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disagree - two people can enter into any contract they wish and it's nobody else's business but the two of them for this case, I'd agree with one position only - the seller is a douche if he KNOWINGLY takes a profit from the buyer that would leave the buyer in a worse position than if he never had the certificate in the first place - the buyer is also a sucker one thing for sure - if you stick your nose into other people's business and try to force your subjective beliefs on others - then the douche is clearly identified ... Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants

I don't think BV playing devil's advocate to your discussion is discounting it. It's just providing various scenarios that also play into the opposing argument. What you need to look at is how radical do those counters get to keep that string together vs the same for the other argument. usually, the best story becomes the most believable. eventually, one side will end up with just too many 'reaches' to hold water, at that point, a conclusion will be drawn it's not perfect, but having someone bounce your discussion back at you like that does the truth more good than bad - keeps people from drawing conclusions prematurely for either side ... Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants

you do it every day on this site most likely - with words and even with the anonymity of the internet it gets (annoying, er, I mean) heated sometimes is it inconceivable the either or both of these guys got into a verbal confrontation which escalated? I can see it. I just don't understand how you can see it for one guy, but not the other..... ... Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants

We thought we'd visit each one each month - but there's more DZs than there is weekends in a month...... So I just go where my camper is located and try to see my friends at comps and special events I've only missed on safety day so far - great excuse to travel ... Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants

Then why the cost difference? If they both take the same type of paperwork and check the same things.... Why the separate costs? have you ever heard Bloomberg on the subject of guns? it's pretty clear what his twisted agenda is the question isn't 'why' - it's clear why. the point is why is it continued to be allowed by good people ... Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants

WOW, just wow. This is completely unprofessional for a funeral home to give private info to the press. I don't care if the statement support either side or not at all. So even the funeral home abused the kid's dead body with their own amateur autopsy.... this is such an out of control media feeding frenzy this kid's parents should be outraged at the complete disregard for their family's privacy ... Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants

Nope. It's for people who have a conscience about how they treat other people. YMMV. that position requires zero mystical beliefs to live by if one is sincere in doing the right thing - there is no mystical account of good deeds that come back in turn - or bad deeds that come back to bite you doing good and doing right are sufficient in their own right and I don't need a tally book to motivate me any more than I need an eternal reward/punishment to motivate me I'll concede this following statement to take the sting out of my initial note....., if someone has to manufacture a motivation to be a decent human? - then that's cool - it's results that matter, their path may vary ... Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants

For that one, you need quite a few dead squirrels in Congress. my apologies, I phrased that too simply The rate of spending increase will decrease due to the sudden cessation of vigorous executive encouragement to increase it Dead Squirrel can put a lot of things into perspective ... Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants

I think we're talking past each other here. I'm just talking about spotting. Look straight down past a structural reference. I suspect that's exactly how you do it. point is, the way to eyeball the spot location is the same method to also get a feel for ground speed visually. If not, how do you spot? ... Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants

And you may have noticed that those guys on the bigways are experienced people. They know that......... and sometimes they are just bossy assholes ... Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants

See, I don't think it's gravy. the math is the gravy. The meat is that you need to develop the ability to confirm, real time (before climbout), based on direct observation, that the calc remains true. (spotting skills come in handy here - use a hard edge on the plane - window frame, edge of door etc to reference the progress across the ground) as for error bars.....if we decide 10 seconds, and I see people getting out between 8 and 18 seconds, I'm pretty much happy they are doing their best to comply - most people take a lot longer than they think blues - this is always a worthwhile discussion. And Brian's attitude here is a great role model for us. We always learn. ... Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants

Immaterial to the discussion, since the topic is a concealed carry permit. wear a longer jacket, sheeeesh ... Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants

you're a good guy, BV (I'd say that great intentions for a short term risk avoidance is nice. But long term, one wonders if just having their gear grounded so they understand the consequences of neglecting their gear now rather than later, would be more effective. you can't take care of everyone - they need to learn to take care of themselves or it'll get worse - but it's admirable that you try) ... Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants

or taxidermy ... Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants

I get the feeling that in the case of exit separation, you are arguing the differences within the normal variation of just how fast people count and climb out. rather than just process. (or,..... this is a training opportunity to clarify to the quiet audience.....) We can discuss it at a boogie someday, Point is, we did the math correctly, and DZ says "take 8 seconds between groups". If I look down and the plane is at a standstill - I will adjust and take a much longer delay - and I will let the other jumpers know that winds have pick up significantly at altitude. things change - it doesn't hurt to look and think ... Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants

nonsense I sold a fridge to afriend for $100. He sold it on craigslist for $200. I tease him about it, but, the second it transferred to him, it was his personal property and he can do whatever he wants with his personal property I don't believe in selling or giving and then adding a bunch of "string attached" expectations. That's what's slimy. edit: YMMV, IMHO, etc etc etc ... Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants

Doc -about throw - I once noted to another jumper that our approach to a big way base was really steep. She insisted that it was steep because the uppers were really high........ I pointed out that the airspeed of the airplane doesn't care about wind aloft in this case. She got angry and insisted on it. (I guessed that the base funneled on exit - right or wrong - it turns out, it did funnel) This is why old 'rules' stick around. For that matter, her conclusions were even backwards when based on her personal and faulty theory....... Canopy flight guys can best appreciate the frustration by noting this attitude is exactly analogous as when someone points out that front risering when landing into the wind will cause the canopy to roll under - because, obviously, the head wind pushed the nose under - but front risering on a downwinder is fine.... - or, another good one - a tail wind pushes the canopy,,,,, teaching relative reference frames for flight is VERY difficult when the audience is normally land based. ... Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants

This is GREAT. With common sense adjustments (Kallend's note about following a big way vs a bunch of solos) apply and most people aren't idiots - it works just fine. 1 - I look out the window (we tend to take jumprun into the wind - typically uppers are faster than ground winds - typically uppers close enough to the same direction as ground winds): a - are we crawling along (relative to the ground)? I take a long delay. b - are we screaming along (relative to the ground)? I take a short delay 2 - Our pilot will actually call out ground speed when he turns on jump run. It'll confirm my visual observation. But if I don't hear him, it's not a big deal. 3 - Door opens - check for traffic. Again, a glance tells us our penetration.... 4 - Stage the exits accordingly 5 (seriously, it's assessed during the day anyway, and this rarely results in any difference than what the DZ designates based on 'doing the math' - but the personal check is just the right thing to do anyway) if the winds (uppers vs grounds) directions and speeds are NOT 'typical' - then we use our brains. it's not rocket science - or is it? ... Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants

sell for $1001 if you want. Still nothing unethical about two people having a transaction of any kind for any amount. Buyer and seller just need to have their eyes open. (do the homework. The seller might even have the best of intentions also, but, normally, $$ off of suggested retail isn't a 1 for 1 proposition from getting something from a dealer who usually discounts anyway) ... Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants

karma - another mythical religious belief, based on nonsense and just out there to allow people to judge others or to make themselves feel good ... Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants

Presidents stink right away - Dead Squirrel is an improvement. If the tank of guppies start to swim left or right, the freaks will try to make a partisan push as a result. Hell, people would bid for the job of feeding the guppies and then always sprinkle food to one side of the tank. Laws will be proposed to make feeding the guppies "fair" - the outcry will be horrendous. Dead Squirrel - 2012 ... Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants

Yet John Kerry was everybody's hero on that side of the aisle. I'm still rooting for putting a dead squirrel in the White House. Better than who we current have, better than the other options, too. 1 - immediate boost in confidence resulting in improved economy 2 - no more pointless speeches that mean nothing 3 - spending will drop immediately 4 - immediate strengthening in our foreign reputation and effectiveness what more can we ask for? Dead Squirrel '12 ... Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants

I don't think caffeine is your friend. Lighten up and stop being such a jackass. Kallend and I were just mocking the phrasing. ... Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants

my gut tells me that someone's income level shouldn't be a differentiating factor in terms of protected rights - if it infringes on a lower-income person - why would you think it's not an infringement on a middle income or rich guy also? Edit: the only real question is this "are they doing it as means to grab revenue? or are they doing this as a backdoor means to restrict rights of private property ownership of guns specifically?" It could be both of course I'm less inclined to the whole social agenda than to just keep it simple and attribute it to government greedine$$. YMMV ... Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants

neither, the GUN kills, not the person - everyone knows that ... Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants