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You're trying to make a point that I think was already made by Kennedy. Or you are agreeing with him and emphasizing it, I guess. I could caviat a statement about proper training and involvement and supervision about any gift, including paint sets, any toy with a sharp edge, and too much candy.... I personally think a 'great gift' to give a kid is discipline, responsibility, and way to demonstrate that to his parents. Lots of ways to do that - proper firearms discipline is a good one. ... Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants

fair enough from my viewpoint, you never stated what you believe in. you simply spent your posts pissing on my (subjective) opinion on the subject. And, ((from my perspective)), the press was overplaying it in an obnoxious, pointless and silly - and not value added to the cause of acceptance. YMMV - and, apparently, certainly does. and, admit it, BV and I had a clean dialogue that wasn't so adversarial blues ... Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants

be cool, Jakee. I get your position and only wish you'd respect other's positions too. My comments aren't about only one way to make change. There are lots of ways. My comments is about the most effective way to make lasting change and what, IMO, causes the least amount of long term angst. It's a ranking, not an either or. Too many here seem to think that positing an optimal position automatically includes rejection of all other options.....that's hardly ever true. ... Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants

ooooh - I need to learn this. RIGHT NOW ... Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants

Even better - they can want what they want. It just plain shouldn't matter to you if you are strong of character. Dr. Seuss is all right. he talks funny ... Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants

I know what "Lean" is in terms of engineering. Been Trained. I know what Six Sigma is (I'm a master black belt in a Fortune 100 company in fact). Haven't seen the term "Lean Six Sigma" before. But the two philosophies are very related to each other. ... Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants

close - I'll lead by example and encourage the press a ton. 1 - I hope it works out for him 2 - For sure he'll get a contract somewhere now. Edit: sometimes it's easiest to go listen to Dr Seuss - "Be who you are and say what you feel, because those who mind don't matter, and those that matter don't mind" (Those that matter are close to you, not the faceless masses of the entire continent) ... Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants

actually, ignoring you just being a constant asshole to me in posts - this is pretty good real and effective change doesn't happen with a bunch of trumpets and fanfare. it happens one at a time on a personal level until critical mass is achieved. Everything else is just noise. the bigots either die off, or at some point in their lives, they find out a person they care about is affected, then they change.....or they don't. The only thing we have true control over is how we live our own lives and whether we permit what others think to affect us. the idea that people think they can make huge change with a big gesture is naive ... Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants

he had a third choice - life his life as he sees fit. no need for fanfare, just live his life the best he knows ... Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants

Huh. Thought you'd have at least found out what the thread was about before jumping in all guns blazing. no, it's not guns blazing. Here's my take on it. 1 - society is ready for #4. Some people aren't, but society is. 2 - #2 and #3 is getting milked for all it's worth. and 4 is being delayed 3 - If the athlete felt scared to live his life. Then that's on him, not society. 4 - If he wants to live his life, then he should just do it. The need for everybody to have a press conference is silly - IMHO see my first and second point. 5 - I'm not about the big picture, I'm private and personal. Thus - Live your life, quietly and the best you can. It's not about society, or the press, or anyone like that accepting him. It's down to his friends and family only. He can't change them - if they support or don't. He can only change his life. He'll get a lot of traction when it comes up naturally instead of force feeding it. "Hey, those two basketball groupies want to take us home"...."they aren't my type"... "Seriously? what is your type" .... "That guy over there"....."Oh...I didn't know" .... "I don't think it's a big deal, it's just me"....."OK, but it'll be hard to find a brother/sister combo for us to hit on"..."haha" there, that's a more likely dialogue (at least in my social circle) than any other option understated, live your life, don't let things you don't control affect your choices that's #4 there you have it - for others, it's more urgent, or more big picture. I just don't see it that way. YMMV ... Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants

all moms and dads are 'heroes'...there, I said it. Even the ones that don't do a good job, or sell their kids for crack, or put them to work in coal mines. do I win something? ... Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants

He made a statement? good for him. If he lives his life as best he can is the best statement that he, or anyone, can ever make. Glad he's doing that. and.... well played sir ... Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants

In the course of human history how many civil rights breakthroughs have been achieved by people knuckling under and keeping their mouths shut? I'll see your pointless and raise you a naive. ahh, nicely stated and well delivered. the point is more about how decent people are. But, absolutely I agree with you, the entrenched die hards need to go through growing pains. I'm more inclined to worry about those that have some brains. You can midwife the rest if you relate better to them. I'm a bigger fan of composed and confident and doing the right thing without being poked by sharp goad. You're a bigger fan of obnoxious and in your face and pushy evolution. not a big surprise ... Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants

seems easier to just skip to 4. 2 and 3 are so very obnoxious and pointless - and I suspect both 2 and 3 result in a lot less people getting to 4 as briskly as they'd normally be inclined to I actually operate under the assumption that the 1's and 3's are just assholes and the 2's are those that are actually 4's that just have a lot of 1's in their social circles so they make a little fuss so they can get invited to card club it's a theory ... Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants

whoa, whoa, whoa slow down a bit there.... let's not go get people all spun up now ... Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants

non-issue here people's private lives are theirs to live as they wish ... Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants

much like any other group.....it just takes a couple bad ones to sour you on the rest of the, mostly decent, ones ... Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants

oh - hating airline passengers is not an issue at all.... ... Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants

no issues, I understand, even if the military is willing to be efficient, the complex supporting them isn't and they have strong strings on much of Congress. So the offer by the military is nice, but moot. anyway - dry up the nipple in ALL the cases Greek's spending philosophy just doesn't look that good to me for the US. Germany can't bail everyone out...... ... Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants

I just don't enjoy threading with you Jakee. You're too grim and it got old a long time ago. So I stopped trying. I'm sure in person we'd be fine, but it's just plain painful on the forum. Your social philosophy is pretty clear and there's a distinct difference in approach that's not really overcome with simple debate. Your point that my thread was supposedly leading down the 'wealthy job creators" line is the same "in your world waffle waffle" technique you just accused me of. Surprise, you get what you dish out. But you don't even see it. ... Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants

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I wasn't before, but MAN O MAN! I sure do plan to now. ... Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants

Sure, in your world, the only effect is the final effect. So only two ways to create jobs then: 1 - government does it - and it's all beautiful and for the good of all 2 - ultra rich do it - but they don't like it and hate their workers 3 - clearly a middle class person or someone with little means has never started their own business and if they did get to keep a little bit more of each paycheck they'd just blow it instead from that perspective I understand your position either way, we've done a good job of telling each other their comments are non-sequitors, so I'm satisfied. ... Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants

The Abrams tanks are food stamps, for the military-industrial complex and the politicians who suck off their teat. except the army is offering to cut that spending voluntarily and the government is forcing them to take their symbolic food stamps..... can you say the same for a welfare queen? ... Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants

Do they? The argument that puts 'wealth creators' as the be all and end all of economic wellbeing falls slightly flat in a thread which shows that the wealth currently being created is heading straight to the already wealthy. that's an odd little non-sequitor just for the purpose of pressing on the class envy theme - tired, old theme. Why are you assuming that cutting (any and all) spending ONLY goes to the rich. I'm not rich, I pay taxes. I'd like to keep more. don't you? The default shouldn't be push the spending to "My pet programs". It should be cut it - cut for real. ... Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants