of the record. Without it at all it seems to take away a lot.

I know, but without the 3 second rule it's all the same it seems. Just slop. So we might as well just do away with the required grips declared before jumping rule and then just dump as many bodies as possible into the air. See what happens. This is so very disapointing to me. It's like saying "Ok, you will get credit for summiting Mt. Everest even if you ride a helicopter to the top." Just doesn't seem right to me. Chris

I originally posted this under the women's way certification thread. It'a pretty negative post and didn't want to take away from their accomplishment. But I gotta get this off my chest. Excuse me for venting....... THAT'S FUCKING BULLSHIT! So are they going to go back and certify the 259-way at Ottawa 1998 as a world record? It was a complete formation. Held for 2.2 seconds. Hell, even the "unofficial 297" wasn't a complete formation. I think it's demeans the effort of those past if we allow SLOP to count as a world record. Dang it. Why don't we just dump 500 people into the air and build a 400 way. That's a record huh? Man do I think this is a bull shit move. [/rant] You may now resume thinking of me as a level headed and thoughtful person. Chris

Is that for all large formation skydiving records or will it only apply to the new free fly records? I thought there was going to be a difference between the two types of records. But I could be completely mistaken on it. Chris Schindler

You want to make sure that the RSL attachment point is the correct attachment point. I once saw a pair of risers put on a rig and the attachment was too high on the riser. The first deployment after installment it popped the reserve pin and the student had an instant two canopy out downplane. My suggestion would be to take it to a rigger and have him/her give it a close inspection. Chris Schindler

Nice site. People might want to check the Latitude/Longitude of their DZ listed there to make sure they get the correct weather forcast. I just noticed that Skydive Chicago was listed about 80 miles east of where it really is. Oooops. I imagine they will fix that after they receive my email. Other might want to check their favorite DZ too. Chris Schindler www.diverdriver.com ATP/D-19012 FB #4125

Pot calling the kettle black? LOL. Slipstream was cool. And I'm glad I got to be there for his first tandem. Give me an email addy Steve and I'll email those photos to you. Yep, Renee won 40% off a Relative Workshop Vector! And guess what?! I ordered a Micron the day before on Saturday! She handed it over to me right away so I could get the extra discount on my order. That was so sweet. I actually won two things myself. A Sugar Gliderz's cookie....YUMMMM!!! And a t-shirt (of course I chose the RW shirt). Then Renee got the discount certificate and that just made the day great! It was an excellent Winter Expo. We were all greeted by the new Skydive Chicago logo on the side of the main hangar as we drove into the property. Boy does it look sharp! We then enjoyed many excellent seminars with lots of information. I went to the Relative Workshop seminar called "Skyhook-and other things that matter." I even learned stuff about gear construction that I never knew before. I think we all walked out with a better understanding of our gear. RW does so much R&D it's amazing. And then came the presentation on the Skyhook RSL. I've seen the video and photos of the system before this presentation but it was amazing to watch in action again. I had already made up my mind to order a Micron before this presentation but this just solidified it. I was sitting next to the new USPA President Glenn Bangs and we chatted periodicly about different things that came up during the seminar. And then the Skyhook came up. I said that this system could have changed the outcome of two fatalities at SDC. There was a pause, then I leaned back to him and said "That sounded very device dependant. I first mean that proper emergency procedures could have changed the outcome of two fatalities here. But had this been installed there may have been a chance of a different outcome also." I felt better about my comments after that. As an aside: Glenn's a good guy and I think he'll make a fine President of the USPA. I then attended the FAA seminar on aircraft safety. I had my prejudices about how this would go but I thought Scott Landorf of the DuPage FSDO did a good job. He certainly got the point across that much of the responsibility for following FARs is on the jump pilot's head. And it is up to the jumpers to help the jump pilot follow the rules to avoid violations. Nicely put. I then waited until after the seminar to hit him full force with www.DiverDriver.com lol...... He was very interested in what was on there and looked forward to spending some time reading it. Hopefully the word will continue to get out about what is going on in the jump plane world and where we need help in education. The party Saturday night was great although I left at 9pm. Chef Tim's food will put anyone into food coma instantaneously. Sunday started pretty slow (wonder why) but got rolling later. More enthusiasm built as the door prize drawings were coming. And as stated before....many cool prizes were given out. If you missed it, plan to be there next year. It continues to be a great way to kick off the skydiving season in the north and review MANY, MANY safety issues that might be in the front of the mind during the cold months. Chris Schindler www.diverdriver.com ATP/D-19012 FB #4125

Very odd looking at that photo. The main body of the fuselage is intact. I wonder if they were wearing seatbelts and shoulder harnesses. To me that looks like a totally survivable accident. But then again I don't know all the information about the crash. Just very odd looking. And having been in 3 forced landings myself I'll tell you that avoiding all solid objects if possible is a goal. Not just avoiding houses. But then again, sometimes in poor weather conditions when a plane comes down, it comes down where it's at. Has nothing to do with any effort on the pilots part. I'll just hope that it was in this case. Low ceilings, icing conditions: WEATHER: KJYO 012000Z AUTO 14004KT 1SM OVC003 03/02 A3012. Deciphered it says KJYO (station reporting weather) 01 (first of march) at 2000Z (1500 local time) Automated weather observation, Wind from 140 degrees at 4 knots, 1 statute mile visibility and overcast ceilings at 300 feet AGL, temperature at the surface 3 degrees Farenheit Dewpoint 2 degrees Farenheit, Altimeter setting 30.12. Those types of weather conditions can produce icing that the aircraft may not have been able to handle. You come down where you're at. Then again, icing might not have had anything to do with this crash. Chris Schindler www.diverdriver.com ATP/D-19012 FB #4125

Wish I could be there. Have a good jump Timmy D.