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Oh, PrairieD - If you don't have booties, then go ahead and hug the beach ball. Better yet - get booties. ... Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants

I have a hard time describing it, but once you are flying mantis, the slow fall position is a long flat board (not hugging the beach ball). I used to fall very fast, now my normal fall rate is right at 120 and my range is HUGE. I'd recommend a tunnel camp and have the coach emphasize this drill (aw Bill, that's your answer to everything) I'll try to describe - the hands/arms are out in front of you palms down. The legs are straight and the booties laid on the side (maximize the surface area) and the head is up and slipping air (this counters the tendency of the legs to send you into a forward track - the loss of air past your face is MORE than made up by the extra area you get from your legs). Very effective - remember, the legs are like 50% of your cross sectional area. Try to get someone who flies mantis (seriously) to show you. If you ask some old timer, you'll get the spiel about hugging the beach ball and then you'll have to unlearn that junk later. Edit: Sorry BikerBabe - I just don't agree with dearching and the flat technique -does- allow you to look up. (I did the dearch thing for 14 years - this is better. I wish I had a picture) I know this is on some other post somewhere...... good luck ... Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants

I was on a 10 way round about 12 years ago. We had high grips, the person to my right looked over and chuckled quietly. It must have traveled right down the burble of our arms and right into my hear. Clear as can be. Also, I've talked back and forth a couple times during 2 way horny gorillas (sit fly foot dock but lay back more). Sound travels in compression waves through the fluid (air), so the issue is there a big enough burble that the sounds travel to you vs getting "blown" away in the fall. Very freaky. ... Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants

Also, www.tunnelcamp.com ... Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants

Good idea, all the politicians - on both sides transported to some remote location. By the way, why did she snap? was it from the security arrangements? was it entirely unrelated to the Pres being there? (and by the way endangering her kids) nut job ... Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants

Come on, Skydyvr is being clever, give him some credit. You're so caught up in the political back and forth, you're missing the fun. And, you're not stupid, that's was a line from a Jim Carey (Cary?, Karey?) standup routine. ... Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants

See! Well, I stand by my comment . . . I am correct. Canada is directly east of the US. Apparently some people don't know where Alaska, some parts of Minnesota, Wisconsin, and Michigan are, etc (much of New England?). Just helping to translate for the stupid people. You know who you are. Or do you???? ... Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants

on www.skyleague.com As promised. On the 4-way forums, there is also a thread on busted inters which is informative. I don't recall info on omitted formations. ... Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants

whoops, already answered my own question (above example is only 1 point because the others didn't count as we never ever go to the top of 2) - so 3 is ok and a lot easier to deal with. ... Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants

When the J is used in scoring, it basically means that from what the judges see, they think you did what you were supposed to but because of video or some other reason they technically cannot see what they need to. Therefore giving the J doesn't add a penalty, it simply doesn't give you credit for what the judges cannot see. It comes down to interpretation by the judges. There can be a fine line between giving a J and giving an O in certain circumstances. Which I believe is part of what the tidbits is about on Omniskore in relation to what happened with Airspeed. Yeah, I understand how it works. I just don't think that J and O should result in different effects on your score. Is the cameraman on your team or not? I like the tidbits conclusion. You don't get the point, no additional penalties. If you purposely skip a point or transition, no points are scored until you get to that point the next time around. Either that, or say the cameraman is just there and let the judges 'interpret' is you busted or not. Personally, the more interpretation you take out, the happier people will be. That means one of three things: 1 - The J results in no points lost or deducted (doesn't make sense, can't see it = can't score it) 2 - The J results in loss of point + deduction 3 - O results in loss of point only. I like 3, but then whats to stop a team taking the draw E-2-16 and just diving E-E-E-E-E-E-E-E-E-E-E-E-E-E-E-E-E-E-E-E-E-E-E-E-E-E-E-E ??? So 2 is the only fair solution. (I like the slo-mo allowance also. Review it once at slow speed likely has much more accuracy than 2 or 3 runs at speed and won't take any longer.) For my team, we are so slow, all this doesn't matter. ... Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants

If I can find it later, Kurt on skyleague.com gave a couple of articles that went into detail on several aspects of how certain scenarios were judged. It was very illuminating for someone like me only a few years into 4-way. If I can find it, I'll send a link. (Quade - A 4-way team consists of 5 people, all my teams have always felt that way and our cameraman is on equal basis for jumps, debriefs, input, etc. I've seen otherwise and think that stinks.) As such, I think O's and J's should be penalized the same...... ... Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants

There is a discussion on a thread at www.4way.org about this www.4way.org edit: - Nevermind, it was on Omniskore during nationals here http://www.omniskore.com/comp/2003/nats/2003_nats.htm you'll have to dig through the Tidbits ... Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants

QuoteQuotebecause, like last time, there is no better choice.Quote That's where I'm at. Here's a clip from a poll (summarized by Fox News - any opinions on that?) Sorry about the cut and paste distortion. 27. So far, do you think the Democratic presidential candidates are spending more time (attacking President Bush and his policies) or more time (explaining what their own policies would be if they were to become president)? (ROTATE) SCALE: 1. Attacking President Bush and his policies 2. Explaining their own policy positions 3. (Both) 4. (Neither) 5. (Not sure) Attacking Explaining (Both) (Neither) (NS) 28-29 Oct 03 All 61% 18 7 2 12 Dem 49% 27 9 3 12 Rep 81% 8 4 1 6 Ind 55% 17 10 2 16 9-10 Sep 03 All 59% 14 12 3 12 Dem 43% 22 15 4 16 Rep 79% 7 7 1 6 Ind 49% 13 17 5 16 ... Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants

Heee heee Actually, it's human tendency to have an easier time voting against something than to pick from choices. I hear the following a lot "I don't like (whoever)" - but then what/who would you do as an alternate? - "I don't know, but not that guy/action/whatever". The seven (9, 10, 5?) dwarfs are still running against the current admin, not for something. I have a friend at work who's into practical applications of statistics. I'll ask him Monday if there is any historical data on polls of this type. Just to escalate - 1 - We have an electoral system, Gore tried to derail it, the supreme court upheld the decision. A majority 'nationwide' has never been determined. Look at the 'by county' map, it looks like the last california election. 2 - Every recount before and after the decision favored Bush 3 - For those expats who think they made the difference, that group was specifically targetted by the Dems to 'disenfranchise'. At best, Dems were guilty of shenanigans, at worst, both parties. ... Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants

Even so, sorry. I had to teach statistics this week so my humor is really shoved to the nerd side of the scale. more so ... Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants

You can tell these guys are devastated. Isn't anyone running to get a sponge and a frosty mug? I sure do miss the Silent Thread ... Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants

This poll does appeal to contemporary lefties though. They get to vote against something. But don't have to decide what to vote 'for'. typical ... Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants

There's a lot to be said for positions where the man and woman are perpendicular to each other...... ... Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants

Sorry ... Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants

Nerd Humor PROOF THAT ALL ODD NUMBERS ARE PRIME: Mathmatician -- 3 is prime, 5 is prime, 7 is prime, the rest follows by induction. Statistician -- 3 is prime, 5 is prime, 7 is prime, 9 is expermental error so throw it out, 11 is prime, 13 is prime, the rest follows by induction. Computer Scientist -- 3 is prime, 5 is prime, 7 is prime, 9 is prime, .... ... Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants

old people should be studied so we can determine which chemicals can be extracted from their bodies for our own personal use. {{the quote might not be perfect, but see if you can figure out the context and show}} ... Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants

I've posted this one before. We got to about 50 ft of altitude before. Other than that, bad rides to altitude mostly are rated on how many beans our inside center ate the night before. ... Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants

Michele - Good Luck tomorrow {{{{Vibes, hugs, family}}}} ... Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants

I don't see any updates on Skyventure.com, but the original schedule noted a Sept finish. Anyone local have info? ... Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants

Yes, and we are also scared of sock puppets. However, we aren't scared of Germans. ... Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants