Skyrad

1) Yes the nature of war has changed. In the past you HAD to get up close and bayonet, stab, club, crush and punch the enemy repeatedly until he was dead. The civilians of defeated towns were raped and murdered sometimes on a systematic basis having their throats cut or hung in the days before gun powder. These days we can destroy cities without even seeing them. Sure soldier do close and kill but nt that often do they have to fight hand to hand any more. Its against international law to bombard civillian populations (of course it still happens from time to time (Faluja for example)) 2) The vast majority of Americans were fully behind the war in Iraq. Can't just walk into a country make it FUBAR and then say 'Opps sorry he lied, we had no idea...Bye!' 2) When an author is too meticulous about his style, you may presume that his mind is frivolous and his content flimsy. Lucius Annaeus Seneca

Its funny, i just posted in another thread saying that this generation on both sides of the Atlantic are not made of the same stuff as the WWII generation were. Obviously WWI was even worse. Its the same pathetic namby pamby attitue that offers 'counciling' to people because a bomb goes off in one of our cities to people that weren't even there! Or gives out help lines to people after a episode of Eastenders in case they have been 'effected' by the story line. In WWII Londoners had hundreds of thousands of tons of HE dropped on them night after night and no one was crying for want of counciling then. Every death is regretable but soldiers die its a occupational hazzard. I feel for the familys left behind but I couldn't agree with you more Andy. Ultimately what is the point of spending billions on the military if the people have no stomach for the fight? What will loose the war in Iraq is Americas weak will at home because the Americans having invaded the place have not got the stomach to see body bags and limbless soldiers coming home for the next thirty years. When an author is too meticulous about his style, you may presume that his mind is frivolous and his content flimsy. Lucius Annaeus Seneca

They live in America, if they are stoned it will most likely be on ganja. When an author is too meticulous about his style, you may presume that his mind is frivolous and his content flimsy. Lucius Annaeus Seneca

Maybe I misunderstood your question. I thought you were asking if all Muslim countries are intolerant. So I gave you the answer that it depends on the country not on Islam. Using Turkey as a example of one that is not intolerant. So what is the norm in Saudi isn't the norm in all Muslim countries. When an author is too meticulous about his style, you may presume that his mind is frivolous and his content flimsy. Lucius Annaeus Seneca

This from todays (thursday) Times http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/iraq/article2224987.ece Things are getting worse not better in the South. As for wether things are getting better in the North it hardly matters, as I have always said it doesn't matter how strong the US forces are because the people back home are not stoic and can not accept a prolonged war with casualties. The average American civillian of 2007 simply isn't made of the same stuff of the WWII generation (goes for the UK too but not so much as we have been used to sustained campaigns and loss of lives in our military every year since WWII except one) When an author is too meticulous about his style, you may presume that his mind is frivolous and his content flimsy. Lucius Annaeus Seneca

You asked a question I gave you an answer, its not really all that difficult, do try and keep up there a good chap When an author is too meticulous about his style, you may presume that his mind is frivolous and his content flimsy. Lucius Annaeus Seneca

I feel sorry for her husband...Fuck, I think my ears are bleeding. When an author is too meticulous about his style, you may presume that his mind is frivolous and his content flimsy. Lucius Annaeus Seneca

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/uk/article1053909.ece http://www.islamfortoday.com/terrorism.htm http://www.freemuslims.org/ http://www.danielpipes.org/blog/435 http://www.unc.edu/~kurzman/terror.htm http://www.unite-against-terror.com/ http://atheism.about.com/b/a/128216.htm http://www.maat.r8.org/ http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/3586703.stm http://www.int-review.org/terr42a.html http://gatewaypundit.blogspot.com/2006/03/massive-muslim-protest-in-bahrain.html http://www.awesomelibrary.org/Muslims.html http://gatewaypundit.blogspot.com/2005/11/massive-muslim-demonstration-against.html http://adloyada.typepad.com/adloyada/2005/11/150000_muslims_.html Guess you should read wider. When an author is too meticulous about his style, you may presume that his mind is frivolous and his content flimsy. Lucius Annaeus Seneca

Some of what you say is true not of Muslim countries in genreral but of some countries and its not down to Islam but to the politics of those countries. For example Saudi Arabia, Americas number one allie in the region is as you most likely know one of the most repressive regimes in the world. The fact that it is so closely alligned with Washington points out the glaring lie that America gives a fuck about freedom and democracy, it only cares about whats under the sand not about the lives of those above it. If you want a good example of a Muslim country look at Turkey which has just re voted the Islamist AK party back into power. Its democratic, pro European, legaly secularly equal, anti extremist, economicly very sucessful, capatalist, it has abolished the death penalty, pro minority (including iving minorities the right to education in their own language), it has reformed human rights including the end ing punishment for critisim of the armed forces and has even tried to change the law to stop the military from interveaning in the democratic process. That is the closest to a true Islamic state. The sad fact is that until Washington stops supporting state sponsered terror and despotic regimes Turkey will remain as the exception rather than the norm. http://www.newstatesman.com/200707260016 When an author is too meticulous about his style, you may presume that his mind is frivolous and his content flimsy. Lucius Annaeus Seneca

The question is stupid. Of course terrorism is real but its far from just perpatrated by Muslims. Did you know that yesterday Police in Northern Ireland recovered four hundered pounds of home made explosive from a bomb making factory? NO? Well no fucking suprise there seeing as the Terrorists weren't Muslim no one gives a shit. When an author is too meticulous about his style, you may presume that his mind is frivolous and his content flimsy. Lucius Annaeus Seneca

I think Europe should simply deport its Muslim populations back to the Muslim sewer states of their choosing, where they can blow themselves up, kill each other, and treat their women like livestock to their hearts' content. There's not a reason on earth to tolerate one inch of their bullshit. Your cultures are at stake, so what the fuck will you finally do about it ? Hard to deport people from England to England When an author is too meticulous about his style, you may presume that his mind is frivolous and his content flimsy. Lucius Annaeus Seneca

Agreed When an author is too meticulous about his style, you may presume that his mind is frivolous and his content flimsy. Lucius Annaeus Seneca

I think its a great idea. If you don't want to be sliced up just say so, put your name on a register and thats it you're untouchable mate. If you have to spend week after week on dialysis wards seeing what those people go through and others in need of heart and lungs and other organs, watching people die for want of what we burn and bury then maybe you might feel differently. I say lets do it. (Yes I'm on the donor register and the bone marrow register) When an author is too meticulous about his style, you may presume that his mind is frivolous and his content flimsy. Lucius Annaeus Seneca

Thought it had more charm than 'barrio dwelling slum urchin. When an author is too meticulous about his style, you may presume that his mind is frivolous and his content flimsy. Lucius Annaeus Seneca

I thought you'd have been well chuffed over that I mean after all they were Muslims or is it only the brown Muslims you hate? When an author is too meticulous about his style, you may presume that his mind is frivolous and his content flimsy. Lucius Annaeus Seneca

Mind you don't bite that tongue. When an author is too meticulous about his style, you may presume that his mind is frivolous and his content flimsy. Lucius Annaeus Seneca

Once again I thank you for your informed, balanced, reasoned argument. When an author is too meticulous about his style, you may presume that his mind is frivolous and his content flimsy. Lucius Annaeus Seneca

...and very few of them are stepping up against the extremists that are marring their faith. While we are trying to not make it about religion, the other side already has. I disagree, its just that you don't hear about them often. What about the Red Mosque incident, Rambo the gate guard, and more events than I've got time to mention right now. The truth is no one wants to hear about Muslim good guys, they simply don't sell news (or the GWOT for that matter either) When an author is too meticulous about his style, you may presume that his mind is frivolous and his content flimsy. Lucius Annaeus Seneca

o you really think that the US and UK special forces aren't there already? When an author is too meticulous about his style, you may presume that his mind is frivolous and his content flimsy. Lucius Annaeus Seneca

BINGO! We have a winner! When an author is too meticulous about his style, you may presume that his mind is frivolous and his content flimsy. Lucius Annaeus Seneca

Tom Tancredo is a clear example of an American who is unable to grasp the fact that other cultures are different from his and that others see life through a different lens. His thinking goes something like well if they are religious then they will want to protect their 'churchs' and sites of pilgramage just like a good Christian would....Wrong. If he had the faintest insight into the mind of Salafi and Wahibi 'theology/philiosophy' or had even bothered to pick up the Economist or even the mickey mouse tabloid Time magazine he would know that in Saudi Arabia they have bulldozed and continue to bulldoze every site that has anything to do with the Prophet Mohammed. Their thinking is that they want people to worship God and not Prophet Mohammed, so they destroy any place that has an association with him in a historical context so that it does not become a site of pilgramage. How far this policy will extend is anyones guess but bombing Muslim 'holy' site would not only be pointless it would play into the hands of the extremists and do nothing for the US's security. In short Tom Tancredo is a fucking idiot. When an author is too meticulous about his style, you may presume that his mind is frivolous and his content flimsy. Lucius Annaeus Seneca

Think it has more to do with the fact that shes a woman driving a car But on a serious side I'd like to see them banned in public like the hijab is in Turkey. Its not a Islamic requirement its a Saudi custom, so lets get rid of it. When an author is too meticulous about his style, you may presume that his mind is frivolous and his content flimsy. Lucius Annaeus Seneca

Well Zarqawis dead now so fuck him. Next argument. When an author is too meticulous about his style, you may presume that his mind is frivolous and his content flimsy. Lucius Annaeus Seneca

I disagree, wave a big flag and go out after dark on your own, its all about hearts and minds after all. Good luck little gaucho. When an author is too meticulous about his style, you may presume that his mind is frivolous and his content flimsy. Lucius Annaeus Seneca

Sounds good doesn't it? Except I belive it will be another toothless tiger that will stand by and watch while the people are killed and then offer a plaster or two. Time the UN found its claws. Also the troops are going to be African troops I belive. With the exception of South African troops and possibly Egyptian that almost guarentees a cluster fuck (probably quite litrally) When an author is too meticulous about his style, you may presume that his mind is frivolous and his content flimsy. Lucius Annaeus Seneca