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I see no evidence of print powder on the card..

Cossey.

Not giving up much... Coffelt, Coffelt, Coffelt... They reveal the placard location blueprints but they are unreadable.. Previous files said the placard was on the outside..

Himmelsbach book p 48 Rataczak flew plane by hand the entire trip from Seattle, not wanting.. automatic pilot. Rataczak was flying, not Scott.

Lawyers, never answer a question.. If you don't care about the DZ or flightpath than why are you here.. What is your interest or goal for this case. You know, agenda?

My agenda is the truth,, What is yours?

Everyone has an agenda..

All I know is that my jump scenario fits all the evidence/information.. I don't have to reject multiple claims by Rataczak, I don't have to move the flightpath, I don't have to shift the map times, I don't have to reject the oscillation/bump conclusions by the FBI, I don't have to redefine the term suburb.... and that gives me a 90% confidence that Cooper jumped between the Lewis and about Battleground.. but most likely close to the 8:11-8:12 + /- marks on the "FBI" map. I have seen no evidence that this can't be correct. and I have studied many alternate scenarios but have always come back to this one.

You are overcomplicating this. Campbell wanted to get from Rataczak where he believed Cooper jumped. He asked about the oscillation. This was the presumed jump time. Rataczak only had two parameters, before and after the oscillations. Those events that could be time checked and narrow down Cooper's jump time. First, the last comm with Cooper at 8:05. Ratascak did not know about the 8:10-12 times at this point. He knew Cooper was on the plane during that last Comm. and the call to Soderlind which was shortly after the jump/oscillation and he thought would be time stamped. He believed it was 5-10 minutes later in the suburbs. These two events could be time checked to narrow down Cooper's jump. He just conveyed those two parameters... Rataczak may not have even known the 8:05 time exactly, it could have been added by Campbell, but he knew that Cooper jumped in between those two events.

You are having your cake and eating it too... If the suburbs from a jet could be all of Clark County then the term suburb in regards to Cooper's jump is meaningless.. If he claimed Cooper jumped in the suburbs aka Clark County then that also supports the 8:10-8:12 jump.. People are using the suburb comment to move the jump further South from the 8:10-12 time. He also said before "Portland proper"... I believe the suburbs meant Battleground to Vancouver..

The FBI scenario is wrong.. the map time is wrong and multiple claims from Rataczak are wrong. It is almost like a Beyesian analysis.. the better a theory fits the evidence the more likely.. the more rejected the less reliable. We don't have all the facts so we are trying to get to the truth by applying probabilities to the information/evidence we have.

Sure, he was trying to pinpoint the oscillation, the presumptive jump time. He clearly gave a parameter, that is the only references he had. The last contact and the Soderlind call. None of this in quotes. so it is Campbell's paraphrasing. We know Rat said Cooper jumped about 25 miles N of Portland. That doesn't match the suburbs.

It was 5-10 mi after 8:05.. before the call. I don't agree with your minute adjustment to the map.. but I do think there is a 1 minute + - error rate in the "FBI" map. Look at the spacing between the minute plots, the gaps between the plots are nowhere close to consistent as you would expect for a jet.. Your 8:15-8:16 DISTANCE is EQUAL TO 8:16-8:18 , DOUBLE THE DISTANCE. This is impossible. Jet didn't go double the speed. that spacing indicates that those plots are not very accurate. When I did an analysis I found that the plots were very off but that they equalized over distance.. meaning that individually they are imprecise but over distance the aircraft speed is consistent. The plot distances all average to an accurate speed but individually are off. The missing 8:04 doesn't change the speed over distance, that tells us it is a rounding artifact, not a missing time. When you look at 7:59 - 8:03 the spacing is significantly larger than it should be relative to other spacing before and after.. 8:07 - 8:08 is way off Clearly the plots are not precise times but rounded off to the minute.. and that rounding happened to go down for 8:03 then up for 8:05.. The missing 8:04 is caused by rounding not an error in the subsequently marked numbers. My approach is to try to fit a likely scenario into all available information, a best fit thing. My jump scenario fits all the information without the need to reject anything. You rely on almost everything being an error or misunderstood.

Makes perfect sense. He is clearly giving a parameter for the jump/oscillations. Rataczak is giving a parameter from his perspective at the time, a range that Cooper jumped/oscillations.. Between last contact at 8:05... and the call to Soderlind. He knows he called Soderlind shortly after the oscillations/jump but doesn't know the exact time so he says 5-10 min later.. but the company should have the exact time logged. For years I did read it the other way because everyone else did but it all makes sense with Ratazcak's other statements and other case info. 805 last contact 810-12 oscillation/jump 813-15 (roughly) call to Soderlind in suburbs of Portland

That isn't what I see at all, the call was 5 - 10 minutes later which is corroborated by the suburbs of Portland statement. He is estimating the time of the call to Soderlind (5-10 min later)(shortly after the jump) then he says the exact call time should be logged. Clearly the the context is the time of call not the jump. 8:15 is roughly Battleground.. Elsewhere they used oscillations within 5-10 minutes from 8:05 because the call to Soderlind was the parameter until they examined all the comms. If the jump was at 8:10-12 ish as later determined it all matches up.. Rataczak also believed Cooper jumped 25 miles North of Portland

To pinpoint Cooper's jump, Rataczak is using a parameter between the last contact at 8:05 and the call to Soderlind. 5-10 minutes later in the suburbs of Portland. The call to Soderlind was after the jump and he believed time stamped so it does make sense as a parameter. I think the company log he is referring to is his comms patch to Soderlind at NWA,, we don't have that log but we know Soderlind was listening in and taking notes. 8:05 plus 10 minutes = 8:15,, that is the suburbs of Portland.

More than that, there is no baseline for the time on that tape.. that time is precise to the minute to that particular tape but how precise is the tape time. Rataszcak was explaining the time Cooper departed and that Cooper jumped between two parameters.. The last contact with Cooper at 8:05 and the Soderlind call 5 or 10 minutes later.. (8:10 - 8:15) in the suburbs of Portland. The exact time would be recorded in the company log... they had not yet reached Portland..

Precise to the minute time on that particular tape, not seconds... and the time may not be exactly correct. Comparing these timestamps is like herding cats.. they use different devices and recording methods, they are not synchronized with each other. How do you get an oscillation report at 8:10.. the timing device isn't precisely set or rounding to the minute. No way any of these times can be taken as "precise" to actual world atomic clock time. Ratazcak said he contacted Soderlind in the suburbs of Portland.. 5-10 minutes after the oscillations/bump..

Those times are not precise,, they are obviously rounded or concatenated to the minute and from different recording sources/methods.. The oscillation reports range from 8:10-8:13... The timestamp is after the event is experienced and communicated. So, you have a slight error in the reporting times and a 1 minute error on the map,, this compounds the timing error. Oscillations were pressure fluctuations visually seen by the rapid increase in needle movement on the gauge,, the bump was felt during an extreme pressure fluctuation. The time was brief. Other pilots with 727 jumpers also felt the pressure bump. Soderlind was contacted (5-10 min later) while 305 was in the suburbs of Portland according to Rataczak. Soderlind was taking notes the entire time but we don't have them. So, now put the 8:09/10 FDR "little bob" in context.. if that was Rataczak correcting due to the pitch caused by Cooper now at the bottom of the stairs,, Cooper jumps in under 2-3 minutes..

Not really an argument,,, a discussion. This is the nature of this crazy case, we have overwhelming uncertainties, actually very few hard facts.. We all evaluate the information through our own experiences, history and logic to make sense of it.. that is why I said I am at 90% confidence,, Hearing different views and info can make your own view stronger or change it.. This is my evaluation,, if Rataczak did or didn't ask ATC to mark their radar,,, the timeline would be the same. It isn't pertinent. I believe Cooper jumped between the Lewis R and roughly Battleground with the highest probability right in between,, diminishing as you go north or south.

The date doesn't make it false. Rataczak is quoted.. He re-iterated in the (1996) video and later. So, it is 100% not a media error. The FBI 302 is the strongest evidence against however it is not Ratazcak speaking but an agent taking notes then having them written up later.. essentially hearsay. He could have been referring to the crew pinpointing their location at the time of the bump/oscillation.. not ATC marking it.

This was 1996.. Rataczak was flying and contacted ATC... There was a gap in the ATC transcripts due to the frequency error.

I should clarify, this video was in a 1996 news broadcast.. The clip of Rataczak was undated and could have been from earlier, he retired in 1999. His wife passed away last November.. http://pcnflightwest.blogspot.com/2022/11/judy-rataczak-wife-of-nwa-capt-bill.html

Right, Spangler did it manually with an error of 1 mile, then later a computer was used with an accuracy of 0.5 mile..

Sage doesn't use GEOREF as a primary system, it tracks flying objects.. in 3 dimensional space.. extremely accurate. GEOREF is a ground locating system with only lat/long... 2 dimensions on ground and less accurate. So, the Sage data had to be converted to GEOREF (ground) at some point to mark a map. https://code7700.com/pdfs/usaf/afm_51-40_navigation.pdf https://ed-thelen.org/comp-hist/FST-2_for_SAGE_p156-Ogletree.pdf https://ed-thelen.org/comp-hist/CasteelSageRecollections.html