mrshutter45

yes the newspaper can make mistakes. this goes for prison records as well. the newspaper must of had files on Weber. they state the judge and dates as well. Duane has given different names and I'm sure different birth dates. I trust the articles to be pretty accurate...... the judges name is the one who sent him to the county jail. not California judge....I stand corrected. "It is surprising how aggressive people get, once they latch onto their suspect and say, 'Hey, he's our guy.' No matter what you tell them, they refuse to believe you" Agent Carr FBI

he left Jefferson prison a free and clear man. no probation, no parole. I believe Duane was in B.C. North Carolina in 71. "It is surprising how aggressive people get, once they latch onto their suspect and say, 'Hey, he's our guy.' No matter what you tell them, they refuse to believe you" Agent Carr FBI

it's always been if you got in trouble again, you face the same Judge. I can see the Judge giving Duane a break due to his age, but he pissed the Judge off, so he sent him to prison. I'm sure they took him right back from where he started. it was only about 2 months before he screwed up his probation. it was about a month or so ago, I stated that it was strange they sent him to prison for a first time offense. you said that it was not like today, they were more harsh back then. the articles fail to indicate this and leans more to what I said a while back. he was given a chance and blew it. looks like he left shortly after being put on probation. "It is surprising how aggressive people get, once they latch onto their suspect and say, 'Hey, he's our guy.' No matter what you tell them, they refuse to believe you" Agent Carr FBI

I remember saying something to you about Duane's first conviction being harsh. you said the Judge (was tough) seen his military record and sent him to prison. according to these newspaper articles sent to me via PM. it seems Duane was put on probation (as I thought) and he violated it sending him to a Federal prison. these things should have been known years ago....... "It is surprising how aggressive people get, once they latch onto their suspect and say, 'Hey, he's our guy.' No matter what you tell them, they refuse to believe you" Agent Carr FBI

"I could not say enough in praise about Mrshutter and two other persons in this thread who have gently defended me" I'm not defending anyone. I am just showing information about Duane's past. take the Commutation. there is no mystery here (see docs) he was scheduled to get out of prison Jan. 29, 1969. that's with gain time. if he screwed up he would be released 1-29-1970. so it's not uncommon for a inmate to file for a commutation. we seen that lot's of inmates received one around the time Duane did from his intake record. as for McCoy getting him out.....it simply didn't happen........ I also provided a list of everyone released in March of 1968. you will probably need to print them out in order to read the names. the 85 days was credit from time served in the county jail before he was sentenced...... "It is surprising how aggressive people get, once they latch onto their suspect and say, 'Hey, he's our guy.' No matter what you tell them, they refuse to believe you" Agent Carr FBI

this is about all I can handle at this moment, I'll be backing off from posting for a couple months. it's ridiculous to try and resolve anything on this site...... my PM will be open if any one wishes to contact me..... Thank You. "It is surprising how aggressive people get, once they latch onto their suspect and say, 'Hey, he's our guy.' No matter what you tell them, they refuse to believe you" Agent Carr FBI

"Let me get this straight, Shutter. You plan to retrace the flight path, and if it doesn't add up...you have no plans to consult Rataczak about the difference? " you have no clue as to what you are even saying, once again,where do I claim not to mention anything about the path if it is not as they present it? Shutter said this about the path if it was wrong "this can be a good start in finding any answers in the future." this means something could be wrong and worth investigating, sure Rat would be consulted along with others. do I have to clear everything with Bill? I know it's not a real 727, are you a real investigator? you better be checking with the FBI prior to making any more statements according to your guidelines? by not being a qualified investigator how can we make "assessments as truth from you? how many hairs do you wish to split over one post made by Robert99? Jesus age Christ son. then to top it off, you are pushing yet another book??? you forgot the AB site address for added flow to your site. "It is surprising how aggressive people get, once they latch onto their suspect and say, 'Hey, he's our guy.' No matter what you tell them, they refuse to believe you" Agent Carr FBI

what happened to 10-15 miles? you have been stating this for years? super memory burning out lmao "It is surprising how aggressive people get, once they latch onto their suspect and say, 'Hey, he's our guy.' No matter what you tell them, they refuse to believe you" Agent Carr FBI

I have the simulator fully functional now and is ready for actual testing. I have to spend considerable time with uploading the weather into the system that will be given by Hominid. lot's and lot's of data....... here is a test video on cloud coverage, the new problem is the on board recording system known as Fraps records about 950 MB's per minute. it's uncompressed, so I have to compress the files, but get a color loss that I'm working on. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KbVCIAlQPqA here is the inside complete.... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=saRw-ltPy1g "It is surprising how aggressive people get, once they latch onto their suspect and say, 'Hey, he's our guy.' No matter what you tell them, they refuse to believe you" Agent Carr FBI

Robert, first of all who is claiming anyone is moving the flight path? where are you reading into this so deep that you believe this? Robert99 is suggesting some valid points in reference to the FBI path might be incorrect. you are now "assuming" the plane flew over I-405. should I now tell you that we have no "assessment of truth" in your statement and you need to contact Bill before making such a statement? some people on here are basing information with experience, not assumptions! it appears to me that Robert99 has done a lot of research into this, and has valid points that need further research. this information is new, so, steps will be taken looking further into this comment. how do you know one of us hasn't talked with Bill, you think I'm flying off the seat of my pants knowing nothing? if you followed my trail I have mentioned several times that I have inside information as to how the plane was flown! FINAL TIME STATING THIS....... I am retracing the FBI flight path, I take off from SEA and fly to Toledo just like they did, turn eastward to Merwin lake area, just as they did. following the path, speed, altitude, time and weather condition just as they did. if thie time frames add up, I can say, hey. the path seems to be correct. if not, this can be a good start in finding any answers in the future. nobody is trying to discredit the 40+ year old map made by a bunch of smart guys. stick with your KC theory and try to stay out of this.....Thank You. "It is surprising how aggressive people get, once they latch onto their suspect and say, 'Hey, he's our guy.' No matter what you tell them, they refuse to believe you" Agent Carr FBI

"But since we're talking flight path of 305....how reasonable is it to assume a flight crew would agree to fly an aircraft over a major metropolitan area, like Vancouver/Portland" very good question, one of the reason you wonder about the flight path. I believe the pilots agreed to "go around Portland" for safety. he wouldn't be in the right pattern if he had to land at PDX. altitude and location problems. (approach) would be wrong. from the 20:17 location down to 20:20 has a lot of water around this area that leads into the Columbia. just something to role around in your head. according to what I see on the map, the plane does fly over close to the "City of Portland" largest populated area is east of the path. I don't know????? "It is surprising how aggressive people get, once they latch onto their suspect and say, 'Hey, he's our guy.' No matter what you tell them, they refuse to believe you" Agent Carr FBI

I know Rataczak's wife is ill. I know also he was hit by a truck while riding his bicycle. He still goes to NWA events, he still answers sensible calls about the hijacking. His contact info is in the White Pages. I'm saying his opinion on this 'east or west of Portland' question is important, since unlike either you, me, or Robert99, he was actually behind the controls that night. So ask him. Otherwise, you have only Robert99's opinion on this. As I said earlier, this is a no-brainer. Both of you are dodging here. Rataczak CAN be approached for questions, just not from folks like BK, for example. I think Robert99 is a good example of someone who Rataczak would speak with regarding this question. (DELETED PORTION) This is no big deal. He's in the book, guys. And before you start rewriting history and changing the flight path, maybe you should (you think?) check with one of the pilots on that flight. And I have swampland in Florida where you could build an entire community of retirement homes for blind Blevinites. That dog and pony show is rival to any Shakespearian Farce. Not true. You all bought a can of worms. TWO different stories have been told. I'll buy the one given to Ralph and me, supported by 'Janet' and McCoy, not Bleep and Jo. And that's the TROOT! Misdirection in the purest form, guys. The flight was 20 miles WEST of the reported path per the man hisself. Verified by Janet's report and confirmed to me by Richard McCoy. If this isn't proof of the Blevins frontman activities, nothing is. Write a paperback of deception and talk it up, one thing after another. Nice try, but you have overdone your role Bleep. Your skivies is showin'. Jig's up. You been identified. You get a tatoo on the forehead. Did you shoot Cossey???? "The flight was 20 miles WEST of the reported path" You don't say......it's been 10-15 from you for years, now it's 20.....here is a real map showing your path. this puts the plane almost 10 mile west of the Columbia. "Did you shoot Cossey???? " are you actually accusing someone of Murder? you need to be removed. this will be reported. I hope others will do the same. "It is surprising how aggressive people get, once they latch onto their suspect and say, 'Hey, he's our guy.' No matter what you tell them, they refuse to believe you" Agent Carr FBI

if you take note, it appears Robert99 was questioning parts of the flight path, Blevins gets all fired up and tells both of us that we need to contact Rataczak. so, I guess we can't post anything about the flight path without contacting.... Bill Rataczak 7522 Pleason Ave NW South Haven, MN 55382-3810 (320) 236-7982 "It is surprising how aggressive people get, once they latch onto their suspect and say, 'Hey, he's our guy.' No matter what you tell them, they refuse to believe you" Agent Carr FBI

"It is surprising how aggressive people get, once they latch onto their suspect and say, 'Hey, he's our guy.' No matter what you tell them, they refuse to believe you" Agent Carr FBI

The plane passed Portland on the East side of the flight path! This per statements made to me by Rataczak. As he could see the haze or whatever you guys want to call it of Vancouver...out his right window. My conversation took place with the co-pilot many many yrs ago. My memory of conversations - you guy will soon I hope find are very good. Remember he was allowed to make decision as long as he stayed within the Vector. They did NOT know positively if Cooper was still there or not. Jo, where was Bill stating the location of the plane was when he made this statement? if he could still see Vancouver, he was not close enough to Portland to say he flew east of Portland. there is one good position just after Battleground where he could see Vancouver and Portland out the right side of the aircraft....... "It is surprising how aggressive people get, once they latch onto their suspect and say, 'Hey, he's our guy.' No matter what you tell them, they refuse to believe you" Agent Carr FBI

I'm simply amazed how someone can take the above quote and not only suggest a "new flight path" is being generated, but individuals are dodging questions? the last time I checked, I was retracing the FBI flight path in the way they are showing it. now I am dodging questions that were answered before his last comment? If someone was to ask me, I would say Robert99 is questioning the path, not rewriting it. but I don't think we are allowed to do this either without checking with... Bill Rataczak 7522 Pleason Ave NW South Haven, MN 55382-3810 (320) 236-7982 "It is surprising how aggressive people get, once they latch onto their suspect and say, 'Hey, he's our guy.' No matter what you tell them, they refuse to believe you" Agent Carr FBI

"It is surprising how aggressive people get, once they latch onto their suspect and say, 'Hey, he's our guy.' No matter what you tell them, they refuse to believe you" Agent Carr FBI

the FBI map appears to show the plane getting back onto V-23 at the Canby intersection? and fly's over Lake Oswego. if I'm correct..... "It is surprising how aggressive people get, once they latch onto their suspect and say, 'Hey, he's our guy.' No matter what you tell them, they refuse to believe you" Agent Carr FBI

you have to understand that Rataczak has spoken many times about the path, we know this. did you know his wife was very ill? he should not be bothered at this moment. Rataczak has claimed Cooper jumped 10-15 minutes after the last communication with Cooper, get your FBI map out and look where....let's say 18 minutes past 8:05 puts the plane? it would be nice to speak with him, but I don't think much more information will surface, or they would of already had the spot. the very spot you keep claiming Rataczak knows? if it was this easy, why did they put the jump area at 8:12, they did speak to the pilots ya know? that's only 7 minutes from the 8:05 position. so before you go asking for an "assessment of truth" perhaps you should allow someone to speak before you slam the door on them! or explore the fact of it being possible? would you like it if I posted the address of the Seattle FBI office every time you bring up KC? asking you to check with them before posting any type of truth? try going over things before you automatically deny any value or truth!! "It is surprising how aggressive people get, once they latch onto their suspect and say, 'Hey, he's our guy.' No matter what you tell them, they refuse to believe you" Agent Carr FBI

The problem with that is it was 2000 before any photos were shown to the witnesses - by the FBI. I will attach the photo they used and you tell me what you think? The in 1998 the FBI dismissed him with prints alone. The 2000 viewings by the witnesses was ONLY because I went PUBLIC! Otherwise I do not expect they would ever have been shown pics. Attaching pic! that quote looks pretty clean, you sure I wrote that "It is surprising how aggressive people get, once they latch onto their suspect and say, 'Hey, he's our guy.' No matter what you tell them, they refuse to believe you" Agent Carr FBI

I don't need a thicker sauce on this. I simply pointed out that he was in several prisons that have a reputation to them for being tough. a petty thief does not spend more than half his life in prison, he might be in and out of County jails. then you painted a picture of a prison farm similar to Green Acres type of happy go easy farm, which they are not. I realize the FBI has over 500 pages on Duane, he has been checked out and nothing connects. Jo is claiming a different story, and has not seen the records I have. having a lot of money all of the sudden in 1972 doesn't make someone Cooper either, last I checked, you have no idea where the money came from, so I wouldn't rock the boat too much I don't believe any suspects in the last couple years are Cooper either., not Duane, or LD, nor KC. no hard evidence anywhere......but you do have to check them...don't ya??? London prison farm (see photo) "It is surprising how aggressive people get, once they latch onto their suspect and say, 'Hey, he's our guy.' No matter what you tell them, they refuse to believe you" Agent Carr FBI

that's not entirely true, prison camps are not day care centers by any means. Duane has done some serious crimes, Burglary, escape, possession of a firearm to name a few. San Quentin, Folsom are certainly not a place for a pick pocket thief. perhaps the system has dealt Duane a shitty hand on some of these charges, but you are correct that he hasn't had any violent crimes, nor does this put him any closer to being Cooper. "The record is interesting. But it is reletively poor evidence to support the idea that Weber was Cooper" not true once again, you need to start from the beginning in order to validate anything about a person. a background check is one of the things you do. this tells a story about Weber's behavior. it may seem boring to some, but is necessary in finding answers .......... "It is surprising how aggressive people get, once they latch onto their suspect and say, 'Hey, he's our guy.' No matter what you tell them, they refuse to believe you" Agent Carr FBI

Jo replies: The crime was in 1957 - so I do not grasp what Florida did. Are there 2 arrest record for Florida. One in 1949 and one in 1957? This is too confusing for me to try to sort out like this. What is this 1949 Fla arrest you keep referring to? Perhaps I need hard copies I can sit and study. yes, apparently he was arrested twice, once in 49, and then in 1957 where he was sent back to Ohio. you must face the charges in the State is was committed. it's up to the State to justify the crime, is it worth bringing someone back, sometimes they just decide not to continue, or possibly seen he was already in enough trouble, many possibilities to search out. let's see what Ohio has to say in the future.... This is another reason you need to have Duane's rap sheet. this will show all known arrest's he had from start to finish. he was sent back to Ohio in 1949.... "It is surprising how aggressive people get, once they latch onto their suspect and say, 'Hey, he's our guy.' No matter what you tell them, they refuse to believe you" Agent Carr FBI

That data on SanQuentin/Folsom I have and it has been studied and they did RUN concurrently. This included his escape from the Ohio stent from which he escaped. I did discuss this matter several months ago. the escape was not running concurrent Jo, he was sent back to Ohio, probably put on Parole again, he violated this and then they cancelled the warrant. you can't serve time out of the State where it originated from. Federal charges can be served out of the State where the crime was committed, but not State crimes. That's why you see State Of Florida vs (insert name) if not mistaken a Federal crime will show "The United States" vs (insert name) Detective Ralph Lee said he was arrested in 1949 and returned to Ohio. this was from the Treasure Island report. "It is surprising how aggressive people get, once they latch onto their suspect and say, 'Hey, he's our guy.' No matter what you tell them, they refuse to believe you" Agent Carr FBI

Jo, don't read to hard into all of this without consulting someone. it seems by looking at the two release forms, it's possible they are linked. they are running concurrently, it's possible a transfer was involved. I don't know at this point. a simple answer could be found by the right person about these records. jumping to conclusions will only disrupt what has been found........ "It is surprising how aggressive people get, once they latch onto their suspect and say, 'Hey, he's our guy.' No matter what you tell them, they refuse to believe you" Agent Carr FBI