FLYJACK

Seems really odd doesn't it... I have an answer for it but just not ready to make it public.

Disagree with the argument based on other things he left. He wasn't so careful. That keeps getting repeated but it isn't true. Cooper left his drinking glass, magazines, handed money to the stews, left his cigarettes, cut up chute.. all potential print ID. He only really took the notes. The matchbook he took had notes written on it. In 1971 forensics, there wasn't an expectation that they could link the tie to anyone like today. Granted, we don't know where the tie came from but the fact that he left it doesn't support the argument it wasn't his. Hahneman also left a tie behind on his plane..

The tie particle matrix resembles.. Best.. Dentistry,, prosthetics Electronics industry Weaker.. Medical Maybe it is all three, maybe none.

All gone..

Only 1 left... (I bought one earlier but haven't received it yet) NORTHWEST AIRLINES D.B.COOPER HIJACKING! NWA HISTORY CENTER DVD TOLD BY COPILOT! (Bill Rataczak) https://www.ebay.com/itm/303269552131?ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT&_trksid=p2060353.m2749.l2649

yes,, but there was never any evidence to support Sheridan as Cooper except his jump skills.

Wow, Eric Ulis finally admitted what everyone else knew,, Sheridan Peterson wasn't Cooper.

The 727-100 stair operation is different from the 200... To lower the stairs the handle on the 100 is moved from the up detent pushed outward and a button on the top is pressed simultaneously. The 200 has no button. There are two lights in the cockpit, a green means locked down and an amber means the handle is moved from the up detent and unlocked. The green light never came on. The crew reported an airstair light on at 7:42, that indicated Cooper moved the handle from the up detent. It does not mean the stairs are opened, only that the handle is moved. Tina claimed she saw the red (amber) airstair light flash sometime later before Cooper's 8:05 comms. The Boeing test indicated the airstairs were successfully opened and retracted at speeds up to to 300 knots. NORJAK was well below that so it wasn't the speed. Conclusion,,, Cooper did not have trouble with the stairs due to the speed of the aircraft. It is likely he initially failed to continuously press the button on the top of the handle while moving it outward. At 7:42 Cooper moved the handle from the up detent and the airstair light was activated in the cockpit. Later, he called to have the plane slowdown. The airstair light flashed again in the cockpit sometime prior to 8:05, that can only happen if Cooper moved the handle back to the up detent position then forward again. Remember, the light is activated by the handle not stairs open... green light is fully extended and locked down, the stairs were never fully extended and locked down. This time he must have figured out to simultaneously press the button and move the handle to open the airstairs. Also, Anderson stated the oscillations were smoother after 8:05 and they slowed down the plane.. Cooper was likely standing on the stairs between 8:05 and 8:10/11. The sled test showed very little change on the gauges with a man standing on the stairs.

Q18: Is there anything else you consider significant to the question of where the hijacker jumped? A: It was very dark, with virtually no ground reference except when we got in the Portland area. We bounced around the clouds, with occasional breaks. The 727’s slipstream initially overcame the aft stairs hydraulic system. The stairs weren’t opening like Cooper needed. Cooper called me on the interphone while Tina was riding up front with us. Cooper had let Tina come to the front. He yelled, "slow it down!." I stated back to Cooper, "OK." And we did; we slowed the plane. The oscillations continued, as I remember, but were smoother and we hadn’t heard anything from Cooper. Bill called back to him (8:05) and he finally answered. He said everything was “OK”. More time passed. And then suddenly came that “bump”. After the final "bump" which we felt with our ears, we all discussed it for awhile, waiting for another bump. It never repeated, so we assumed that was his exit. But we discussed this among ourselves before notifying NWA. The truth is, we just didn't know for sure. I just don't recall how much time lapsed between feeling the final "bump" and reporting it to NWA via radio. That’s where the uncertainty has come from. But later we all thought that final bump was his exit. Oscillations were noticed before 8:05 (last comm with Cooper) and CONTINUED after 8:05.... A: That’s a good question because We all agreed that the gauges were detecting a disruption of airflow, most likely caused by Cooper testing out the aft stairs. But we all felt one physically distinguishable "bump" with our ears which came abruptly after we had been monitoring the gauges. We all felt it almost in unison, surprised, "there he goes!" It was the largest bump by far, an abrupt pressure change. We all thought he had exited the aircraft at that point, because the gauges never detected any further major airflow disruptions after that ‘thud’. The re-test duplicated the oscillations and the pressure bump exactly. A physically distinguishable bump came abruptly after they had been motoring the gauges (since 8:05).. Anderson also said they never detected any further major airflow disruptions after the thud,, not NONE. There were minor oscillations monitored before and after 8:05, the physical "bump" was "the largest by far"... A: Q5. Not really and it wasn’t exactly as you describe. These were minor oscillations. We detected on the gauges only. We just presumed pretty quickly that it was Cooper fiddling with the aft stairs but we weren’t one hundred percent sure because we were already flying dirty, with throttles up and fighting icing and weather. A lot going on and it wasn’t totally smooth even before the oscillations started. What we noticed was the pattern of the oscillations was continuing and there was a very minor disruption of the slipstream. Scott said at first he wasn’t feeling anything for sure, then a little later he thought there was more drag and the nose was deviating a little. When the final bump happened and the oscillations stopped that sealed it. But even then we weren’t sure and we waited before calling anybody. The context is the minor oscillations felt well before 8:11.... not at 8:11 At 8:11 the crew reported oscillations and fluctuations in the cabin... Anderson makes it clear there were minor oscillations well before 8:05 and after,, why report them at 8:11,, because they had increased in frequency and magnitude just like the sled test. At 8:11 it was felt in the cabin.... and NO, the story hasn't changed.

No NickyB, I am not banned from Shutter's forum.. Georger steals my material here and posts it there with falsehoods, lies and distortions added.. That forces me to correct the record.. otherwise Georger doesn't exist, his 15 minutes were up many years ago. He is toxic and irrelevant. If he wasn't stealing my stuff for half his posts he'd have nothing to add. As for the "pressure bump".. I examined the FBI analysis and evidence and could not dispute it. So, my conclusion is that it is correct. Nobody has come with any argument to challenge the FBI assessment, NOBODY. All you guys have tossed out are baseless opinions. You all claim the FBI got it wrong but nobody can show how or why... The western flightpath redux.. There has been no problem with others reposting stuff I have posted,, it is only Georger who consistently adds in lies, falsehoods and distortions... it is dishonest and misleading for Shutter's forum and the case in general. Georger blames me for his banning from DZ years ago,, I wasn't here then my father suddenly died I and took years off the Cooper case. I had no part in any banning, never saw it, wasn't aware and still don't know why. It is just another lie from the most toxic person in the Cooper world.

Better sled test image,,, nearly closed

Southern crews trained for drops.. can be opened in flight.

No Georger a week ago I said "within seconds, not minutes",,, You just falsely claimed I never gave a timeframe... you always get it wrong and mislead Shutter's forum.. I am not now saying it,, I have already said it. Both fluctuations and oscillations were reported at 8:11..

seconds not minutes.. fluctuations were reported at 8:11... \

I do remember reading somewhere that the stairs were modified for the stunt,, but I can't find it now. That may have been the case. If so, it wouldn't be a good representation of NORJAK. Also, the stunt was done at 140,, vs 170

No, the stairs aren't fully deployed... The railing support joint is just inside and angle of the hydraulics is shallower.. and you have two people going off the stairs.. but it is an interesting pic,,

We have to give NickyB credit for confirming with Langton that the 727 stairs were used for "agent" drops.. It was something everybody assumed but was never confirmed. They had the capability, you'd think they used it. From that, the idea that Cooper faked a bump and closed the stairs is not supported by the evidence,, there would have been a second bump and the airstair light in the cabin would have gone off after 8:11... Cooper believing the airstairs were operated from the cockpit, asking to be shown the operation and having trouble with them indicates he wasn't directly involved in any 727 "agent" drop but he could have been indirectly involved or heard about it.

Boeing report... No "excessive" cabin pressure transients were noted with the aft entry door open and the stair extended.

Georger is liar and fraud.. He lies and makes a false claim,, I never said this and don't believe it. "FJ is saying all vibrations and bumps can only happen when the stairs are at their fullest extent" Georger He uses his own manufactured false claim to attack and ridicule. "Thanks to FLY JACK we now have a brand new theory" Georger There is no new theory whatsoever, all I have done is agreed with the FBI jump analysis. For this, Georger needs to lie about my position to attack it because he has no argument against the FBI analysis. This is classic Georger, he has done this to others as well because he is incapable of synthesizing his opinion in an argument. He lies then uses that lie to prop up his opinion using ridicule. A complete fraud, an intellectual lightweight. NEVER EVER trust this guy on anything. I have caught him manufacturing case evidence just to win an debate.

Cooper didn't close the airstairs after the "8:11" oscillations/fluctuations/pressure bump/burp/bobble/packet/conniption... How do we know,, the airstair light in the cabin would have gone off after the 8:11 time.. the crew would have known.

Parachutist March 1981... Article on the Pursuit of D B Cooper jump. Last paragraph is interesting, the side canvas (not fibreglass Ulis) came loose and nearly took out Donnelly. NORJAK

So what if they don't have data above 7,000 ft, that DATA is what the FBI used to ESTIMATE the wind for Cooper's jump. That is the point. You don't have the radiosonde or any data for the 8:10/12 jump time and location. You are making irrelevant statements and ignoring the issue. It was ironic, when I pointed this out to Eric, he claimed the wind was accurate because the FBI used it.. to build his argument that the FBI got the FP wrong.. Then Eric mocked the idea that the wind could be slightly different 45 miles away (Placard find) and at a different time.

On the same level as Ulis's Sheridan narrative.. without the cow.. Here, fluctuations at 8:11..

Clearly, you are confused,,, That is the data the FBI used to ESTIMATE winds for the Woodland area.. that data is averaged over an hour 8-9 and far from the 8:10/12 LZ.. Therefore, the data may be accurate for Portland/Salem but not when it is applied to the 8:10/12 LZ. There is no data for the LZ. I am not making the claim, the FBI says right in that document how they came up with the SW wind estimate. My point is only that it is an estimate (proxy) and not a fact because the Portland/Salem data THEY used is averaged over an hour and too far from the 8:10/12 location.. You have been asked over and over FOR YEARS bay many people to come up with accurate wind data for the FBI jump location and you never have. You point to TK's wind data, it is less accurate for the LZ location than the FBI PROXY. You just fail to understand the source of the SW wind claim and that it is a (poor) estimate for the 8:10/12 LZ. All we can really say is that the wind was shifting between SE and SW around the 8:10/12 time and location.... even the FBI questioned the SW wind direction accuracy for the LZ. This is not disputable. They state it right there. ESTIMATE

Georger is still mumbling some incoherent nonsense.. The crew reported oscillations AND fluctuations and 8:10. Even Georger said fluctuations were pressure bumps. If you have a problem with the FBI analysis then articulate it and leave me out of it. Robert99,, You are wrong, you have been wrong for a decade.. I have posted the FBI docs and explained this for years but YOU and ULIS ignore it because you needed it for your placard calculation and the WFP narrative. The placard didn't come from inside NORJAK and the SW wind was not a fact, it was an estimate (FBI). The FBI files state (NOT ME) an AVERAGE of the two sets of data would give a close ESTIMATE of conditions at Woodland. An AVERAGE of the two sets of information for the times between 8:00 PM and 9:00 PM.. That means the FBI took the wind data for Salem and Portland between 8:00 to 9:00 PM AVERAGED it to create a proxy for the winds at Woodland, the search area. The problem is twofold,, Woodland is far from Portland and Salem and the winds were averaged over an hour timespan. They were shifting around, a single datapoint for an entire hour is an average. The winds at 8:11 can be completely different from 8:45. There is no data for the FBI LZ.. (about 8:11) They created a PROXY. It is not accurate to claim as fact the winds were from the SW at the 8:10-12 timeframe on the FP. Nearby wind data show it shifting between SE and SW.. IT WAS AN ESTIMATE and the TK wind data was too far from the 8:11 LZ location as well. Salem 72 mi away and Quillayute 165 mi away... "The two closest locations were Salem just south of Portland and Quillayute Bruce said was just west of Seattle. They launch twice a day at 5pm and 5am so that is the data we have. I had him pull a second random day Nov 11 for comparison and you can see that the winds then were actually east near the ground. Nov 24 looks pretty consistent all the way down but seems to be more southerly than we had estimated. Now you can do a proper analysis." Tom Kaye