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This was fun, I went to lunch and POW. John - I was also poor and smart and grants and scholarships helped. You're on a roll today but I can't keep going. I was pointing out consistency of positions, not advocating a position. Jaree (Jakee?) - I put words in your mouth so you reciprocated, fair enough - but I don't think all the poor are welfare bums - I was one of the poor. Still, repeat here (I was pointing out consistency of positions, not advocating a position. And pointing out two sides of the argument - you pick yours). Bill - semantics sucks, good luck with that dictionary ... Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants

Cheerfully withdrawn. So, you like kittens? (Better? ) ... Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants

I like silly. And 'terrorist' also has had many definition revisions, You and I may very well fall into that category for someone, somewhere..... I wish this was true, but this (people change definitions) is exactly what people do . That's why it's more fun to discuss details. Most people are pretty much on the same side and nice to know once you meet them face to face. That's why I leave during semantics arguments, they are stupid even though some people actually do make a living in that area.... ... Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants

And thus the transformation my original misconception of Val (whom I never met but -wrongly- thought she had issues and was a manhater) is now complete. Val - After many recent postings, I realize I was wrong, not only are you cool, but logical and reasonable and clever and funny and pretty (I saw the pics), and I will be purchasing a drink for you at the next opportunity when me and my wife and my daughter are traveling various DZs. ... Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants

The list had more than just genetics in it and I specifically noted the home environment being most important to a child's future 'success', not IQ, assuming IQ equates to success is an elitist assumption. As one of those who worked full time while taking full time classes (we were very poor but the PELL and National Merit sure helped); I am to read this as we should appreciate your free ride through your PhD while now pulling down a 6 figure income at a tax supported institution. There certainly is a privileged class in this country. ... Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants

Just from posting and trying to follow the labels people call themselves. So, do you think a low carb diet should decide whether people should be required to have AADs while defending the country while recalling the governor of California due to a bad vote recount? ... Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants

So, we can call ourselves whatever we want, just pick whatever definition makes us happy. So by the starting definition in the post, you are conservative. But you want to call yourself Liberal because it's more trendy. That's not confusing. (and you can't have your right/left wing social programs without having to pay for them) I'd like to be the political orientation of "Chocolate Kings" defined as "those wishing for less taxes and minimal government involvement in social issues" ... Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants

Oh crap, now we have to define "lefty". 1 - If conservative means - little gov involvement 2 - If lefty means - leave people alone to do their own things now a lefty is a conservative ("Miss Hoover, may I be excused, my brain is full") and that, people, is why labels stink ... Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants

Not really on topic, but digression is fun - It's natural selection - kids succeed or fail based completely on what the parents give them - genetics, moral upbringing, emotional stability or not, work ethics, good examples, a healthy and learning environment, protection, clothes, food, and even money if you got it, but success is likely more based on what you do at home than by government sponsored education. The private sector will respond to poor education. Likely faster than public education... also - if we are responsible about having kids, then we consider if-we-can-afford to give them a good education before we -choose- to have them. Since we have birth control, then having kids is really now a choice isn't it? I know, it's seems pretty harsh, but why should you put thought and savings and effort into giving your child an advantage, and then have it eliminated by using your own income for someone else's kid when that someone didn't do jack - that's pretty harsh also. Your point assumes that we have to depend on the taxation of the next generation to support us and also that welfare should be a permanent fixture of government programs...... That's very telling in itself. ... Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants

It didn't suck - that's about it. However, I had low expectations so was pleasantly surprised. I was also surprised that this movie was done with almost no profanity. It still worked and you bring the kids - doesn't happen often. nice stunts - I bet Vin could act with a few more lessons..... ... Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants

I dunno, bartering? (I said it didn't fit the largely Libertarian list, not that I disagreed or agreed with it) (actually, why can't the private sector handle it, or, give us vouchers for the choice to go private, also if you are childless, why should you have to pay for someone else's choice?) Instead of asking how it should be funded, maybe ask why should it be 'publicly' funded? I chose to have kids, I'm prepared to pay for them. Edit: This one's not a huge issue for me, so I'm not too passionate about it. But, then again, I've benefitted from Pell Grants, I have a kid, etc. So there's the bias. But if you want to be pure in discussing Libertarianism, public funding of education is an exception that would need to be specifically justified with data and not just subjective arguments..... ... Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants

p'faw - "Physics", it's all spin anyway.... ... Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants

It's not about the people in the other balloon, it's about your jump. If they don't know it's happening, then how will they get good video. 1-Everyone in your balloon needs to know (as you already stated) - no need for heroes here. 2 - Someone in the other balloon should be in on it and have a camera. 3 - everyone else in the other balloon? whatever, maybe two people in the other balloon should have cameras, one for you and one for the 'spectators'. 4 - likely both pilots will know since you prearranged it. that leave how many people you are pranking on? One? ... Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants

I agree with you, likely 90% of lights are pointless exercises in futility. Don't even get me started on highway on ramp lights I meant your list was rather broad and conceptual (and I was in shock at the common views here), and then this was tacked in there as a specific. now I understand ... Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants

I finally 'got it' using YOUR simulator posted on Tim and Ted'd website. Thanks for that. ... Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants

No - too many wackos on those subjects. I'd much rather do it with all you wackos here than in person with someone who might start crying (has happened) or take a swing (not yet) or get all bent about it. For me, neither politics nor religion is very important so it's mostly a source of amusement. But you won't know that about the person standing next to you until it's too late. ... Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants

I've been on the airplane on Sunday morning - we already are. Beans, meat and rumncoke and one of my teammates can absolutely surround the next generation with natural gas ... Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants

They don't understand the term either. Both those for and against gay marriage are "socially liberal" (i.e., they are trying to use government to legislate a social issue). Are those guys any different from Affirmative Action advocates, or anti-abortion types, or enviro types, or anti-business types, etc. etc. Edit: I like Kallend's list except two - funding edu doesn't fit, the last does but sounds like a gripe and more detailed than the rest. I really like the sig line 45 degree rule is Wrong ... Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants

They found it Monday. When our time is up, we won't even see it coming. yay! no, I mean boo! no, I did mean yay! Better get in all the jumps you can right now. Likely sometime in the next 10,000 years we are going to be wiped out.... ... Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants

I also bet someone here has an uncle that voted for Al Gore twice; in the same election after the uncle was dead ... Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants

I didn't see anything libertarian in that article. But I bet John sent him a box a chocolates. A 'real' libertarian would have bashed Bush on his spending and then noted that he'd have to either not vote or support him anyway because Kerry would still be worse. ... Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants

Turtle can always say what I'm trying to but in about one tenth the words. The master gives a lesson again. ... Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants

I think people who disagree with the far right (key word 'far') confuse that with "Republican" without noting that similar social engineering (replace religious programs with political correctness or whatever) of the left is the exact same thing - social liberalism. N's (from what I can tell sounds super cool and smart) examples show the caution towards the more right wing extreme concepts. So that's why I think the faulty association occurred. There's social liberalism all across the board. I don't see any politician advocating social conservatism - it doesn't appeal to the typical emotional voter (everyone is trying to fix something). Don't worry, if N sees this, she'll come back and set me straight. I'm just throwing out thoughts here - can't read minds yet.... ... Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants

I was going to say that when I read Nightingale's post. You beat me to it. She sounds fiscally conservative and socially conservative. (i.e., she's mixing up the term conservative and confusing it with the far right without noting the far right is socially liberal) Now Democrats and Republicans are both socially liberal - that means they want their programs and want to use tax money to pay for it. So social position still relates to the economics sense of the definition. I'm fiscally conservative and socially think people should mind their own business as far as legislating social issues and programs - I think that's a consistent position. ... Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants

Once upon a time, at a nerdy flight sim convention, I got a text message. I wasn't expecting messages because..well...i'm a frickin nerd. So I read it and discovered to my horror that my fly had been open since I left the Arby's. Then I remembered that I had walked past McDonalds and that's why people were starring. So I put it away, hoping that no one at at either place had noticed. No supersizing for me today. Suddenly, smoke filled the room. became alive with frantic activity... and out of nowhere I screamed like a little girl and started running. As I felt something on my shoe I tripped on a extension cord only to find I dreamt about sunshine in cognito with my now little zippered buddy frozen to the swing set ... Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants