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This sums it up,,, even if the FBI had Cooper they couldn't make a case without his cooperation. Limited physical evidence and weak eyewitness identification... From the FBI files.. "During a conference in San Francisco in April, 1976, several West Coast pivision case agents and the Bureau supervisor at that time reviewed captioned investigation. A memorandum from that conference reported that there were no quality suspects at the time and only limited physical evidence. Eyewitness identification was considered weak at that time. Nearly 10 years have passed since that conference. The conference came to the conclusion that "if COOPER was to surrender to authorities now or in the near future, it would be extremely difficult to make the case if he was uncooperative.”"

Cooper was universally described as Latin/Mexican/Native Indian (blood)... Both in appearance and features,, If your suspect doesn't appear "Latin" and "swarthy", he isn't Cooper. That alone eliminates nearly all of the higher profile suspects.

Robert, you made claims that are false.. you made claims that have no evidence, you made claims contrary to what I have already posted. These are beyond opinion. KC is named in the FBI files, the most recent one. #51.. I already mentioned that here you missed it I guess. In the mid 90's. I have the name of the US official... I don't give all the details because I have far too much information to post on a forum. I was making a broad point. Hahneman was not a copycat, he was labelled one and that false label enabled people to dismiss him as a Cooper suspect for almost 50 years. You have promoted a fallacy, an assumption, that if the FBI looked at Hahneman or any suspect and since he wasn't charged then he wasn't Cooper... there can be many reasons a person isn't ultimately charged. That is where I started,,, asking the question, was Hahneman ever eliminated and if so why. I can't find any reason for Hahneman to be eliminated, from the FBI or my own research. KC named in the FBI files 1996.. there are more pages in there. Hahneman is in the Cooper docs but redacted... So, by your (false) logic KC was known to the FBI but not charged so he wasn't Cooper.. right. Somebody in 1996 pushed the KC was Cooper narrative.. was that one of your sources, recognize the hand writing, from Morris MN (1996), did they disclose this to you.

Robert, you just have so many inaccurate assumptions.. stop making up stuff. Cooper's comments don't indicate he was FROM PNW. He was familiar. Hahneman was military and flew frequently to SE Asia. I have a record of him flying NWA into Seattle. You don't need to be from Seattle to know McChord.. Most military aircrew would know McChord.. White guy,, I explained this before,, you ignore it. Latin people were referred to as white back then, the terms "latino/hispanic" were widely adopted later. Hahneman described himself as white, dark skin. The witnesses described Cooper as "Latin/Mexican/Native American (Blood) in appearance and features. The FBI docs are riddled with those descriptions, it is irrefutable. Hahneman chose a plane to hijack in the NE because it was short, less likely to have Sky Marshall's and less crowded. He went to Mexico, had the plane fly a loop over Honduras, jumped and the plane landed back in Mexico. That was far too. According to a US official Hahneman had planned his hijacking for a year.. pre-dating Cooper. He was no "copycat". Hahneman moved to the US when he was 12.. became a naturalized US citizen and was 49 during NORJAK. I never claimed he wasn't investigated for NORJAK, you just made that up. I know he was but I also know the FBI claimed he returned from his job in the Far East in Jan 72,, but that is completely false. I don't know if they are lying or incompetent. I don't know that they eliminated him but if it was based on that, they were wrong. I do have FOIA docs on Hahneman and lots of information. Hahneman was not talking and he had people in very high places intervening. The FBI has redacted Hahneman from the Cooper files even though he died long ago, they didn't redact KC, Rackstraw, McCoy and many others.. Why, if he died and was eliminated, why redact. But the most interesting thing about Hahneman is that he fits Cooper better than any suspect yet there is nothing about him from the FBI. There is a ton on other high profile eliminated suspects but not Hahneman... nothing.

There is a MEX theory, mine... and the FBI considered a Mexican connection. There is no evidence for a ruse that is just conjecture. Cooper was Latin/Mexican.. the elephant in the room everybody conveniently ignores.. He demanded NO US stops for a reason.., he didn't want to be on the plane when it landed. Being on the plane for a landing with the money and no passengers is a big risk.

The only reason he demanded Mex nonstop in US was because he thought it was possible.. No way he makes a demand that he knows is impossible and would be 100% rejected by the pilots. If he just wanted the plane heading South he didn't have to demand nonstop in US.. he could have picked many southern US cities. The tell is that he changed his demand once landing in Reno was in play. He adapted and wanted out ASAP.. Tina claimed the hijacker put on the backpack after the passengers left but before the other stews left... Flo stated she heard Mexico, San Francisco and Phoenix discussed.. then the hijacker put on the backpack.. It is fuzzy but seems to indicate Cooper put on the back pack during the destination negotiations with the crew. Reno wasn't confirmed yet but a landing in the US was.

I just wanted to clarify that your statements were correct but not incompatible with my Mex theory. The false impression from the show was that you refuted it by stating Cooper's actions.

Your statement on the show was correct, the evidence you gave applied after the crew negotiation, Reno was in play and Cooper changed his demand. It is not incompatible with my argument... you didn't actually make an argument against it but your statement suggested to the host Cooper's actions negated my argument. It didn't. It is compatible. So, everyone listening is left with the impression you refuted my argument with the evidence you gave, it didn't. That is what I mean by mischaracterization.

Heard Marty Andrade's interview,,, https://www.spreaker.com/user/afterhoursam/after-hours-am-christopher-balzano-haunt RE: Cooper wanting to go to Mex... Marty disagreed with my theory that Cooper wanted to go to Mexico... but mischaracterized the argument. He correctly stated the desire to jump ASAP but all that occurred after the negotiations for Reno. My argument is that Cooper initially wanted to jump South of the US border but when Reno was in play he wanted to jump ASAP.. Cooper initially demanded to go to Mex and no landing in the US for any reason. Why would he make this demand if he knew it would be rejected? He wouldn't.. Cooper believed the plane could make it to Mexico to refuel. Mazatlan was mentioned in docs as a potential fuel stop. Cooper initially demanded that the airstairs be lowered in flight. He changed that during negotiations with the crew, it isn't clear who instigated it but the crew was trying to get Tina off the plane. Why change his demand? Cooper was not dressed for the PNW climate. Cooper asked for "US" and "American" currency. Cooper was described as Latin/Mexican appearance and features. When the Reno landing came into play, Cooper wanted out ASAP. Cooper gave no heading, his LZ was not planned. It was ad hoc. He did not jump where he had initially planned to. There is no evidence Mexico was a ruse. Everybody still thinks Cooper's initial demand was airstairs down on takeoff, this is 100% false. A game changer. Why change the demand once Reno was in play.. because he didn't want to be on the plane when it landed as that would be where the authorities would be set up. The circumstances changed and Cooper adapted. If Cooper jumped where he initially planned (or close) then why did he change his demand when Reno was in play... it doesn't make sense.

New FBI file up #51 https://vault.fbi.gov/D-B-Cooper /d.b.-cooper-part-51-of-51/view Interesting one,, in mid 90's. Tipster's give Duane Weber (Jo's stories) and Kenneth Christiansen (?) also Robert Rackstraw mentioned.. all named in the files. The cigarette butts were considered for DNA but it was discovered they had been destroyed years earlier in Vegas, not lost.

Here, the FBI finds out from an AP reporter (Clossey) who spoke to Cossey on the 25th that the reserve chute was for demonstration only.. It was Cossey's dummy chute, he stated it had an X with red closing flaps. The X with red flaps falsely morphed into a red X first appearing on DZ. The FBI probably held back the markings on the dummy chute in the files to be able to identify it. The reporter got a hold of Cossey on the evening 25th before the FBI could after trying all day. Emerick grabbed old chutes he never expected back.. the missing dummy probably had an X (black) with red closing flaps.

There was no red X.. this reports an X with red closing flaps.. Still hard to believe Emerick didn't notice that it was a dummy chute. https://uspa.org/p/the-secrets-of-db-cooper-part-one-notorious-flight-305 "Belly-Mount Reserves Investigators also discovered that in his rush to grab the rigs, the skydiver in the loft accidentally grabbed the drop zone’s dummy reserve, marked with a large “X” and red closing flaps. The DZ used the dummy reserve for students to practice deploying the reserve by scooping the canopy out of the container and throwing it in the air and over their heads. Cossey explained, “For the dummy rig, I cut the reserve in half and sewed the panels together so that when the student threw it out, I could just fold it up and put it back in the container in half the time. That reserve was half the density of a regular reserve, and it was obvious to anyone with experience that it wasn’t a normal reserve.” Nonetheless, the regular reserve remained in the aircraft, and the dummy marked with an X was gone. Cossey personally thought Cooper removed the dummy reserve, stuffed the cash in its container and wore that on his chest as he jumped." Emerick's step daughter talks about the chutes, mentions the big X on one (no colour), Relevant part starts at 2:30 in video

Hahneman walked backwards down the 727 ventral stairs and went off back first at 9000 ft,, don't know when he pulled..

The tie plant theory is a common one that goes way back.. WE don't know if he discarded it intentionally, or accidentally.. I believe he used it to wipe prints in the plane but that is speculation.

Yes, Shutter you have missed the point, completely It only negates a premise used for an argument.. it doesn't make a positive argument for anything which you are assuming. You have always had trouble with logic. I am not making any argument other than the premise for Cooper "planting the tie" is busted. That is all... you have added the inverse and assumed an argument that isn't there.

