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Clearly you either didn't read my post or didn't understand it seeing as the above is what I suspect was the cause of the mans death. When an author is too meticulous about his style, you may presume that his mind is frivolous and his content flimsy. Lucius Annaeus Seneca

Man! You guys are good! Preexisting conditions, cause of death ...and all from a shaky video from 30 feet away!!!! I'm guessing tricuspid valve vegetation and bacterial endocarditis. Guess you missed this bit '(obviously without any knowledge of his medical history)' When an author is too meticulous about his style, you may presume that his mind is frivolous and his content flimsy. Lucius Annaeus Seneca

Nice reply. If democracy was installed in Pakistan the Army would be answerable to the Gov. So I'd think that if the government wanted to use the weapons then the army would most likely follow orders. Personnally I don't think Israel would tolerate such a situation. When an author is too meticulous about his style, you may presume that his mind is frivolous and his content flimsy. Lucius Annaeus Seneca

No worries I figured it out. Money is on the way. When an author is too meticulous about his style, you may presume that his mind is frivolous and his content flimsy. Lucius Annaeus Seneca

I'd like to help but have never used Paypal before. How can I donate? When an author is too meticulous about his style, you may presume that his mind is frivolous and his content flimsy. Lucius Annaeus Seneca

If Pakistan ousts General Musharaf and a non moderate Islamist party take over the government of Pakistan what should the US do? I'm looking for answers from Americans. When an author is too meticulous about his style, you may presume that his mind is frivolous and his content flimsy. Lucius Annaeus Seneca

So you belive that if a Islamist party come to power in Pakistan who have nuclear weapons then the US will sit by and look the other way? When an author is too meticulous about his style, you may presume that his mind is frivolous and his content flimsy. Lucius Annaeus Seneca

I watched the video and to my mind (obviously without any knowledge of his medical history) it appears to me that the cause of death was most likely not the Tazer charges but postural asphyxiation. If you watch the video you can see that the Polish man is carrying a gut on him and clearly has an abnormal breathing pattern which is shallow and rapid. He is also sweating and is pale in appearance possibly he had a heart problem clearly he is very agitated. All of the aforementioned heighten the risks for postural asphyxia. Just after the RCMP Tazer him he is placed onto his front which would push the fat around his gut backwards and upwards against his thoracic diaphragm making it harder to breath. A policeman then mounts the mans upper back using his weight to push down on the mans thorax reducing the ability of the man to expand and relax his intercostal muscles and rib cage. The policeman’s legs are against the mans neck possibly constricting the vagus nerve and most defiantly hampering the mans ability to breath unimpeded. Finally the catalyst to the mans demise, another policeman places his hand on the small of the mans back and applies pressure further exacerbating the effect of pushing his abdominal contents upwards against the chest cavity. The man looses consciousness and death follows. I wouldn't be to quick to judge the RCMP on this one. The man appeared to be Tazered twice but for the above mentioned reasons I doubt that that significantly contributed to his death. The man was aggressive and behaving in an irrational manner and had already displayed violent behaviour. A long time ago before I went off to med school and before postural asphyiation was widely known about in law enforcment circles I was in a similar situation in a riot situation with a large aggressivly violent suspect who I had subdued and place restraints on, I laid him down on his front without pressure on his back, he lost consciousness in under a minute. At first my team and I thought he was taking the piss and trying it on then I suddenly realised what was happening and turned him onto his side so he could breath again and he came around. The speed that this happens is quite frightening and such that if you are not aware of the life threatening situation it is very possible to think that the man who was violent only seconds before is trying to pull a fast one to lure you in or claim brutality. From what I saw in that video it seems that the RMCP on scene were in that situation, at first they seem to be not sure if the man is really out of it and they remain on top of him for some time after he appears to loose consciousness. As for why they didn't perform CPR, I have been to many MVA/RTC's where the Police dispite having been trained as first aiders either didn't seem to really know what to do or were very reluctant to get involved and would rather wait for the Paramedics to arrive. I think this is most likely a training issue. Its sad when someone dies alone firghtened and surounded by people they can't communicate with I've seen it a few times and its always sad but this guys death was tragic because I suspect it was avoidable. I'll be interested by the result of the investigation and inquest. When an author is too meticulous about his style, you may presume that his mind is frivolous and his content flimsy. Lucius Annaeus Seneca

I think he may really be acting in the best interests of his country. If a Islamist party gets into power I think he knows that there is a high chance of the US nuking Pakistan. The lawyers in Pakistan don't seem to have realised that. When an author is too meticulous about his style, you may presume that his mind is frivolous and his content flimsy. Lucius Annaeus Seneca

Thanks, that is interesting. When an author is too meticulous about his style, you may presume that his mind is frivolous and his content flimsy. Lucius Annaeus Seneca

Sure just as soon as I see DJL in green. When an author is too meticulous about his style, you may presume that his mind is frivolous and his content flimsy. Lucius Annaeus Seneca

Gutted. Just found out. Condolences to all his friends and family. Tootsins Tonto BSBD When an author is too meticulous about his style, you may presume that his mind is frivolous and his content flimsy. Lucius Annaeus Seneca

How did it feel being at the Japaneese sites John? What were the locals like towards you? When an author is too meticulous about his style, you may presume that his mind is frivolous and his content flimsy. Lucius Annaeus Seneca

Glad I wasn't him. When an author is too meticulous about his style, you may presume that his mind is frivolous and his content flimsy. Lucius Annaeus Seneca

Strange, I didn't think there was anything illegal about owning replica firearms. Like another poster pointed out it helps the local constabulary keep up their crime figures without really doing anything to prevent gun crime. Pathetic. When an author is too meticulous about his style, you may presume that his mind is frivolous and his content flimsy. Lucius Annaeus Seneca

LOL...Come visit me in Northern Ireland and see how well Christian sub-cultures (i.e., Catholic vs. Prods) live together. When an author is too meticulous about his style, you may presume that his mind is frivolous and his content flimsy. Lucius Annaeus Seneca

The thread you are referring to was started by a american / westerner and the comments made by the muslims, to me, are pretty tame and in retaliation in comparison to posts on here and other websites classifying all Muslims as terrorists. Pigeon-holing all of Islam because of literally a handful of extremists is wrong. I live in an Islamic country and trust me, to tar all Muslims with the same brush as Al-Qaeda is shocking and down right ridiculous. yes, countries like Saudi and Iran have much stricter rules than the west regarding religion but so what? that is their way - it doesnt mean they want to kill people of other religions. Unlike the US government who seem hell bent on wiping out the Middle East (however avoiding touching Israel) Bloody realist! When an author is too meticulous about his style, you may presume that his mind is frivolous and his content flimsy. Lucius Annaeus Seneca

John, I don't think anyone could argue with any dispasionate logic that the firearms ban has done nothing to lower firearms related crime but also if they hadn't have banned the firearms there would still be no improvement in the crime figures. So other than the obvious point I just mentioned is there another point that you are trying to make? When an author is too meticulous about his style, you may presume that his mind is frivolous and his content flimsy. Lucius Annaeus Seneca

Nawaz Sharif,wasn't forcebly deported but was given the option to stay and face coruption charges. He decided to run off to Saudi Arabia. He is a corupt villan who is only out to line his pockets. Musharaf is screwed for sure but at the moment his best chance (and Pakistans) is to form a coalition with Bhuto (also not exactly sqeeky clean and relinquish his uniform. When an author is too meticulous about his style, you may presume that his mind is frivolous and his content flimsy. Lucius Annaeus Seneca

If the UK couldn't effectively seal the border between NI and the RI then what chance does Pakistan have of sealing its massive western border with Afghanistan. As for the NWFP that has only ever been Pakistani territory in name only. With all its millitary power America can't seal its border with Mexico and thats without the Mountains along with real desert and insurgents. Anuone who belives that Musharaf isn't doing his best to stop the Taliban rise is either deluded or ill informed. When an author is too meticulous about his style, you may presume that his mind is frivolous and his content flimsy. Lucius Annaeus Seneca

Source: The Sun I can see you as a Islamist John When an author is too meticulous about his style, you may presume that his mind is frivolous and his content flimsy. Lucius Annaeus Seneca

No he just looks like that but he was in Australia only last week! When an author is too meticulous about his style, you may presume that his mind is frivolous and his content flimsy. Lucius Annaeus Seneca

God that must be a boring job going thorugh peoples e-mails everyday. Good work you US e-mail readers and also the German Intelligence agencies and police units. Well done (just incase you're reading this) When an author is too meticulous about his style, you may presume that his mind is frivolous and his content flimsy. Lucius Annaeus Seneca

Its a comic rather than a 'newspaper' and as the Conservatioves stand as much chance of winning the next election as Osama Bin Laden has of becoming the next Congressman of Texas. I wouldn't worry about it. When an author is too meticulous about his style, you may presume that his mind is frivolous and his content flimsy. Lucius Annaeus Seneca

White Germans.. Fritz, Adem and Dan, "LOOSER! LOOSER!" http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070905/ap_on_re_eu/germany_terror When an author is too meticulous about his style, you may presume that his mind is frivolous and his content flimsy. Lucius Annaeus Seneca