mrshutter45

ok Robert, take a look at the document I have provided and tell me where the problems are and why. these are from transcripts and words from Ckret reading what Bill R said in 1971 and finally what Bill said in the article you showed. "It is surprising how aggressive people get, once they latch onto their suspect and say, 'Hey, he's our guy.' No matter what you tell them, they refuse to believe you" Agent Carr FBI

Quote damned good work!

So, if we are to take the word of the flight path and what Rataczak says about his time frame we have a jump area well past the original jump area. why did they all agree in the first jump area? is it possible we have mistakes? Something is wrong here, I want to see if I can match the time frames given by the FBI. plain and simple. if things don't add up we have a stepping stone as to where the plane wasn't. I'm not trying to discredit any work on the map, I'm simply trying to find out if it can be flown as they present it. I wasted a whole day off going thru hoops on this....good nite "It is surprising how aggressive people get, once they latch onto their suspect and say, 'Hey, he's our guy.' No matter what you tell them, they refuse to believe you" Agent Carr FBI

So the time reported when the crew mentioned the oscillations was when Cooper most likely started down the stairs. The further he got down the stairs the more air would be rushing through the cabin. The pressure bump, which would be when he jumped, occurred (according to Rataczak) 10 to 15 minutes after their last contact with Cooper at 8:05. Now, this is also according to Rat, take the worse case in his time of 10-15 minutes and look on the map. this information is from Ckret, I'm guessing he is looking at files and quoting what Rat said.... "It is surprising how aggressive people get, once they latch onto their suspect and say, 'Hey, he's our guy.' No matter what you tell them, they refuse to believe you" Agent Carr FBI

Robert, where is the trick question. I told you the difference between the two. what time did the light go off? 7:43 aft light on..... "It is surprising how aggressive people get, once they latch onto their suspect and say, 'Hey, he's our guy.' No matter what you tell them, they refuse to believe you" Agent Carr FBI

Okay. I'll try to remember. Difference: One is like the shaking from a small earthquake. The other...watch out you don't bang your head on the ceiling. I haven't a clue, actually.

but again Robert, it says RE {mrshutter45} do you know the difference between oscillation and pressure bump? "It is surprising how aggressive people get, once they latch onto their suspect and say, 'Hey, he's our guy.' No matter what you tell them, they refuse to believe you" Agent Carr FBI

Translation: The dead guy will call you on his Dead Guy Smart Phone. If he feels like it. Right now he's sleeping. Well, sort of. (See attached picture) +1 "It is surprising how aggressive people get, once they latch onto their suspect and say, 'Hey, he's our guy.' No matter what you tell them, they refuse to believe you" Agent Carr FBI

Bob says: It can NEVER be prosecuted.... Bob says in 2006: Duane was told to clear all of the passengers and the stews before presenting the note. The fact that he did not do it correctly changed the charges to a life term offense, for kidnapping. The law is the law. Shutter says: all the above is incorrect, was the plane going to fly itself, that's the only way Coopers not getting kidnapping charges... Bob, the ship has sunk, you are now in the life raft and it's taking on water fast.....swim forrest swim yes Bob, the smart one (Farf) seen right thru ya too..... "It is surprising how aggressive people get, once they latch onto their suspect and say, 'Hey, he's our guy.' No matter what you tell them, they refuse to believe you" Agent Carr FBI

That is simply your opinion. Since your track record can not establish you as credible, your opinion is of no consequence. What I claim as facts are what was reported by Mr. McCoy as a matter of record and are verifiable my him at his option. There are still some aggressive Agents who have enough moxy to try to follow the real case. It can NEVER be prosecuted do to evidence tampering by old Agents. You can't expect this big an operation not to have a leak or two after this many years. It is time to spill the beans. Bob, it's illogical to try and claim something as a fact when you can't back it up. all I hear is BEEP, BEEP, BEEP Bob was a College drop out...wrong Bob claims Dave Haapala owns a communication company....wrong Bob, claims he went to his induction on a Saturday...wrong Bob claims Janets story is true, while Bob puts Cooper on the ground before she could see anything.......oops Bob claimed TOG was Bill Rataczak......FACT Bob claims a lot, but can't validate facts....TRUE.. as mentioned before, go back into the witness protection program you were using years ago... "It is surprising how aggressive people get, once they latch onto their suspect and say, 'Hey, he's our guy.' No matter what you tell them, they refuse to believe you" Agent Carr FBI

Spelled fraud, just like your town. There is a big difference between 'could be Cooper' and 'claiming KC was Cooper'. Quick excerpts: ***'Was Kenneth Christiansen the skyjacker ‘D.B. Cooper?’ We simply present the case for it. You’ll have to decide for yourself...' Robert, we decided a long time ago, stop already...... Unfortunately, whomever 'we' represents, 'we' is the not the FBI... My point, which I added late in that post, is for guys who whine about pushing books at DZ, you SURE bring up the book a lot. I was discussing the flight path and Paul Soderlind's hand in establishing that path. Some experts you guys are sometimes, LOL. Took me about three seconds to figure out the best way to validate the flight path might be to go through Soderlind's family. You could try the Seattle FBI, but since the Marla Fiasco they are more reticent to answer questions. However, they might answer on about the map/flight path if you do a letter. Sounds like you guys didn't even know who Soderlind was. That's hard to believe for such Cooper Experts, especially ones who pass judgment on KC without even attempting to verify the presented evidence. Yeah. That's good investigative technique there. That's why I asked earlier if your request for names on the creation of the flight path/flight map was a trick question...because I couldn't believe you didn't hear of Soderlind's work. He also helped established a possible jump point for Cooper. Rataczak has testified this previously. when did I bring up your book? the meaning of "we" would be the main posters here. you want an audience to listen to your story? try renting a hall or something. "we" have grown tired of hearing it. who said nobody knew who Paul was? you want me to contact a guy who got the jump location wrong? "It is surprising how aggressive people get, once they latch onto their suspect and say, 'Hey, he's our guy.' No matter what you tell them, they refuse to believe you" Agent Carr FBI

you are beat Bobby, you got nothing but cheap talk. Disneyland is looking for a new Goofy. please apply "It is surprising how aggressive people get, once they latch onto their suspect and say, 'Hey, he's our guy.' No matter what you tell them, they refuse to believe you" Agent Carr FBI

Spelled fraud, just like your town. There is a big difference between 'could be Cooper' and 'claiming KC was Cooper'. Quick excerpts: ***'Was Kenneth Christiansen the skyjacker ‘D.B. Cooper?’ We simply present the case for it. You’ll have to decide for yourself...' Robert, we decided a long time ago, stop already...... "It is surprising how aggressive people get, once they latch onto their suspect and say, 'Hey, he's our guy.' No matter what you tell them, they refuse to believe you" Agent Carr FBI

"It is surprising how aggressive people get, once they latch onto their suspect and say, 'Hey, he's our guy.' No matter what you tell them, they refuse to believe you" Agent Carr FBI

MRS Shutter - SO do YOU! You are one of the worse on this thread to deliberately confuse facts and fictions and that is on PURPOSE and U know this. WHAT EVER HAPPENED TO YOUR FLIGHT ASSIMILATION? What is YOUR expertise - other than to insult me? I am for one tired of U insulting me over and over when I TRY to stay out of technical conversations. I just spoke to 3 individuals who would have been approximately 20 in 1971. They DID NOT IN 1971 CONSIDER A WATCH AS A PIECE OF JEWELRY! Therefore had either of these individual have been stewardesses on that flight - and asked if Cooper wore any jewelry the answer would have been NO. If the answer was NO by both Tina and Florence - WHY do they believe that was Coopers Tie? Is not a tie tac a piece of jewelry. NO not by the 1971 standard! A tie tac was an item use for a purpose such as a watch. Earrings or a bracelet or necklace or ring would have been jewelry. Not a watch nor a tie tac! You see when you expel on certain things like this - it is simple to make it complicated. well. I guess those 3 people sum it up Jo??? it's not a assimilation, it's a simulation. try and keep up will ya if I'm not mistaken, they said they seen Cooper with a tie on, not the clip. the clip could have been covered by his jacket. make some more calls jo and get back to me..... by the way as I mentioned to Blevins, it's not a tie tac, a tie tac goes through the fabric. this had a alligator CLIP on it. "It is surprising how aggressive people get, once they latch onto their suspect and say, 'Hey, he's our guy.' No matter what you tell them, they refuse to believe you" Agent Carr FBI

Robert, it says, RE{mrshutter45} that means it's addressed to me, I don't care what is in the other boxes. it's addressed to mrshutter45..... "It is surprising how aggressive people get, once they latch onto their suspect and say, 'Hey, he's our guy.' No matter what you tell them, they refuse to believe you" Agent Carr FBI

Blevins, Do you have some names for these "outside experts"? Robert99 Who worked on the flight path of 305 after it left Seattle? Is that like a trick question or something? You should know the answer to this already. Let's just say LOTS of people. Okay. Radar info. The FBI. Certain people from Northwest Airlines. But you already knew that. If you want to discredit the official flight path, you will have to give PROOF on why it's inaccurate. You're just trying to dodge around all that in order to promote your They-Flew-Over-Tina-Bar-Which-Explains-Why-The-Money-Was-Found-There-And-Cooper-Must-Be-Dead stuff. Blevins, I am not trying to sell books or "stuff" (whatever you mean by that) and I didn't ask you a "trick question". So are you admitting that you don't have any names to back up your claims? However, I must confess that some of those names in Georger's list seem familiar from somewhere. It looks as if all the action on the thread took place late last night and real early this morning while I was getting some sleep. Robert99 he has automatically discredited everyone, he is claiming KC was Cooper, so this means everything that everyone else is saying is wrong! if I'm not mistaken Robert99, you did your calculations in order to justify things correct, not to prove the flight path is wrong. I am trying to validate the path as the FBI shows it, not to discredit the path as Blevins thinks people are doing. the cops do they same thing recreating a crime scene. we don't have the computer cards from the radar, we don't have the money to rent a 727 and find the perfect weather condition to fly the path again. Blevins needs to understand that not everyone is out to discredit the FBI nor is it the intention...... how many years was there a "magic bullet" in the JFK shooting, how did they find out it wasn't magic? recreation maybe? Robert99: Tell me you haven't suggested that the flight path somehow makes it possible Cooper jumped within reach of Tina Bar? And who said I claimed KC was Cooper? How in the frock would I know that? (*Insufficient evidence to convict*) I don't get WHY people are asking who laid out the flight path of 305, i.e. 'Where Should We Search'. We're talking Sluggo-site maps with lines on them. And cross lines, and approximate times penciled in. And using those maps to deploy search teams. Okay. You want to recreate the flight, just follow the maps I suppose. Well...Paul Soderlind and his team at NWA had a large hand in all that. Folks at the FBI. Radar guys (and possibly gals) Crew of 305. This is a question for the FBI. You want to validate the flight path, see if they screwed up. Understandable. You want verification. I'm big on that, too. But Soderlind was good at his job. In fact, he was VERY, VERY good... Brass Tack Time: You want to discount the official flight path, you had better come to the table with solid evidence showing it is wrong. And you'd better be smarter than Paul Soderlind, who may have been the best pilot ever to come out of NWA. well, Mr. Blevins, since the flight path is 100% correct and you claim they know what they are doing we can now say the entire case is flawless. they said Cooper died in the jump, someone said earlier...where is the body and his stuff? should be pretty simple using your logic...no? "It is surprising how aggressive people get, once they latch onto their suspect and say, 'Hey, he's our guy.' No matter what you tell them, they refuse to believe you" Agent Carr FBI

the stairs were not locked in the movie either Jo, the stairs retract right after he jumps..... "It is surprising how aggressive people get, once they latch onto their suspect and say, 'Hey, he's our guy.' No matter what you tell them, they refuse to believe you" Agent Carr FBI

who are you talking too?????? "It is surprising how aggressive people get, once they latch onto their suspect and say, 'Hey, he's our guy.' No matter what you tell them, they refuse to believe you" Agent Carr FBI

nobody seen a watch..........take a picture of his socks while your at it...ya never know you didn't answer the question about the stairs??? also, damaged does not mean inoperable.... "It is surprising how aggressive people get, once they latch onto their suspect and say, 'Hey, he's our guy.' No matter what you tell them, they refuse to believe you" Agent Carr FBI

Jo, they couldn't have locked the stairs, how would they get the stairs to go back up after the sled left the stairs????? you are the one starting myths, nobody seen a watch and yet you want to put Duanes watch in as evidence? myth... "It is surprising how aggressive people get, once they latch onto their suspect and say, 'Hey, he's our guy.' No matter what you tell them, they refuse to believe you" Agent Carr FBI

I am not wrong. I seen the clip. I didn't see any stairs nor did that tell the speed the plane was traveling. big difference, it was a static line jump. is that what cooper did??? it was similar, but not the same..... "It is surprising how aggressive people get, once they latch onto their suspect and say, 'Hey, he's our guy.' No matter what you tell them, they refuse to believe you" Agent Carr FBI

listen Mr. no proof, you have no say in anything that goes on in this form. you have been caught many times with deception, stop trying to be what you are not! you want to tell the story but can't back it up. Facts are backed up with proof, not words. you and Jo need lessons on the meaning of FACTS. "It is surprising how aggressive people get, once they latch onto their suspect and say, 'Hey, he's our guy.' No matter what you tell them, they refuse to believe you" Agent Carr FBI

"but spooky to watch considering the hot exhaust from the center engine that exits right at the tail cone." spooky yes, but I thinks it's about the same as waving your hand over a flame, just to quick to do anything..... is the paratrooper aware of DB Cooper? "It is surprising how aggressive people get, once they latch onto their suspect and say, 'Hey, he's our guy.' No matter what you tell them, they refuse to believe you" Agent Carr FBI

Blevins, Do you have some names for these "outside experts"? Robert99 Who worked on the flight path of 305 after it left Seattle? Is that like a trick question or something? You should know the answer to this already. Let's just say LOTS of people. Okay. Radar info. The FBI. Certain people from Northwest Airlines. But you already knew that. If you want to discredit the official flight path, you will have to give PROOF on why it's inaccurate. You're just trying to dodge around all that in order to promote your They-Flew-Over-Tina-Bar-Which-Explains-Why-The-Money-Was-Found-There-And-Cooper-Must-Be-Dead stuff. Blevins, I am not trying to sell books or "stuff" (whatever you mean by that) and I didn't ask you a "trick question". So are you admitting that you don't have any names to back up your claims? However, I must confess that some of those names in Georger's list seem familiar from somewhere. It looks as if all the action on the thread took place late last night and real early this morning while I was getting some sleep. Robert99 he has automatically discredited everyone, he is claiming KC was Cooper, so this means everything that everyone else is saying is wrong! if I'm not mistaken Robert99, you did your calculations in order to justify things correct, not to prove the flight path is wrong. I am trying to validate the path as the FBI shows it, not to discredit the path as Blevins thinks people are doing. the cops do they same thing recreating a crime scene. we don't have the computer cards from the radar, we don't have the money to rent a 727 and find the perfect weather condition to fly the path again. Blevins needs to understand that not everyone is out to discredit the FBI nor is it the intention...... how many years was there a "magic bullet" in the JFK shooting, how did they find out it wasn't magic? recreation maybe? "It is surprising how aggressive people get, once they latch onto their suspect and say, 'Hey, he's our guy.' No matter what you tell them, they refuse to believe you" Agent Carr FBI