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It couldn't be from Robert looking on my forum Robert claims the following.... I deleted the shortcut to that site. I don't bother with that site anymore. I gave up the habit. It's not worth my time. I only look while at Greg's house on Sunday's. I look every once in a while. I can view it anytime I wish. Who makes up things around here? same twisty turns the KC saga has... You can bet if he visits this site 10 times a day for updates, he does the same over on my forum. "It is surprising how aggressive people get, once they latch onto their suspect and say, 'Hey, he's our guy.' No matter what you tell them, they refuse to believe you" Agent Carr FBI

He can't even be accurate while reporting inaccuracies

I don't care. I don't want to see it...do-you-understand? I'm simply pointing out problems in your story. they are consistent with someone who is not being honest, or truthful. Knoss does the same by going round and round changing the subject reversing things onto the person who is questioning him. his story is like yours. it has multiple versions. it's all on this forum, and shouldn't be taken off it either! you had no problem putting it on here, but go silent when confronted! Of course you don't want me to see it. I pointed out a lot of the error's in the first one. I had several others stating the same. smokin99 was a good source. I got nothing but time. it's not a problem. Just trying to keep you honest. I'll be watching "It is surprising how aggressive people get, once they latch onto their suspect and say, 'Hey, he's our guy.' No matter what you tell them, they refuse to believe you" Agent Carr FBI

I see you are on to of your game as usual.. I was talking about this! "And I think you are secretly upset I decided not to release the report publicly...mostly due to you." I took the extra "e" out of "secretely Does this also put me on double secret probation? The bottom line remains.....there is a liar in the Christiansen story. 5,000,000 pages can't change that. "It is surprising how aggressive people get, once they latch onto their suspect and say, 'Hey, he's our guy.' No matter what you tell them, they refuse to believe you" Agent Carr FBI

Do you realize how ridiculous that sounds? Again, you are the one with multiple stories and events. most have been proven. you are the one constantly bringing up the other forum as a diversion away from your actions. There is a Liar in the Christiansen story. You can't even be honest about how Skipp contacted you. claiming on here you had no knowledge of either. it's all smoke & mirrors..... "It is surprising how aggressive people get, once they latch onto their suspect and say, 'Hey, he's our guy.' No matter what you tell them, they refuse to believe you" Agent Carr FBI

your time quickly came to a halt in March of 2014 Robert with your little stunt about a week into the start of that forum. I don't need your material to discuss Cooper. I see you wish to continue shifting blame for your actions. it doesn't change the fact of multiple stories from one Robert Blevins does it? It's not what I believe Robert. it's what has been written by you! "It is surprising how aggressive people get, once they latch onto their suspect and say, 'Hey, he's our guy.' No matter what you tell them, they refuse to believe you" Agent Carr FBI

Bottom line is there is a liar in the Christiansen story. we can go on for pages, but it doesn't change the story line does it! "It is surprising how aggressive people get, once they latch onto their suspect and say, 'Hey, he's our guy.' No matter what you tell them, they refuse to believe you" Agent Carr FBI

Robert, there is nothing two faced about me. I am within my rights to ask questions on this forum regarding the Cooper case. this has zip to do with any other site Robert. stop shifting blame for your actions! you made the comments, not me. you signed up on a site under false pretenses, not me. this has zip to do with that. it has to do with your story. Kenny is not everyone and their brother. they know all about him. you sent them plenty of information multiple times. dating back before the first PDF, or is that also false? who knows with your versions. Knoss did the very same thing by changing things about what he claimed in the past. How would you know whats going on over there? did you regain your habit again? you know the one where you constantly reported you only look every once in a while? removed the shortcut, not going to view it anymore, I only look while at Greg's house on Sundays, I gave that habit up. those multiple stories. just like the others? You are the one in question about your story. I've been asking legitimate questions about your story for several days with constant drifting, and excuses, and shifting of blame. Bottom line is there is a liar in the Christiansen story. we can go on for pages, but it doesn't change the story line does it! "It is surprising how aggressive people get, once they latch onto their suspect and say, 'Hey, he's our guy.' No matter what you tell them, they refuse to believe you" Agent Carr FBI

Robert, they are not spending anything. you are submitting the DNA. they are not picking up the cost of that. it will be compared. minimal time and effort. I will have to look again, but I believe you were told to send it, no? if they didn't, then you will fall in with Vicki who was shot down as well. she went about it the correct way and it still didn't work. so, I guess you will be here for many years to come! you constantly live in the past. whining about filthy comments from years ago. I showed problems with the actual subject of DB Cooper and your story. not dragging peoples comments about you into the subject as you do. big difference. You have been talking about my forum, and attacking me personally for 9 months on this thread. it has nothing to do with DB Cooper in general. Your story, all versions are in question. regardless of the date. you claimed the FBI contacted you by phone, and email in Feb. of 2011 stating they didn't check the DNA. then off this thread where it would be clearly visible you claimed in July of 2011 that you would like to contact them about the DNA. I think you feel safe here with all the pages, and garbage covering it up. when it's clearly visible, you have a different statement about what you know, or what you claimed here in the past. as another poster said. there is a liar in the Christiansen story! past, or present makes no difference. "It is surprising how aggressive people get, once they latch onto their suspect and say, 'Hey, he's our guy.' No matter what you tell them, they refuse to believe you" Agent Carr FBI

I'm not worried about anything Robert. we are not talking about what currently is happening. it revolves around multiple stories. I have no problem with you submitting anything. drag Kenny's house over to the Seattle FBI, who cares. Once again, I could care less about the new report. you have this sense it bothers me, it hurts you more than anyone hiding it. I have all the time in the world. the ever growing pages of garble is not my concern. what has been claimed in past is a different story! what could I possibly do if I seen it. explain more error's that took you forever to admit? keep it. I don't need it Robert. that's as sincere as I can get. Why are you sending the report with the DNA? you should be submitting the DNA only. if something positive occurs. then send the report. anything negative with the DNA will make the report useless. "It is surprising how aggressive people get, once they latch onto their suspect and say, 'Hey, he's our guy.' No matter what you tell them, they refuse to believe you" Agent Carr FBI

You missed the point again Robert. you claimed in early 2011 on June 25, 2011 the FBI never checked the DNA on Christiansen. this was you talking about direct contact with the FBI. then a month later you said in an interview you would like to ask them if the ruled him out with the DNA? doesn't jive. You then told Greycop you wasn't sure if they did or not in 2013.(as far as I know) they conflict, you would label them quickly as lies with anyone else. The FBI also states this: “Being an open but not active case, we respond to every report or lead,” she tells me. “Our case agent will check them out and determine whether they’re credible." How long have they had the PDF with very, very, very, very minor error's in them? you didn't really send them a similar PDF you have shown here minus the addresses did you? "it's for camping dear" "Kenny had how much" and all the drama attached to it? that's a very unprofessional way to present things to the FBI Robert! it might be acceptable here, or online elsewhere, but not as submitting evidence. nothing happened did it? The main witness in this whole Cooper story has stated she had to look up at Cooper. no passenger, or close quarters will save you from that statement! Kenny was too short. you can try the Greycop spring loaded boots with risers in them 2+ inches if you wish? I don't think he comes here anymore. "It is surprising how aggressive people get, once they latch onto their suspect and say, 'Hey, he's our guy.' No matter what you tell them, they refuse to believe you" Agent Carr FBI

People need to see what you are doing here Robert! June 25, 2011 you claim you spoke with the FBI (again) about checking the DNA on KC. in another interview a month later you claim “I want to ask the FBI if they’ve compared the sample they have of Lyle Christiansen’s DNA and tested it with the DNA sample they supposedly now have from the tie.” 2013 you explain to greycop that the DNA has not been checked "as far as I know" this implies you never spoke with them as you claimed in the past! this also means Kenny, and Lyle. just in case you want to twist that around some. The story flip flops all over the place Robert. another poster has already understood a liar is in this story. perhaps more than one! The witnesses are obviously lying about this whole thing Robert. the memories are fading on the actual witnesses to the crime, but the suspects witnesses always seem to be perfect down to remembering petty things from over 40 years ago. you and Marla should of teamed up! The FBI does have a message for you. ” She insists all the suspects still being touted by Cooper sleuths have been ruled out – either because they don’t match the DNA or fingerprints they have on file, or because the descriptions just don’t match up. That will be a similar reply you will get next year! Are you really this dumb? you were banned from my site for several violations Robert. stop blaming me for your own actions! I don't expect you to fess up, most don't! this is what is called "being exposed" the story, as well as you have come into question. Sorry....... "It is surprising how aggressive people get, once they latch onto their suspect and say, 'Hey, he's our guy.' No matter what you tell them, they refuse to believe you" Agent Carr FBI

I don't know where you got the idea that Lyle was paying for the DNA profile, by the way. AB is covering the costs. That's how confident we are in the report." Robert, you seem to have a memory issue. you have claimed on this very site that Lyle was willing to pay for the testing, you went on to include that you couldn't afford it. 2012: Georger: would LyleChristiansen be up to a DNA/and or blood test. Yes. I have asked him, and he would do it. I can't set it up. I don't have the funds for it. Oct. 2014 (EDIT: I said it was around a hundred bucks. Truth is I don't know for sure, but I will check on it. I know Lyle will pay for this, even if it is twenty times that much.) I know Lyle has the money to do this, and I will be speaking to him about it in the next few days. Why would a guy on a tight budget over rule Lyle's admission? if Lyle doesn't want to pay for it now, what's that tell the "public" Do you think you are following the Chain Of Custody in a criminal investigation using DNA for evidence? "It is surprising how aggressive people get, once they latch onto their suspect and say, 'Hey, he's our guy.' No matter what you tell them, they refuse to believe you" Agent Carr FBI

That's a complete cop out Robert. some of the stories date back soon after you did the "investigation" it would be FRESH in your mind. the stories changed just like reading a bunch of Knoss comments. You are consistent with someone not being honest Robert. parts of the story has vanished from discussion. some should be remembered just from the level of importance. your not even being honest about how Skipp approached you at the start! you knew all about him and Christiansen! you write it like the big shot New York PI contacted you. One week it's something like this. "Kenny finds out he has cancer. Brian MacWilliams becomes his caretaker later." weeks later you state this. "the main caretakers were Robin and Carolyn Powell." You can't have a whole story surrounding an error Robert. different versions of how the money was found on the property is not an error. it's fabrication. "I consider the testimonies of Dawn, Helen Jones, and Carolyn Tyner to be absolutely rock-solid" More baloney! do you realize you have Carolyn Powell stating things to be fact, but then quickly retract her statements claiming she didn't know Kenny very well. this was after I read she claimed Kenny purchased the house for cash. Dawn lost two husbands, no records can be found of a third marriage. I believe she was married during the period she claims to be single! it also appears that she might be the one who worked for Boeing. County records show several loans dating back in the 70's from the "Boeing Credit Union" no records of the Gesstman's are found in the Pierce County records except the mother. It doesn't make sense for a single mother with a good paying job to take a loan from someone she doesn't really know, and purchase a house. then pays it back in two years. this being done as the sole income with children to take care of along with a new Mortgage. This all originated with Lyle wanting to make a movie about his brother being Cooper. It's possible all of you are in on this scheme. the motive could be gaining interest to raise the eyebrow's of Producers looking for a story such as this one. you have pushed this for years, and now towards the end it goes right back to the original intentions by you writing a screenplay trying once again to capture the producers, or Hollywood to bring Lyle's first known intentions to life. Dan Rattenbury has nothing to do with stating the Powells found the money on the property. Rattenbury also claims it was in the early 2000's, and not back when the Powells owned the house. you can see on the satellite the land was cleared just has Rattenbury claimed! you also don't show the records properly about who purchased the house. claiming the Powells sold the house soon after they got it. how could you come to that conclusion after writing the previous owners with the exception of David Canning? it appears you did some checking, but left parts out to fit your version in. I guess Marla is safe now, she claimed a small car was used in the crime, and then changed the story. that was early in her investigation to her Uncle being Cooper, right? you didn't catch her in a lie, it was an error from the hundreds of files she has on her uncle. she was simply mistaken about two different jump zones, right? all errors, not lies. she needed someone like you to help her control the common mistakes everyone makes during there investigation in to DB Cooper, right? you made a big stink about the comic book growing in Marla's story from one to several. how come this can't be a mistake, and not a lie? Nobody can believe anything you say from this point on Robert... "It is surprising how aggressive people get, once they latch onto their suspect and say, 'Hey, he's our guy.' No matter what you tell them, they refuse to believe you" Agent Carr FBI

I wish I had a CD of someone - anyone male singing Duane's song. "You'll Never Know" - Lou Rawls? "It is surprising how aggressive people get, once they latch onto their suspect and say, 'Hey, he's our guy.' No matter what you tell them, they refuse to believe you" Agent Carr FBI

It's basically confirming what many have thought over the years. His story about the money find on the property is familiar with the Tena bar find with kids finding the Cooper cash. "Her story differed on only one detail. She said the money was NOT turned in to her, but found by a boy who gave it to his parents. Then the parents turned it in to their bank to be sent along to the Treasury Department for replacement, since some of the bills were damaged." most damaged money can be replaced at a bank. it's almost like he is trying to prove the money could show up at the Treasury without detection! "It is surprising how aggressive people get, once they latch onto their suspect and say, 'Hey, he's our guy.' No matter what you tell them, they refuse to believe you" Agent Carr FBI

It gets worse by the minute. Records from the county indicate Robin Powell was willed Kenny's house after he died. Oct, 14, 2010 Robert writes: MacWilliams was the guy whom Kenny left his house to. The car went to another friend. The money, etc went to the family in Minnesota. As soon as Mac took possession of the house, he sold it to a couple who also knew Kenny. They were the ones who (allegedly) found $2,000 in twenties out back after they sold off the trees on the adjoining lot and the money was (allegedly) found in a pile of stumps. 2011: In late 2010, she verifies that approximately $2,000 in twenty-dollar bills was found in some stumps on the hill out back of the house, but since the property had already been sold by MacWilliams, she did not give it much thought. " wasn't it kids who "allegedly" found the money? what about the ad in the newspaper they ran (nobody seen) asking about the money? I'm sure this whole story will be another "error" he is referring to the Powell's who according to him (later on) didn't find the money on the property. they verified the story about the money on the property! "It is surprising how aggressive people get, once they latch onto their suspect and say, 'Hey, he's our guy.' No matter what you tell them, they refuse to believe you" Agent Carr FBI

When KC died, here was the basic deal. He had about 400k in the bank. His gold coin, silver coin, and stamp collection was valued at about 300k. This is according to the person who distributed the estate to the relatives. The house went to a guy who took care of Kenny in his last year, but this guy sold it the minute he got the title. Who sold the house the minute he got the tittle? The Powell's sold the house 1999 for $89k. not the "minute" he got the title. more drama added to the story! Did they "distribute" Kenny's estate, or auction it off? How did we reach $400k in the bank? it's always been $186,276, and $24,501 in another account with the usual response of "where did he get the money from?" Kenny is approaching a million bucks

Doesn't matter how old it is Robert. misinformation, lies, inaccuracies don't have time limits. if it did the case is over on Cooper. You don't want to answer questions about things, so be it. I showed some of the problems with the story you try and present. you got yourself into the position of being blocked from another site Robert. that has zip to do with what you have claimed on this site! Years back, you have a problem with that? what about the filthy comments you ran on about for years? about two years at the least. those comments go back to 2011. and once again it had zip to do with this thread. the story with the DNA goes all over the place, even taking place before Porteous! you dug that hole once again. nobody had a hand in it except you! it doesn't matter whether it was said a month ago, or 5 years ago. attacking me, or the "alternate site" changes nothing with what you have presented on this thread. you can't shift blame from your own actions. I never said anything was a pack of lies in the past. I can't say that at the moment though. I pointed out errors in your story, and what was on your website. it took months for you to start changing things! you are still giving inaccurate information. same for Skipps page! I don't need to read anything new. you have too much Baloney for my sandwich. I'm a beef kinda guy. "It is surprising how aggressive people get, once they latch onto their suspect and say, 'Hey, he's our guy.' No matter what you tell them, they refuse to believe you" Agent Carr FBI

Let me try to simplify this for you. you have a lot of problems with this story. someone is not being truthful about things. most people remember what they say, especially while trying to accuse someone of a Federal crime. you have every right to do what needs to be done to try and prove your story to the FBI, but it's really hard when you have multiple versions of what is going on. very hard to believe after reading back now. You seem to have trouble seeking the truth. it's called denial, I'm not trying to put you down by saying this, but every time clear plausible proof is shown, you try and deny it. I think you are so wrapped up into this you can't see what is actually transpiring right in front of you. Lots of people hate there jobs. it's part of life. Cooper said he didn't have a grudge against the airlines. that kind of rules that theory out. Kenny fails to meet several requirements of the description. getting over Tina looking up at Cooper is a hard hurdle for Kenny. his personality doesn't fit either. we have very good reasonable proof why Kenny had so much money in his account. the property sold for $300,000. does anyone know what Kenny was doing with that property? was it sitting there, did he lease it out. who paid the taxes on it? When you try and change everything about Cooper to fit a suspect. you can't possibly believe he could be Cooper. that's claiming everything is wrong from the start. you and Jo share the same quality when confronted. you don't want to listen to others, but have no problem making us listen. again, I'm being as honest as I can about this Robert. a lot of people don't read into all of this the way you do. Margie is scared of Bernie. how do you know she is not trying to get revenge. regardless of what her close friend says. people lie for all sorts of reasons Robert. I couldn't tell you for the life of me what type of jewelry my mother, father, brother, or sister had on 10 years ago, let alone 20, or 30! especially if it was only worn a couple times. it's too neatly wrapped up. Shutter "It is surprising how aggressive people get, once they latch onto their suspect and say, 'Hey, he's our guy.' No matter what you tell them, they refuse to believe you" Agent Carr FBI

You don't read people very well Robert. I don't need your theory to conclude this story doesn't stand up very well. why do I need to read more about FBI agents that never showed up, DNA that was lost they never had etc. you already admitted you don't think the FBI will buy your story! I got all the time in the world to watch it crumble on it's own. Dawns background means a lot Detective! I forgot you guys never checked things I figured you would spin the interview. supplying DNA doesn't prove Lyle believes his brother was Cooper. it can't hurt anything but his pocket. when you read back into this thread, the story spins around like Knoss's BS. flip flopping from one thing to another just like Lyle, inconsistencies galore. Lyle and Skipp set up to have the sample submitted. Skipp had nothing to do with the DNA sample. Two agents came to Lyle's house and took DNA. Two agents briefly visited Lyle at his home. Lyle read about these rumors too? The FBI requested Christiansen's DNA. Kenny paid $16,500 cash for his house? Kenny paid $14,500 cash for his house? Grey says records show Kenny paid $14,000 for his home? The stamp collection was valued at $400,000 (for estate settlement purposes) The stamp collection was valued at $300,000 for the stamp collection The stamp collection was valued at $30,000 for the stamp collection (extra zero was added by mistake in Lyle's email) explain the 4? Last week the collection was $40,000 As people have claimed in the past....too many problems. trusting me has zero to do with the mess above written by you! "It is surprising how aggressive people get, once they latch onto their suspect and say, 'Hey, he's our guy.' No matter what you tell them, they refuse to believe you" Agent Carr FBI

When will you reveal the liar in the Kenny saga story? Did it ever occur to you that Margie doesn't like Bernie, and Bernie doesn't like Margie? do you see a problem there Mr. Investigator of the truth? where is any proof of any of this? most of your information is misleading, inaccurate, and now has a liar in it? who do you expect to believe this fable? Bob Knoss somebody has set these people up, the problem now seems to be they didn't realize how deep it was going to go! where could Margie have possibly went to hide from people? how hard do you really think it would be finding her? it's all drama related to touch up the story to the whole mess you call the best suspect in the DB Cooper case. Your buddy Lyle doesn't even believe his brother did this. you don't want to hear any real facts involved in this. just like the mystery money in his account. it's all drama. Hello Dave: I did interview Mr. Christensen regarding his claim that his brother was D.B. Cooper. I found several inconsistencies with his responses and when I pressed him he stated that while his brother fit many of the accepted profiles describing D.B. Cooper, his brother could have been D.B. Cooper but probably was not the hijacker. Mike Fitzsimmons The originator of this whole thing doesn't believe his brother was Cooper, but all of the sudden his friends pop up and claim different. seriously?...."I found several inconsistencies" If Mike only knew the amount of inconsistencies now! Did Dawn lose one husband or two? was she really ever divorced? did you check? "It is surprising how aggressive people get, once they latch onto their suspect and say, 'Hey, he's our guy.' No matter what you tell them, they refuse to believe you" Agent Carr FBI

Jo, lets get to some level ground here. I can't please everyone, I've tried to help you the best I can on, and off this thread. this site has been subject to personal attacks long before my forum was born. the first thread was locked down, why was that, because of me and my forum? why do people constantly read a bunch of off topic garbage on this thread almost from the beginning of the second thread. is that my fault too? The site is very simple to view. click on DB Cooper and the threads pop up. there is a separate category called Non-Cooper Related, click on 'New Board" and the three threads pop up there. nothing hidden, the Government is not funding it, or anything like that. I changed your password you forgot so you could sign in and view the photo gallery. I can't do much more Jo. If you don't understand how to view the site, how is it you know it's bashing this site? it's nothing as you and Blevins claim. that's the hogwash that needs to stop. The people who deserve this site have had enough of all of this. that's what needs to stop if you wish for this thread to survive. constantly reporting what is going on elsewhere is counterproductive to this thread. I own my site, I have separate area's for discussion. if they want to let off some steam, so be it. they are not clogging up the funnel of information provided on the Cooper links. they don't have that option here. DB Cooper discussion is not a 24/7 topic. only so much can go on. if it was that popular, there should be dozens of posters here, and on my site. it's not a hot topic as a few believe. a lot of the "public" believe it's a waste of time and money for the FBI to bother with. The FBI also agrees and will only move if something hot comes along. "It is surprising how aggressive people get, once they latch onto their suspect and say, 'Hey, he's our guy.' No matter what you tell them, they refuse to believe you" Agent Carr FBI

Jo, now you are not being honest. I haven't even made a post in several days on that forum. could be please copy/paste the bashing about this thread? I will repeat this for the 20th time. nobody is blocked from that site except one person. you have changed your tune since Matt made the comment about this thread. my last post was made November 3rd Jo, today is the 6th! Georger made a long post about no supervision here, and how it's not going to change. he made a comment about 377 wanting Sluggo and the others back. then he discusses wanting to leave here several times over the years he was here. he does take a crack at 377, but it's nothing other than what it is. he is giving his opinion. As R99 asked, what is the INDEX page? are you trying to say it's a hidden page? I don't have any hidden pages. You are taking things out of context. I have several topics that are not related to Cooper. I separated them into two different categories. 15 threads are Cooper related, and 3 were moved to a different category. Totally Off Topic Website Problems...Big Ones Understanding This Forum I'm asking legit questions to Robert just as anyone else can do. he doesn't want to answer the questions. this raises a red flag. when credibility comes into question it causes more questions to be asked. that's what I'm doing. it wasn't me who brought this up either. this has nothing to do with you Jo, unless you were part of it which I seriously doubt. The jumpers who deserve being here on there own website designed for that sport are tired of all of this behavior from all of us! I'm asking questions, I'm not bashing, attacking, or trying to close this thread by asking simple questions Jo. I can't control what people from other forums say here. it's not a conspiracy by anyone by any means! I challenge anyone to go to my site and come back here and tell me they couldn't see the site, or noticed hidden topics, or threads on that forum. I'll will say that there is 19 topics, but only 18 can be viewed. the reason is because I have a technical guy by the name of Skhilled who helps me with the site. he made a Staff page where we can discuss problems with the site that others don't have to see! running a forum is a lot of work, more than I thought. problems occur that need attention. I now have help with resolving them. My challenge excludes Robert B, and you. I don't think you know how to navigate the forum, most do. "It is surprising how aggressive people get, once they latch onto their suspect and say, 'Hey, he's our guy.' No matter what you tell them, they refuse to believe you" Agent Carr FBI

Failure in answering the question asked by two posters about the agents has already answered the question. like you are stating to R99, it's bullshit. the corner is getting tight I'm assuming