Billy

Woops,, Thought this was a thread on Wingnut drinkin stout beer!! I heard about this on the radio this morning,, The Bob and Tom Show,, crazy DJ's from back east somewhere,, Didn't mention the charity side of it,,, too cool!!

Hay Congrats!! Did my first sit fly last weekend,, well If ya could call it that,, hee hee, had ta keep ballin up ta get upright and thought my shoulders were gonna dislocate,, my arse kept gettin low and in front of me,, Luke was out in front and said my teeth were either gripped or I smiled all the way down!!,, smiles,, definately!! SMILES!! Billy

Wahoo!! OK I owe beer!! Did my first 8-way,, and we did it jumpin from a C-207 and a C-182,, It was my jump #41, so I told the JM I didn't wan't ta blow it for the others,, was in the 182,, we did a 3 way for the base,, it was pretty cool seein the 207 right on our arse,, wavin at them,, watching them fly down to us,, I totally lost altitude awareness I was so into it,, when we broke off I was like no way!! Had ta leave early so we still have the SCR beer douche coming up later,,after 46mph winds yesterday it was a beutiful NW Sunny clear day and I got a friggin speeding ticket on the way to the DZ,, $100,, Shite thats a lotta jumps!! Otherwise It was a Bitchin day!! Blues!! Billy

Ya can also try Big Sky Airlines,, MT's home airline,, go to ta see what might work for ya,, from Spokane it's 'bout 2 1/2 hrs by ground,, I know several folks from here who are headin that way,, I'll check ta see if any have room if ya like,, Blues Billy

Hay All, We were discussing mals this weekend also,, My AFF intructor is a military jump instructor retired and has done lotsa packs, suprevised student packs, etc,, literaly thousands, and has never had a mal,, he flat packs to this day and when asked why he doesn't pro pack he just tells folks why start, after so many w/o a mal?? I was thinkin of doin a poll but don't know how to set that up,, maybe one of you can,, was gonna ask: How many jumps ya have, how many mals, how many cutaways, when ya had a mal were you in a transition or learning phase ie new gear, learnin to pro or psycho pack, student, head down, CRW, etc,, Have ya been injured, sprains, fractures, have ya bounced? Did ya survive? Thanks if ya put the time into setting that up!! Blues! Billy

Hay Wingnut,, Good job and glad you're ok,, with the camera and opening how's your neck?? Look forward to the video,, Blues Bro!! Billy

OK Karen,, I see ya left the story behind your name out,, and I spose ya want jump tickets for the class also!! Well I'll check but don't hold your breath,,, Ya lawyers,, "skeet" just read the article Sangiro posted on the lady sueing the DZ,, sounds like the winds made her have a spinning mal and then made her forget her emergency procedures,, reminded me of a lady who sued a boot manufacturer cuz she got frosbite on her feet,, the fact she took them boots way up on Mt McKinley in sub zero temps had nuthin ta do with it.. guess it depends on how much personnal responsibilty your willing to assume,, I'm not reffering to stable injured jumpers I guess,, I'm reffering to the few who would be veggies in the 20-30 minutes you refer to,, and then again here that doesn't mean neccesarily ALS personnel,, so if some cheesy lawyer wants ta try and get $$ from me let him try,, I wouldn't even hire another attorney to represent me,, some states are getting it set up that $$ lost in frivolous lawsuits can be reclaimed against the suing party and I think that is really needed in the US,, but you definately have some points the DZO's should look into,, like how much responsibilty do they legally have to an injured jumper,, I know our little DZ is already bothered by the waivers not standing up in court and how ta protect themselves,, this was a major discussion I believe in the conferance for DZO's couple months ago in CA and is a shared concern for many,, so I guess it is up to each of us ta do what they are comfortable with,, and like Kel is doin ta be as prepared as possible,, but the best thing is ta be safety conscious from the start and do the things like pin checks etc,, prevention ya know,, OK now I'll shut up for a while and see if there are any legalease speakin lawyers with some input into these issues,,, Billy

Hmmm.. OK I gotta ask Karen,, whats the unclbenie handle mean?? Theres a story there right!??,, Ya make some good points,, I've done some mediacal-legal consulting also,, so the defense Atty doesn't waste his time on a case I din't think would stand up in court,, the Good Sam laws don't cover "paid" professionals,, for that ya fall under your medical director, protocols etc,, the good sam laws cover me on my own time acting within my training and with the equiptment availabe is that not correct?? If a DZ new that folks were pilfering supplies ta drink beer, make bongs etc,, than ya that would be gross negligence on their part and grounds for a lawsuit,, Kel's suggestion of keeping that stuff away from folks, in a locker or in Manifest area,, and I would suggest also having that "kit" clipped or tagged so ya would know if someone got into it,, know what I mean? I don't go to the DZ either as a designated medical person,, it's my day off and I'm there ta jump.. but if one of my fellow jumpers were injured I would want the stuff I needed to do BTLS, not necessarily ALS or ACLS,, I'm sure ya've seen MD's RN's etc at the scene of a trauma and they can't perform for squat because they are otta there element, no lab work, X-ray, forget sterile fileds etc,, and it's just them,, not what they are used to,, I would rather have an excellant EMT than an uncomfortable RN or MD workin in the field with me any day,, at work when confronted with an MD o/s who wants to direct pt care and do things that I don't feel comfortable with I have to advise him that I don't agree and if he/she want's to assune medical control he has to fly in with us and take full responsibilty for that pt,, they usually back down at that point,, OK now I'm babbling!! Gotta get some sleep!!! : ) Billy

LOL!! Loved the drunk guys takin each other out!! Hope your friend was ok!? Ya Bill the Good Sam law protects us like Kel said as long you don't go beyond your skill level,, and actually ya can be taken ta court but as long as I been doin this there hasn't been one case won,, the things they have ta prove are again gross negligence as a result of an act, or an omission of an act,, I can get in trouble more easily if someone there is hurt,, people know what I do,, and I fail to act to the best of the circumstances, and that results in harm to the pt... Hay Kel ya ever hear of a V-Vac?? Hand held disposable pump unit,, cheep and may be able to get a couple donated by an ambulance or purchased by the DZ. Check with the guy that gets your supplies for the ambulance... Blues Billy

Howdy, Sorry Albatross not me,, haven't been ta Perris,, yet!! Like Kel thought of a couple more things,, AOL keeps punting me off if I type too long and try ta look "proffesional",, Suction equiptment,, ya ever tried ta manage an airway of someone with facial fractures who is unresponsive? ABC's and all,, at safety day we told the folks if this was a prob to log roll so fluids drain out and get help fast,, another thing we have ta deal with is the DZ local EMS ambulance folks are volunteer,, so from time of injury to a BLS rig showing up can be almost 15-30 mins,, the local ER there is no bigger than an average bedroom and they fly out all critical pts,,the helo can be on scene in 15 mins IF available,, Ya my point on the other thing was even if the ALS folks are in the plane they are still easy to get hold of and can get to the pt before any local response,, Hay Kel ya motivated me ta get in touch with them and talk about some of these issues!! Way ta go Girl!! We don't have tree's really at our DZ but I hadn't thought of roofs etc.. did a climbing accident this weekend and it was very eye opening to see the differance between rec climbing and the logistics of a rescue,, different hardware for the heavy loads etc... (I'll send ya a couple picts asap) Soft Landings!! Billy

Excellant Thread,, Just a couple thoughts,, Kel youre awseome! Ya ever wanna move ta Spokane and don't have an armload of recommendations I'll pull some strings!! Our DZ is 30 miles from the closest trauma center,, we have several flight crew RN's, RRT/EMT-P's, an MD, and an OR RN who jump and at least one is there almost every weekend, in addition to the BLS supplies we've also "obtained" equiptment for doin intubations, cric's, chest darts, central lines and fluids,, our EMS helo # is on all the phones and on safety day we stressed anyone can make the call for help,, the DZ lat/long and contact freq and phone # is on file, some basic airway mangement was discussed,, but Kel I am impressed with your "drill's" and etc to get folks thinking along the right lines!! When I worked Ski Patrol we offered discount tickets to local ER MD's, RN's, EMS personnel etc if they checked in and would respond if we needed help,, I would think a DZ is easier ta get them to the site than at a ski area,, anyone know of any DZ that does this?? 2 cents Blues!! Billy

Yo SpeedRacer! This bites,, I have major allergies and with the nice weather it's part of the Spring thing,, 1st a tip,, then a ?? Make sure your well hydrated,, beers, coffee, soda doesn't count,, they all make ya piss more and dry ya out even worse,, ya need moist "mucuous" membranes,, ya should be pissin clear at least once a day from just good ol H20,, simple flight physics,, as ya go up the air in your sinuses expands and vents easily out via them lil tubes,,even when congested,, but if your dry them tubes collapse very easily and it's definately worse on the descent,, ya create a vacuum in your head!! Ya no shit!! And believe me it's much harder to equalize but the same techniques help,, ie hold your nose and blowin etc,, but the sinuses, especially the ones behind your eye's are deep and harder ta do that to,, ??? Do ya jump with a full face helmet?? my bud never had probs with his ears till he got one and now he has ta pop his face shield and pop the ears as soon as he's done doin the control checks,, it's nuthin abnormal in most cases,, do ya have trouble with high Mtn passes?? My sinuses are like an altimeter and have ta be popped every 500 ft,, up and down when they act up,, I fly an open face helmet and never had ta pop ears after a jump,, just a thought,, good luck!! Blues,,, Billy

Hay Frank! That friend of mine's brother I was tellin ya about, his name is Tim Hutchings and he lives in Vancouver,, sounded like he has ~200 jumps or so,, my guess is he's like 5'8 and close to 100 kilo's, dark hair,, early 40's late 30's,,, sound familiar?? Billy