Eric and Robert99 are still pushing these falsehoods... based on compounded assumptions represented as FACTS.. I have addressed these many times and they just get ignored... It is not a fact that the placard came from inside 305... unlikely but possible There is no evidence the other part found was from 305... The wind at the Placard find around 8 PM was S recorded at Toledo.. The winds aloft at the placard find from SW is NOT A FACT. There is no record. Even the winds the FBI used for the LZ was an estimate, even that was not a fact. The flightpath was not the F-106, they turned E too late and did loops. The western flightpath theory is conjecture, assumptions and rejection of known facts. There is really ZERO to support it. ZERO, it is just made up.

Tom and I got the same slope for TBAR... about 10%. 5.5-5.7 degrees That puts the money spot about 4 ft above the river in Feb 1980. Less if buried. The money spot is reached by seasonal water level fluctuations. You don't need the 72/74 flood event to reach the money spot. The seasonal high flow for the Columbia is Spring. Money found along high water line.. said right at beginning

Shutter, you keep stating the obvious.. The point is ONLY to asses the argument that the "tie was planted" because Cooper was meticulous with evidence.. He was not. The premise for that argument is false.

Tina admitted she was handed ransom money.. The stews said all were offered tip money from the drink change. There are a few reports that Flo and Alice were also offered ransom money as they left. They all claimed the money was refused or returned in Tina's case. It would not have been a crime to take the money if they turned it in, they should have taken it for potential prints. It is actually something that happens often, hijackers give money to crew and sometimes passengers. It compromised them as witnesses. Tina had a huge bag and coat if she did keep the money it could have easily been concealed. Being religious is irrelevant. Maybe she kept the money handed to her then was scared to turn it in naively thinking she would be in trouble, she wouldn't have been. If she didn't turn it in right away she had to keep it eventually discarding it.. If Tina did keep the money she would be compromised as a witness.

No, Shutter you still don't get the point.. It only addresses the "tie was a plant" argument. The standard argument claims Cooper was so careful about all the evidence he must have planted the tie. He wouldn't have been so sloppy to leave it.. Well, handing cash to the stews which could have his fingerprints isn't careful and meticulous. If he was sloppy with the money he could have been sloppy with the tie.

FBI files state his initial demand was changed and the radio transcript confirms it.. Cooper's initial demand was airstairs to be lowered in flight.. it was changed when they were negotiating to land in Reno. The argument that Cooper wanted to jump ASAP is based on his demanding the airstairs down on take off.. << this premise is often repeated and it is false with respect to his initial plan. There is no evidence to indicate his initial plan was to jump ASAP.. When Reno was in play he wanted out ASAP.. If Cooper's initial plan was to jump ASAP he could have initially demanded airstairs down on take off.

Here is a similar bogus argument.. Everyone, including myself believed Cooper wanted to jump ASAP because he demanded airstairs down on takeoff.. But, as clearly laid out in the FBI files his initial demand was airstairs lowered inflight, he changed it during negotiations with the crew.. Since his plan A was airstairs lowered inflight that indicates he did NOT want to jump ASAP or near Seattle. The conclusion that he wanted to jump ASAP at least initially is busted. Once the plane was going to land in Reno he wanted out ASAP.. Authorities would have mobilized on Reno. That tells us he jumped into an area he had not planned.

Shutter responded... "It was Cooper's money? of course his prints would be found on any of it he touched prior to or after exiting the plane..plus dozens of other prints would be found on the money since it was in circulation prior to being stored at the bank..does't mean any good prints would be found or even able to link to him.." This is why I lose patience with that forum, Shutter completely missed the point. The point isn't whether prints could be found or not on money, the point is Cooper took the risk... and because he took that risk with the money it contradicts the argument that he was meticulous about evidence (clearly he wasn't) and could have only left the tie as a plant. It tells us that the tie plant theory based on Cooper's thoroughness with evidence is bogus. That is all.

I know Eric claims the placard came from next to the bulkhead door but that is impossible, there is not enough room between the access panel and the door on the 727-100,, maybe there is more room on the 727-200, I am not sure.. further the emergency release is too far from that location and behind its own panel. So, the claim that it was attached next to the bulkhead door is false for NORJAK's 727-100. It is not a fact that the placard came from NORJAK.. I think it is very unlikely based on many factors but it is possible.. even the FBI walked it back.

He demanded the notes and matchbook back so many infer he was meticulous about prints and argue he would never leave the tie evidence and therefore it was a plant.. The fact that he handed out money and left cigarette butts refutes that level of meticulousness.. and the main argument for the plant theory.