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Free speech - regulate that shit.....some people need to take classes and have education before being allowed to express their opinions Voting - regulate that shit.....some pre-test on knowledge of current events should be required before they can go to the polls (I have seen this comment a lot from the more 'extreme' posters here - lefty and righty - so it's not such a wild concern as one might think) (I agree that care of weapons and training on safe use is a great idea. People should choose to take that voluntarily. HOWEVER: I resonate with you more and more as safe gun ownership is being killed off and parents don't know enough to teach their kids anymore.........tough one, but more analogous to operating a car, or a parachute, than to voting or speech.....but should it be? the worry is that those in power will abuse it and make the training so expensive or complicated or impossible that it would amount to a de-facto ban on the 2nd......clearly we see that would be just fine some of the 'usual suspects') I find it absolutely amazing how voting and gun ownership debates take the same discussion lines - the, discussions at least, are very analogous ... Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants

Agreed - anyone that has committed a violent crime should have the right curtailed or removed - doing a check to make sure the buyer doesn't fit in that category is common sense. But, anyone that hasn't, should be left alone. I think there should be analogous requirements for all the rights. rights are also a responsibility, once someone demonstrates they are irresponsible, only then can that right be taken away. However, if one can't take any gun rights statement and replace "gun ownership" with analogous 'speech', 'vote', 'assemble', 'own property' statements, and it still makes sense, then the line is crossed. (example - guns....if someone demonstrates they can't handle the right - i.e., they shot someone unlawfully, they should lose the right to own guns. Speech - if someone's idea of "speech" is to graffiti another person's private property, or to assault someone (dump blood on them, assault them, harrass them, throw feces on them, etc), they should lose the right to free speech) - in both those examples, they do by virtue of being incarcerated hopefully. (I also think that any time a congresscritter recommends a law that's already redundant to existing laws - just to create some PR - they should have that ability deleted also. this goes for laws that just tighten existing laws "just one step more, for the children") ... Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants

well, once legal, it'll be mass produced and with addictive 'additives' and 'fillers' you might want to check back at that time for a re-assessment on the whole 'cancer' thing ... Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants

chest vs head? sounds much more painful for the criminal. And I don't see how a closed or open casket has anything to do with the stock 'torture/vengeance meme'.... I'm a big fan of 'death by snu-snu' ... Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants

different strokes - small business - likely the owners are honoring their personal religious holiday and shutting down huge business - likely the board finds it more efficient when everybody takes the same day off and they can then 'holiday' facilities and support groups easily. any holiday will do, Easter just as well as others ... Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants

pffft....any phys ed major can tell you that You bet! Have you ever heard that album? It's pretty funny. Chuck I have 4 albums from that period. Plus the horrible one where he sings (Hooray for the Salvation Army Band - it's so bad). The original LPs and we also put them on CDs to make sure I don't lose them. I'm pretty sure they are the following: Why is there Air Wonderfulness I Started Out as a Child Revenge One of them is in the '200 mph' sleeve, but it's not ... Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants

the one they supposedly follow....Douglas Adams? (individuals choosing to be kind and sharing and civilized is a much different condition than political and governmental power games raping the public under a false pretense of same. Frankly, the second is counterproductive to the first) ... Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants

pffft....any phys ed major can tell you that ... Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants

Sounds pretty Libertarian to me. Let's expand it to a lot of other groups, too, and I'm with you. ... Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants

So ignoring the nationalistic bumper sticker tripe for a moment...those darn americans So the assumption - 'civilized' vs "individual responsibility" are inversely correlated? it certainly provides a lot of insight to the discussions around here for sure. ... Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants

they got confused over the definition of 'necrophilia', They thought it wasn't literal, just codeword for having a wife ... Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants

get used to it. over and over and over again. you are only allowed Position A and Position B. If you argue Position C, the A's will accuse you of being extreme B....and vice versa. the others will pull some tangent out of the air and accuse you of hating baby seals why do you hate children and minorities? ... Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants

now that's both informative and entertaining ... Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants

yes, usually working as waiters? ... Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants

is a "Nazi terrorist" a: 1 - Nazi that happens to also be a terrorist? or; 2 - someone that terrorizes Nazis it's pretty much completely different ... Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants

Mussolini stood up for his beliefs Hitler stood up for his beliefs Bill Clinton stood up for his beliefs George W BUSH stood up for his beliefs ... Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants

Have you priced an aircraft carrier recently? Those buggers are crazy expensive. Note: my point is that government spending is not just giving money to "takers", there are a lot of services that everyone uses that have nothing to do with welfare queens getting free Obamaphones. that's right, you were the one with the strawman that everybody defines 'takers' as the negative connotation only. I can only state that takers includes a lot of different categories about a million times. if you don't read, that's your problem enough - what a waste of time even trying to discuss anything with this group ... Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants

why on earth would that bake my noodle - i'm sick of people wallowing in stupid political stereotypes here ... Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants

(((aside - so why do they take nearly 50% of my paycheck of it's only 92/8.......I'm not even close to rich. something is still broken clearly. I think your math assumptions reads like that story about the guy that wanted one day off of work......but at least you are trying))) absolutely - so now, you have to convince the makers to avoid self interest and still vote or self-identify as takers. (since politicians only win votes by making people think they are getting something at the expense of another....pick either party, neither is clean in this regard) And you wonder why I don't trust politicians......their entire life is dependent on behavior that is designed to destroy entire societies. ... Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants

it's fascinating when people that don't like either are accused of being one sided by those that are one sided the other way ... Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants

A more useful study would be to see how these governments evolve over time and at what point does the structure begin to collapse as the ratio progresses. Or at what ratio was the balance healthiest? On the alternate side - if it goes too far the wrong way (all assets are collected by a small aristocracy, or the government) - the structure will also collapse. Both scenarios, though will begin to take from the middle class and funnel it elsewhere....up or down, doesn't matter - it all goes through the government filter. My assumption is there is a tipping point - and we are in a society that is progressively encouraging the taker groups to increase and to vote to increase (individual or corporate, leech or deserving, whatever). I think 50/50 is a natural tipping point - though oversimplified but useful for discussion ... Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants

No, i wanted opinions on whether it's sustainable to have a voting base where a majority are takers of one form or another. (you see it in action - in reality, 100% are partial takers of one kind or another - do you see spending decrease in any way shape or form?) ... Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants

that's a pretty good analogy of what I think the author was trying to do. the discussion I wanted to foster was despite that. Though I find a lot of respectable freeflyers as well as pierced and tattooed RWers (they are unique flowers......just like everyone else) - your stereotypes are distressing (as intended ) in the interest of anecdotal tangents I will say this - the only person we ever caught trying to sneak onto a load without paying, was a freeflyer (no tattoos and a decent paying job) - thus, by using your alignment in analogies - the most selfish and irresponsible individuals must be very rich liberals that take corporate welfare. ... Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants

How Machiavellian of you. The issue becomes those 10 takers have the power to take anything they want from the 1 maker now that society is established for them to vote anything they want. your first example - maker gives $100 and takers take $10 each. so if the maker makes a total of $110.....they all get $10 in the end. unfortunately, poverty level is $20, and the maker can't find any employees or competition or customers now.... you think that's sustainable? you like it because it balances the math... nice I'd rather prefer Amazon's approach - we now have 10 guys making $50 due to competition and opening new markets and they all try their best. And one guy gets $20 ($2 from each of the $10) to survive because he is unable to support himself and the other 10 agree they need to help him out - and they eventually find a way to even hire him to work somehow. how do you like my math? ... Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants

what about death penalty if you vote illegally? ... Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants