mrshutter45

I just don't see a Cooper link in all of the Collins mess, I had two DL'S both valid in the state of Florida, the 90's came around and they were buckling down on people having multiple DL'S. so I can see where and why he was caught. my landlord had 3 back in the 80's according to your post in the past you claim he got the license in 1988 (11/08/88) expires 11/13/92 sounds to me he was trying to get another copy (Duplicate) of the false ID. either way it doesn't seem to have anything to do with Cooper! The focus point should be why he was always wearing glasses, you said in the past he only used them for reading and yet he always has them on in 99% of his pictures? these are things people pick up on, including the FBI I would guess. I'm not the first one to see this either. I'm sorry Jo but you have a lot of people against your claims, including the FBI. I tried to make some sense out of all of this, but can't. sorry "It is surprising how aggressive people get, once they latch onto their suspect and say, 'Hey, he's our guy.' No matter what you tell them, they refuse to believe you" Agent Carr FBI

Were he still alive Duane might have been awakened by a phone call from Stockholm and his money worries would have been over. Somewhere there is a schematic of Duane's invention, which would be more far more important than a hot Cooper $20 and the ransom note. Jo wrote that Duane had no ememies. Excuse me Jo. Are you forgetting about his 26 arrests? There were likely a few enemies on the other side of his crimes. I'd also like to see some proof that Duane left money in his victims purses to get them through a day. It would be quite remarkable were that proven to be true. I represented a lot of accused robbers and thieves. Their family members at sentencing hearings would talk about how basically good and kind they were, but not one of those accused ever left money on the table so to speak. I'll bet Duane didn't either. 377 "I'd also like to see some proof that Duane left money in his victims purses to get them through a day. It would be quite remarkable were that proven to be true." it's possible that this came about after knowing Cooper offered Tina money on the plane. "It is surprising how aggressive people get, once they latch onto their suspect and say, 'Hey, he's our guy.' No matter what you tell them, they refuse to believe you" Agent Carr FBI

"It is surprising how aggressive people get, once they latch onto their suspect and say, 'Hey, he's our guy.' No matter what you tell them, they refuse to believe you" Agent Carr FBI

All of this discussed previously years ago - now bring in the fact of 'polycistic kidney disease (PKD) which according to author, Pasternak, Duane was diagnosed with some time around 1970-71 ... ? Thick glasses are just the beginning! Of whole stable of conditions, Duane Weber was living and prospering, with. In Jo's hands these are not deficits but assets which Duane/Cooper had! Jo, in true Blevonian style, once used the fact of PKD as a "reason" for Duane turning to "airplane hijacking". With all hope lost Duane turned to airplane hijacking as his personal expression of angst, with Jo claiming: "Duane was fit as a fiddle and extra-athletic with no affect at all during those early years, and for generations thereafter ... because, 'you dont understand how PKD works'. So to make a long story short: its poor eye sight and thick glasses, with onset PKD, a congenital bad hip and leg(s) condition which you can clearly see in his photos shopwing is hips/legs, other undisclosed conditions, and a certain 'Mandingo' condition ... just for starters...! The whole set of conditions just screams 'Olympic athlete' and 'fit as a fiddle' ... and this whole discussion as never been elevated above that baseline ever since.. in sells in Seniors Groups and in Himmelsbach's mindset! Who knows! Maybe it's true! "All of this discussed previously years ago" I'm sure it has, she asked for someone to look at this and I did, I just can't see him doing this, IMO he doesn't fit the profile....period. I have done one final check with the photo's and I'm done with it, these are the problems I see and she can accept or or deny the findings. she has to understand that not everyone is on board the Weber plane! I like Jo but disagree with her findings and hope she finds peace with this soon. "It is surprising how aggressive people get, once they latch onto their suspect and say, 'Hey, he's our guy.' No matter what you tell them, they refuse to believe you" Agent Carr FBI

"Electronic Underwear" I don't thin I need Mr. Science to figure out where the antenna mast was located "It is surprising how aggressive people get, once they latch onto their suspect and say, 'Hey, he's our guy.' No matter what you tell them, they refuse to believe you" Agent Carr FBI

so basically you are saying Duane would be comfortable without his glasses on a plane correct, he could see the front of the plane and watch all of the passengers without needing his glasses that he always seems to have on. I still don't follow the DL issue, Duane got the license in 1988 which expired in 92, went back in 90 and was found out correct? what I don't understand is why this is strange to you, I got both of my DL's at the same DMV. however, I can see them catching him in 90 because they were catching up on the duplicate DL's "It is surprising how aggressive people get, once they latch onto their suspect and say, 'Hey, he's our guy.' No matter what you tell them, they refuse to believe you" Agent Carr FBI

"Duane Weber was FAR SIGHTED! Do you know what that means? " yeas I do, this means he would have problem to a certain extent inside a plane (close quarters) with having to concentrate on what he was doing. I could be wrong but in several of those pics, those glasses look mighty thick. "what do you think the artist tried to show in the composite? " I only see the lines from the nose downward to the outer mouth on the composite, Duane's were further out on his cheeks. I would try to get a hold of Florence Schaffner and see what she thinks of Duane? if she hasn't already seen pics of him, even Florence has changed Coopers appearance, hair style is totally different! "fingerprints were negative (all 26 prints) " was referring to 26 sets of prints.....sorry. "It is surprising how aggressive people get, once they latch onto their suspect and say, 'Hey, he's our guy.' No matter what you tell them, they refuse to believe you" Agent Carr FBI

"It was LOCAL FBI knew very little about Cooper nor did they question why Duane obtained and how he obtained a legal Florida Drivers License under John C. Collins..." back in the day, Forida as well as other states I'm sure didn't require picture ID for a drivers License, Birth certificate or S.S. card was enough, these could easily be changed and the system was not up to date enough to catch these things. (100% Legal) Duane moving around a lot tells me things were to hot in that area so he would move on. back then like you said yourself, each State might not know what you have done in the past without a full check which could take long periods of time, so most didn't bother unless the crime was severe or valid enough to warrant the search. petty theft and robbing little old ladies would not send the FBI out in a "Full Metal Jacket" looking for you. Today it's a different story making it impossible to try a cover your tracks, you gotta get up pretty damn early to fool the screws today!!! "It is surprising how aggressive people get, once they latch onto their suspect and say, 'Hey, he's our guy.' No matter what you tell them, they refuse to believe you" Agent Carr FBI

"As far as Duane being able to get a Florida drivers license under another name, think F-R-A-U-D. Florida drivers licenses are issued by the state of Florida and not the FBI. This was NOT a federal matter" all the way into the 80's it was very simple to get multiple Driver's Licenses, I had two different ones, my brother was a truck driver and they used birth Certs from dead individuals and would run up the points on the license and then throw it away! it's impossible now to do this. again nothing out of the ordinary with what Duane did (as a bad guy) "It is surprising how aggressive people get, once they latch onto their suspect and say, 'Hey, he's our guy.' No matter what you tell them, they refuse to believe you" Agent Carr FBI

Duane has very distinctive age lines on each side of his cheek and above his cheek seems "puffy" the only picture where he looks like Cooper is your profile pic. I took a picture of John List and got similar results (see photo) Duane also would of been blind as a bat if he didn't have his glasses on. I think every picture of him shows him wearing glasses. everyone on here has noticed that Duane was arrested 26+ times making it very hard for him to master mind the hijacking and get away with it. I lost count on the amount of States you have located Duane to have been in, why would it be a big deal that he was also in Washington and Oregon? Balloon Bombs = DB Cooper??? Duane Weber/John Collins = DB Cooper?? No AFIS in the 60's = DB Cooper?? Prison records = DB Cooper?? I just don't think the FBI is stupid enough to not realize they don't have the right prints for Duane. mistakes may have been made about Duane's past, but, this still doesn't put him on the plane. sorry but this is what I think until you have better proof. "It is surprising how aggressive people get, once they latch onto their suspect and say, 'Hey, he's our guy.' No matter what you tell them, they refuse to believe you" Agent Carr FBI

Jo, you are really sounding a lot like Knoss! "None of you care about the truth," all you left out was "bite me" You have so many hurdles to get over. fingerprints were negative (all 26 prints) DNA was negative. 1968 photo looks nothing like the sketches and was taken 3 years before the crime. The FBI needs good solid leads to move forward, not things like why he was released from prison before his sentence was up. If they didn't have strong evidence pointing to Duane, they would skip a lot of people they would have talked too. IMHO Duane does not fit the profile, a thief having large sums of money is a no brainer for anyone to figure out. If you can't get past us "jerks" how in the world do you think the FBI will take this story? I think that answer is already known. Jo I give you a lot of credit for hanging in so many years but you have not ahown anything of value IMO. "It is surprising how aggressive people get, once they latch onto their suspect and say, 'Hey, he's our guy.' No matter what you tell them, they refuse to believe you" Agent Carr FBI

between Jo and Knoss, the high security risk for showing evidence is off the chart, I just don't get all the secrecy??? News Alert......this was just an unsolved hijacking, this was not planned at "Area 51" or the Pentagon, a guy, man, person stole money from Northwest Airlines and jumped out of a plane. nobody has been able to identify the individual for over 40 years...end of News Alert....... "It is surprising how aggressive people get, once they latch onto their suspect and say, 'Hey, he's our guy.' No matter what you tell them, they refuse to believe you" Agent Carr FBI

arrested 26 times and spent half his adult life in prison....... do we really need to ask why he had large sums of money at times????? "It is surprising how aggressive people get, once they latch onto their suspect and say, 'Hey, he's our guy.' No matter what you tell them, they refuse to believe you" Agent Carr FBI

have you seen this one? http://www.guardian.co.uk/sport/video/2012/oct/16/felix-baumgartner-greatest-jumps-video "It is surprising how aggressive people get, once they latch onto their suspect and say, 'Hey, he's our guy.' No matter what you tell them, they refuse to believe you" Agent Carr FBI

It should be very simple to prove John was connected to Boeing, tax returns, employment history, w-2's etc etc. why would you not pursue a lead such as this? "Could the 1971 SKYJACKING of a Boeing 727 have been - a publicity stunt?" I'm guessing this was a joke? "It is surprising how aggressive people get, once they latch onto their suspect and say, 'Hey, he's our guy.' No matter what you tell them, they refuse to believe you" Agent Carr FBI

Mr Truth says: "Dec. 11, 1967-- First 727-200 delivered; Northeast Airlines put it into service three days later." Shutter says" I don't think you know much since you took it right off of Boeing's site! http://www.boeing.com/commercial/727family/timeline.html I noticed most of your "super memory" and knowledge comes from copy/paste quotes! personally I would be more worried about who is watching you and what you can not change in your past comments! Matt says: "He is being looked at, by those he says he will only talk to, but they aren't looking at a whistle blower. A criminal of a different sort. Glad he is back, it helps a lot! Makes this easy! " Bob says" "But I don't know a damned thing." Shutter says: not the important things! "It is surprising how aggressive people get, once they latch onto their suspect and say, 'Hey, he's our guy.' No matter what you tell them, they refuse to believe you" Agent Carr FBI

Personally I don't even think working for Boeing is key, I would tend to belive someone who was around the plane enough to put two and two together, Vietnam vets, airport ground crew, they were the ones who opened and closed it from the outside? Vietnam vets had lots of grudges, while over there they hear the hate from Americans calling them baby killers and spitting on them once they got home. much like the rest of the case, tons of variables "It is surprising how aggressive people get, once they latch onto their suspect and say, 'Hey, he's our guy.' No matter what you tell them, they refuse to believe you" Agent Carr FBI

over 3 million hits in two days "It is surprising how aggressive people get, once they latch onto their suspect and say, 'Hey, he's our guy.' No matter what you tell them, they refuse to believe you" Agent Carr FBI

Jo, one of your first moves about John should have been finding any information to support the "Boeing " link. If I'm not mistaken the word "Schematic" typically means electrical drawings. I agree with Robert99, those would be classified documents which would give us yet another Weber thief. you yourself said John and Duane didn't get a long so how did he get a hold of the documents? even if he had the drawings, did he know how to read them? they will not explain the rear stairs could be opened in flight. "It is surprising how aggressive people get, once they latch onto their suspect and say, 'Hey, he's our guy.' No matter what you tell them, they refuse to believe you" Agent Carr FBI

"So lets see what some of you SHARPIES can do with this! " the problem I see is the fact that it really has nothing to do "evidence wise" with the crime 13 years later? record keeping was never 100% accurate from my understanding. I understand the point of you pointing out all of the mistakes made record wise with Duane's past, but this still doesn't put him anywhere near flight 305. if the mistakes were made back then, who do we blame? we have blame on the FBI from 1960 and on if not mistaken. seems to me it kind of fits him, Duane was not perfect and neither were his records. "It is surprising how aggressive people get, once they latch onto their suspect and say, 'Hey, he's our guy.' No matter what you tell them, they refuse to believe you" Agent Carr FBI

I understand! got it, you ask people to look at your comments and when they disagree you don't want to talk about.... no problem! "It is surprising how aggressive people get, once they latch onto their suspect and say, 'Hey, he's our guy.' No matter what you tell them, they refuse to believe you" Agent Carr FBI

Jo, I don't understand how you can't understand the FBI has over 25 sets of his prints! just because Ohio didn't know what he did in Texas doesn't change the fact of the prints being sent to the FBI. (Ohio/ Texas are examples) "The prints were forwarded to the FBI just like all of the other 26 arrests under his various alias names." they could have missed 50 as I mentioned before, the bottom line is they have his prints. also as I mentioned, the picture of Duane in 1968 is not very convincing of him being Cooper IMHO another hurdle to get over is the fact of him always wearing glasses, almost all of your pictures shows him wearing glasses. "It is surprising how aggressive people get, once they latch onto their suspect and say, 'Hey, he's our guy.' No matter what you tell them, they refuse to believe you" Agent Carr FBI

your not going to have much of a choice soon Bob, how long did you think you could throw names around of public figures and not expect legal action? you have fumbled everything you say all the way down to your own past! where are the oil pipelines along the Columbia Mr truth? how could Janet see a man on the stairs of a plane at 10,000 when you yourself put him on the ground before she could see him? anything Mr truth? I got plenty more Mr truth......need some more that you will refuse to answer? I needed to mow the yard but it's been raining all day, I got time dude! He is being looked at, by those he says he will only talk to, but they aren't looking at a whistle blower. A criminal of a different sort. Glad he is back, it helps a lot! Makes this easy! Matt Mr Truth seems to always lay low when things like this come up "It is surprising how aggressive people get, once they latch onto their suspect and say, 'Hey, he's our guy.' No matter what you tell them, they refuse to believe you" Agent Carr FBI

answer the following, I give two hoots about a fine tooth comb! O'Hara's position in this cover up? Rataczack's position in this cover up? (aka TOG) Ralph Himmelsbach's position in this cover up? explain how David Haapala had or has a communication company? explain how Bernie Haapala's name was even brought up? explain the flight path being 15 miles off? explain why you shifted everything on your map? this is just a taste of your BS, answer the questions! without side tracking BS you always try! ANSWER, ANSWER, ANSWER Mr truth!!! I have a 100% guarantee you will fail this by side tracking or claiming you only heard this, remember you were the "Book keeper" ANSWER!!!!! unlike the names mentioned above, you have the option to speak!!! for the record, you have never answered the questions about your map or the oil pipeline, another lie! and there you have it, Bob is off line now.....what shock! "It is surprising how aggressive people get, once they latch onto their suspect and say, 'Hey, he's our guy.' No matter what you tell them, they refuse to believe you" Agent Carr FBI

your not going to have much of a choice soon Bob, how long did you think you could throw names around of public figures and not expect legal action? you have fumbled everything you say all the way down to your own past! where are the oil pipelines along the Columbia Mr truth? how could Janet see a man on the stairs of a plane at 10,000 when you yourself put him on the ground before she could see him? anything Mr truth? I got plenty more Mr truth......need some more that you will refuse to answer? I needed to mow the yard but it's been raining all day, I got time dude! "It is surprising how aggressive people get, once they latch onto their suspect and say, 'Hey, he's our guy.' No matter what you tell them, they refuse to believe you" Agent Carr FBI