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So why dont you instead debate the post and not the poster then? A lot of people like to bash John but then never answer any of his questions of the topic at hand. monkey see monkey do? When an author is too meticulous about his style, you may presume that his mind is frivolous and his content flimsy. Lucius Annaeus Seneca

Whos troops mate? Ah, theirs, just seen the vid. I reckon the guy who ran for it had a Doh! moment. When an author is too meticulous about his style, you may presume that his mind is frivolous and his content flimsy. Lucius Annaeus Seneca

Hey if they're bothering you tell your landlord. When an author is too meticulous about his style, you may presume that his mind is frivolous and his content flimsy. Lucius Annaeus Seneca

LMFAO When an author is too meticulous about his style, you may presume that his mind is frivolous and his content flimsy. Lucius Annaeus Seneca

He also forgot to mention a very important fact, that Paul was also a Roman citizen. It was alot easier to 'sell' a religion to to Greeks and the Romans that didn't involve avoidance of pig meat (ever been to an Italian resturant?) and having your penis cut than it would have to convert them to Judaism (which has never gone after converts anyway). If you add into the Roman equation the fact that they had been worshiping their Caesar's as living Gods it wasn't such a novel idea to deify Jesus. Kind of all fitted together nicely. I also have a problem with Paul. Namely the ones that are mentioned in the article. Plus he was a mysoginist who went against the teachings of Jesus and the Old Testament. When an author is too meticulous about his style, you may presume that his mind is frivolous and his content flimsy. Lucius Annaeus Seneca

LOL... When an author is too meticulous about his style, you may presume that his mind is frivolous and his content flimsy. Lucius Annaeus Seneca

What does "arsed" mean? LOL When an author is too meticulous about his style, you may presume that his mind is frivolous and his content flimsy. Lucius Annaeus Seneca

I missed my calling in the diplomatic corp, what can I say When an author is too meticulous about his style, you may presume that his mind is frivolous and his content flimsy. Lucius Annaeus Seneca

Mate, I'm not attacking the Soldiers in any way shape or form, just the argument in the article. When an author is too meticulous about his style, you may presume that his mind is frivolous and his content flimsy. Lucius Annaeus Seneca

Utter horse shit. Why is it that so many Americans feel the need to turn Soldiers into Team America Heros. The act of joining up is a decision made for many reasons. I can't find a job, I want to get away from home/ this town, I want adventure, Prison or the millitary (in some Armys), Chicks dig the uniform, I want to be like my brother/father/whoever, See the world, want to see what action is like, I want a career, I want better education....and so on. Give me a break Maybe for a few idealists but for the majority this is nonsense. There are heros and cowards in every Army sometimes in the same man. Soldiers do a job, its a pretty thankless one but it doesn't make them heros just because they do it and it sure as f**k doesn't make them all idealistic patriots. When an author is too meticulous about his style, you may presume that his mind is frivolous and his content flimsy. Lucius Annaeus Seneca

Hey way to go girl! When an author is too meticulous about his style, you may presume that his mind is frivolous and his content flimsy. Lucius Annaeus Seneca

http://www.dropzone.com/cgi-bin/forum/gforum.cgi?post=2404070#2404070 When an author is too meticulous about his style, you may presume that his mind is frivolous and his content flimsy. Lucius Annaeus Seneca

Call it whatever you will, its still a racist law. When an author is too meticulous about his style, you may presume that his mind is frivolous and his content flimsy. Lucius Annaeus Seneca

But still your point of a racist law still holds.Just because the law benifits Jewish people doesn't make it any less racist. When an author is too meticulous about his style, you may presume that his mind is frivolous and his content flimsy. Lucius Annaeus Seneca

But going on your premisis that those people had a right to return because it was their home then surely the Palastinians who fled also have a right to return and now there is over three million of them. But as this is not the case I'm afraid that you've busted your own argument, because clearly you support a racist law. Namely that only Jews have a right to immigrate to Israel but the Palastininans whos home it was within this lifetime do not based on the fact that they are not Jews. Like you said no racist law can be right. When an author is too meticulous about his style, you may presume that his mind is frivolous and his content flimsy. Lucius Annaeus Seneca

Damn! How about that HEAP round! Strewth, serious bit of ordinance. When an author is too meticulous about his style, you may presume that his mind is frivolous and his content flimsy. Lucius Annaeus Seneca

Ok, lets not bicker on time but find the common ground and that is that the land has to be shared. Are you for unrestricted immigration for anyone who is Jewish then? When an author is too meticulous about his style, you may presume that his mind is frivolous and his content flimsy. Lucius Annaeus Seneca

Common sense? When an author is too meticulous about his style, you may presume that his mind is frivolous and his content flimsy. Lucius Annaeus Seneca

as long as people remember and consider this place their home. and yes, 2000 years is as valid as 60. so would you agree then that the native Americans would be right to take back the land that they have been kicked off from? After all it is their home. Same goes for the Aborignees. By that reasoning I should be able to claim land in France that my family owned back in 1066. Hundreds of thousands of Americans and Australians and others then would have the right to decend upon Ireland and Scotland and cliam it as home because they once had ancestors that lived there. Come on When an author is too meticulous about his style, you may presume that his mind is frivolous and his content flimsy. Lucius Annaeus Seneca

Did someone mention"racist laws" ? It was a law based on a religion or race but I don't think it was really intended as a negative thing considerng the context of the local situation. When an author is too meticulous about his style, you may presume that his mind is frivolous and his content flimsy. Lucius Annaeus Seneca

that all depends if you think they had a right to come back to Israel after being in exile for a long time. clearly I do. How long is a long time? When an author is too meticulous about his style, you may presume that his mind is frivolous and his content flimsy. Lucius Annaeus Seneca

in the 1920 neither the histadrut, nor any other "jewish" organization had any say in who can and cannot come to Israel, the authority was in the hands of the brits. you could say their historic link to this place. but what makes it home to them is their feeling its their home. but lets not start the "whos home it is" debate and agree that it is both nations' home and thus has to be divided. It was not intended that Palastine be a Jewish state and for that reson the Mc Donald paper was drawn up limiting Jewish immgration for the following reasons (taken from the May 17th paper) '"His Majesty's Government believe that the framers of the Mandate in which the Balfour Declaration was embodied could not have intended that Palestine should be converted into a Jewish State against the will of the Arab population of the country. [...] His Majesty's Government therefore now declare unequivocally that it is not part of their policy that Palestine should become a Jewish State. They would indeed regard it as contrary to their obligations to the Arabs under the Mandate, as well as to the assurances which have been given to the Arab people in the past, that the Arab population of Palestine should be made the subjects of a Jewish State against their will." "The objective of His Majesty's Government is the establishment within 10 years of an independent Palestine State in such treaty relations with the United Kingdom as will provide satisfactorily for the commercial and strategic requirements of both countries in the future. [..] The independent State should be one in which Arabs and Jews share government in such a way as to ensure that the essential interests of each community are safeguarded." When an author is too meticulous about his style, you may presume that his mind is frivolous and his content flimsy. Lucius Annaeus Seneca

what you call "foreigners" i call people returning home. would you consider the palestinian refugees of 1967 foreigners if/when they return to the state of palestine? how long do you have to be away in order to be a foreigner? because it seems to me that most jews felt "foreign" anywhere but in Israel. what laws are you talking about? i've never heard of such laws. I have heard however about the british "white book" which limits the number of jewish refugees that were allowed to come to Israel, if you are looking for racist laws... So from 83,790 Jews in 1922 to 553,600 Jews in 1945! Hardly suprising something had to be done. When an author is too meticulous about his style, you may presume that his mind is frivolous and his content flimsy. Lucius Annaeus Seneca

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_Mandate_of_Palestine Whatever you may think, those people were foriegn, Germans Poles Russians Americans et al what makes you belive they were coming 'home'? When an author is too meticulous about his style, you may presume that his mind is frivolous and his content flimsy. Lucius Annaeus Seneca

Ok, flippancy aside, point taken and it was a really nice thing for him to do. I feel sorry for the poor bugger who will never walk again, what a bloody waste When an author is too meticulous about his style, you may presume that his mind is frivolous and his content flimsy. Lucius Annaeus Seneca