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Everything posted by FLYJACK
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Have been trying to determine the model of the chute left on the plane and returned to Hayden.. I think it is a Pioneer P2-B-24...
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He would have been about 33.. That is the current record right from the FAA.. has to be the date first issued,, I can't find anything on expiring or renewing the Certificate. Maybe like a drivers license.. he also has a private pilot cert dated 1969.
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You are missing something... Cossey claimed and believed that the back chutes were his sent from Issaquah... not Hayden's.. this is explained earlier. The context is,, why would he maintain this error once it was self evidently false.
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The re-enactment was to take place early Jan '72... Cossey was being vetted to do the jump but it fell through and they used the sleds. But, Cossey was the FBI's go to guy for the chutes found over the years.. that makes him important and feeds his ego. If you read his statements to the FBI he didn't exactly lie to them, he was initially mistaken, then indirectly maintained that error.. he did claim he gave them his records but the FBI never got them.. though he lied directly to the media. Carr believed the back chutes came from Cossey's house, not sure if that came from Cossey or Carr assumed it. Bruce thinks Cossey was used by the FBI to spread a narrative... he flip flopped on whether Cooper survived the jump.. It seems that much later the FBI lost confidence in Cossey. bottom line is Cossey is completely unreliable and his description of Cooper's chute conflicts with the evidence. Did the FBI catch it or just cover it up as well? It seems odd that the FBI didn't catch Cossey's error.
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Here we go................... In Dec 1971 the cigarette butts were disposed of.. There is no way the FBI did not know this or could easily figure this out over 50 years. IMO, They destroyed the cigarette butts within weeks but could never admit it. FBI docs, Dec 9, 1971 Cigarette butts are Q1.. "disposition of Q1"
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Cossey was going to duplicate Cooper's jump.. that may be why he didn't correct his chute error.. It was all set up then fell through.. Could he have made it? "Oh yeah," Cossey insists, firmly.
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The smaller money frags are shown in the plastic cases.. but, there were some larger frags found.. at 1:30 in video Where did they go... perhaps they were distributed with the larger bill pieces...
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Breaking, dummy has been found...
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Cooper was told erroneously that the chutes were coming from McChord.. he was concerned about the delay and commented that the chutes shouldn't take that long from McChord. So, he believed they were coming from McChord, not Cossey or Hayden or any private rigger. I found Cossey's riggers registration.. April 14, 1971.. I doubt he was the only rigger in the area. Hayden's rigs were packed by Cossey May 21, 1971, 5 weeks after he got his Master Parachute Rigger certification. Maybe there was a lower level rigger cert, there is a senior rigger.. Cossey may have had a senior rigger cert prior. Certificate: MASTER PARACHUTE RIGGER Date of Issue: 4/14/1971Ratings: MASTER PARACHUTE RIGGER BACK CHEST SEAT Limits: SEAL SYMBOL HF9.
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Wrong,, Cooper thought the chutes were military ones coming from McChord. There is no relationship between Cooper and Cossey.
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Maybe, earlier during an active investigation, not now 50 years later.. Sometime in '72, the FBI narrative switched from Cooper was clever to he was not and died in the jump..
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Cossey was brought in by a "business associate" at Sea Tac.. it was a coincidence that he also packed Hayden's back chutes. "Earlier that evening, skydiver Earl Cossey, a master rigger, received a telephone call at home. The call was from a business associate who also happened to be the manager of Sea-Tac International Airport. The airport manager asked Cossey for two backpacks and two chest-mount reserves as soon as possible but could not disclose the reason he needed them. Cossey admits he wondered about the manager’s request, “But I trusted him completely and did as I was told,” he said. Cossey called his drop zone in Issaquah, Washington, and asked a person who was staying there to collect the rigs and hand them over to authorities. Police rushed the rigs in a patrol car from the drop zone to Sea-Tac International. Later that evening, Cossey heard on the news that there was a hijacking in progress. He was stunned at the revelation that this was why the authorities had asked for his parachutes. “I thought, ‘Oh crap! There go my parachutes!’ ” Cossey recalled. “I was just laughing at the stupidity of that guy and thought, ‘This guy’s nuts.’”
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Bruce Smith talked to someone who knew Cossey, he said he was a serial liar. He gets elevated if the chutes were his and not Hayden's..
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Here is what happened with Cossey and the chutes. Cossey was contacted at home and asked for chutes, all four. He said to get them from Issaquah. But, before Linn Emerick grabbed them the back chutes were secured from Norm Hayden who sent them in by cab. Linn Emerick was instructed to grab only the two front chutes needed.. he grabbed a good one and a dummy. So, Cossey believed on the night of the hijacking that the chutes were his form Issaquah. Cossey did not know Hayden's back chutes were used. The Hayden chute Cooper used was initially described as olive drab and tan cotton harness.. Cossey was contacted and was informed about the chutes left on the plane, he then described the missing back chute as his custom NB6, sage green nylon container/sage green nylon harness.. Cossey initially believed his chute was used but that error would quickly become self evident. Instead of correcting it, he told many lies to cover it up and never supplied his packing records. Now, the FBI was not only looking for the wrong chute based on the description from Cossey, they actually had the packing card but never realized it. It is possible Cooper's chute was found but rejected.. This interview with Cossey, explains it.. “The skydiver staying at the loft had grabbed two of my personal backpacks and two chest packs from the drop zone [Issaquah]. One was my B-4 sport rig and the other was my Pioneer NB-8, a Navy emergency chute used for pilots.” (this is the only time Cossey ever called the NB-8 a Pioneer) Cossey was wrong, they were NOT his personal chutes. The back chutes did NOT come from Issaquah with the chest packs, they came from Hayden. Cossey was wrong, they were NOT his personal chutes. Cooper's chute description from Cossey is entirely bogus.. his story shifted over time including claiming he sent the chutes from his home.. probably once it became public that only the chest chutes came from Issaquah and he claimed that he got back the chute left on the plane, he didn't, Hayden got it back. The FBI screwed this up for 50 years... what else have they screwed up.
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That interview exposed Carr's lack of up to date case knowledge.. not to blame him. Unless he has access to new files/info, he only has opinions. IMO, the FBI bias is to have Cooper die in the jump, that is why they didn't solve it. I give zero credibility for his "died in the jump" opinion, he has no evidence.
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Cooper's primary concern would that he had good chutes.. he checked the rigs and the cards. The one he took was a 1960, the one he left was a 1957... He probably just selected the newer one.
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Bruce Smith talks to Drew live Thursday,,
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On p.30 of Tosaw's book, he claims the first thing Cooper did was remove the packing card from the parachute pocket. Tina interview.. She also commented that he appeared to be completely familiar with the parachutes which had been furnished to him.
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Cossey never acknowledged Hayden and denied it.. He would have known soon after because it would have been obvious his chutes weren't used. Nobody would have to tell him, it would have been self evident.
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Yes, very likely. He wouldn't know. They never communicated. IMO, Cossey initially assumed his back chutes were used and gave the description of his NB6 back chute because all the chutes were initially to come from Issaquah, but when Hayden's chutes were acquired only the fronts were needed from Issaquah. Initially, Cossey was unaware that the back chutes came from Hayden. He must have learned of his error soon after but never corrected the record.. instead he spun lies over the years to maintain it. That included not giving the FBI his packing records because it would expose his error and lies.
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Welcome back Jerry, been a while.
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Ulis is claiming the bag was too small to tie the top with all the money in it and had to remove some.. to then put it in the dummy chute and secure to himself. Of course he is just making it up... Tina said when she returned with 2nd back chute, Cooper was cutting open one of the chest packs for the nylon cords, (good front chute). Cooper tied around the top of the bag and made a handle. So, Tina saw Cooper secure the money in the bag, she never mentioned the money being divided or separated to be placed in any other container... IMO, based on the fact that no parts of the dummy were found on the plane and it had no seal, was "soft" and appeared tampered with,, Cooper probably tossed it.
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It is unbelievable to me that the FBI could not read the packing card and did not get any parachutist to read it for them.. The chute left on the plane returned to Hayden. The data is above the line and above the corresponding label, The FBI thought the corresponding data was below the label.. example type was 226 according to the FBI,, it was the Serial No. not the type. Returned to Hayden in 1975. So, the card for SN 60-9707 must have belonged to the chute Cooper used.. Remember, the FBI could not get the chute packing records from Cossey (he knew he got the chute wrong) and did not figure out that they actually had the packing cards for both of Hayden's chutes packed same date May 21, 1971.
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Yes, they injected Cossey's (incorrect) description into that file.. This is Cossey's Cooper replica, a 28' Reliance..
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The chute #226 that Hayden got back, the one left on the plane is a 26'.. The 28' description for the chute Cooper used came from one unreliable source,, Cossey. There a few places where the #60-9707, 1960 back chute is called a 24' chute. It could be a typo that got repeated or it could be that the chute Cooper used was actually a 24' chute. Here, FBI doc describes property in evidence from the plane in Reno.. Back chute NB6 sage green/sage green was the one Cossey claimed Cooper used. (This description is wrong, how can they have the back chute Cooper used per Cossey.) Then it states a Pioneer #226, 26ft, 1957 etc,, that was the one returned to Hayden. It is tan cotton/sage harness. (Accurate) Then it states the 24ft #60-9707, 1960 Steinthal,,, (it says ID "cards" plural, in pocket) We don't know for sure, but if we just eliminate everything Cossey said about the chutes then the chute Cooper used was probably the 24' #60-9707, July, 1960 Steinthal. It is hard to separate Cossey's lies and errors within the FBI files.... Always keep in mind that the FBI 302's/files are investigative notes, not conclusions.