Sorry Frank!! Gotta work that weekend,, probably a good thing tho,, last time North was almost,, well ok was, thrown outta the bar!! Can ya believe that shit! All I did was try ta take some photo's,, musta been the flash!!,,, Ya'll have sensitive eye's there or what?? Hay I may know someone who lives in Victoria and jumps a lot when in town,, geologist and travels often,, old friends with his sister and will get back ta ya on that,, we just got back in touch and I'm talkin to her 'bout doin at least a tandem here,, maybe another when her bro is in town,, I'll let ya know,, Have fun in Kamloops,, hay ain't that a fish?? Blues! Billy

Hay Thanks Donna!! That link worked and ya that's what I was lookin for!! I'll have to print it out and post it at our little DZ!!! Wingnut I noticed our 182 hardly ever got above 80 knots,, but think I'll do some bodywork anyway!! Let ya'll know when I gotta buy beer for my first Bat Dive!! Blues,,, Billy

Way ta go JKA!! I knew it wouldn't take long after Sangiro let ya outta the basement!! Gotta Love ya!! Congrats!! We get ta see your name in the next Parachutist!! Hay Carrie loved your Silicon speel,,, I have this fear of drowning,, low body fat and sink like a rock,, so if I got some rad pects implanted, and got knoced out in the water skiing or whatever, I would float face up??,, Sweet Dreams,, Soft landings and Blue skies!! Billy

Tee hee my ass!! Cmon Bud!! Ya have a pict and pointers or what!!

Thanks Donna!! But the link didn't work,,, Probably just my POS PC!! Yo Wingnut!!!! Hay Hello!! maybe I need ta knock louder next time!! Thanks for the info Amigo!! Cheers and Blue Skies,, Billy

Yo Wingnut!! Hay I did my first jumps today outta a C-182,, ya I know beer!! I was thinkin,,, wasn't it you that has that special move gettin your feet on the leading edge a the wing and hangin there upside down?? I thought of that goin ta altitude and told some a the folks on the jump about it,, they never heard of anyone doin that,, ya have a pict right? Send me or post it here so I can see it,, and also any pointers on how ya do it!! Do ya really have ta have that special shoe glue or is that an optional accessory?? Thanks Bro!! Blues and Sweet Dreams! Billy PS,,, I paid my taxes this year so ya should get paid OK,, have a long cold one on me!!

Howdy,,, in my AFF jumps,,, #6 I think,, I was really slow pullin my main cuz i was in a slow spin,, got reamed by my AFF instructor for not pullin when I was 'sposed to,, he was about ta fly in and pull for me,, I pulled at like 1800,, a friend of mine was takin video and she pulled at ~1500,, her Hubby reamed her,, we both learned a good lesson!! By the time the chute opened it was get set up for approach and landing,, little time for any emergency procedures,, At our Saftey Day we decided to keep helmets and seatbelts on until 2000 AGL,,, that if we (7 Skydivers) all tried to get out below that the CG of the plane would get AFU'd and make the situation worse,, we fly a Cessna 207 with a turbine,, door at the back and we all huddle towards the front at takeoff,, if we all went for the door the plane could stall and then who knows,,, so below 2000 it's up to the pilot ta save our sorry asses,, gotta trust someone eh!! Did that answer the question?? What was it anyway??? Prayin for Blues Skies!! Billy

Hay FFF and Wingnut,, Here's our forecast,, today,,, scattered snow and showers,, but for Easter Sunday looks like Lummy's Sunshine will pay a visit!! Scattered clouds, no rain or snow, and Sunshine!! Wahhhooooo!! Hope ta get some jumps in!! So if it ain't too late call off the troops and watch out for hot doggin Chinese pilots everyone!! BLUE SKIES!!! Billy

Howdy BillyZ from plane ol Billy!! Ya that Gal ya got must be special,, she's always braggin on ya!!! Hope the 2 of ya the best and look forward ta hearin more from ya!! And if we ever get together the beers on me!! Blues Skies to ya both!! Billy

Holy Smokes!! Who knew WWW III was gonna start between the USA and Canada over Skydivers wantin to get a few jumps in!! What have I done??? Lummy thanks sweety,,, better do it quick before it's tooo late!! Ya Frank,, the power company is offering $460 an acre for the farmers in the Colmbia basin not to irrigate the fields this Summer,, some of the richest soil in the Country,,, we could be patient I 'spose,, few million years most a Cali will be in Canada anyway and then you can deal with them!!

Hay Lil Leapin Froggie!! Ya made look!! Again,, now I think ya should post a pict with your gifts!!!

Hay Gorgeous!! Sorry I'm so slow,, I shoulda let Sangiro know it wouldn't a worked out a long time ago!!! But it sounds like ya made the best of your time in the basement,, So have ya taken that A test yet??? Welcome back,,, now stir things up!!! We all missed ya!!! Easy Openings, Soft landings, and Sweet Dreams!! Billy