mrshutter45

I have said all that needed to be said. I'm not beating a drum, simply bringing up what happened for anyone who really cares. Not hiding, not 'giving up', just letting you make an ass of yourself. My credibility is fine, it is your agenda that is suspect. You see, I know things you swear are not true. That discredits YOU without question. then I guess you have no need to post again since you have said all you can!!! I know things you you say are true that turn out not the case, so by your thoughts this discredits you, word games are fun Bobby, but they still don't make you tell the truth! "It is surprising how aggressive people get, once they latch onto their suspect and say, 'Hey, he's our guy.' No matter what you tell them, they refuse to believe you" Agent Carr FBI

you have been discredited over and over Bob........ end of story. why have you been hiding and not mentioning names???? "It is surprising how aggressive people get, once they latch onto their suspect and say, 'Hey, he's our guy.' No matter what you tell them, they refuse to believe you" Agent Carr FBI

------------------------------------------------------------ I am always suspicious of TK's conclusions. Remember this guy does science for a hobby. He may have taken high school chemistry. His wimpy analysis and conclusions may be because he lacks formal education, training, and experience in scientific inquiry. We'd be better served with someone with real credentials in science. MeyerLouie I flunked Nat Sci 101 almost twice, but The Society of Plastics Engineers verifies that I am a Plastics Engineer, so I must be as qualified as necessary to run your dog and pony tests on planted evidence. A criminal degree from prison would be what YOU guys are looking for, certainly not real facts from real people you could actually ASK~~ Bob, you are mixing us up with the "Deception thread" across the hall "It is surprising how aggressive people get, once they latch onto their suspect and say, 'Hey, he's our guy.' No matter what you tell them, they refuse to believe you" Agent Carr FBI

this is close but doesn't say the type of insect..... http://www.komonews.com/news/local/Insects-destroy-Idaho-countys-historic-documents-172509711.html "It is surprising how aggressive people get, once they latch onto their suspect and say, 'Hey, he's our guy.' No matter what you tell them, they refuse to believe you" Agent Carr FBI

Yeah I saw this too. Problem is he's got a bunch of different stories about where the money came from so who knows if it was buried. What is interesting, to me, is the word "petrified". According to articles, the Ingrams thought at first the money was driftwood. I know the official story but I've wondered (because of the seemingly uniform disintegration around the edges) if the Ingrams might have thrown it in the fire before they realized what it was. I can see fire burning around the edges like that, but surely recent burning would have been noticed by the FBI. I don't know about solving the case, but I definitely thought they could get more information from the money than they have. The word "petrified" was the whole reason I posted it, the black edges is what caught my eye, you would think they would have found ash in the testing if Brian tossed it in the fire? also found Mr. Termite loves money "It is surprising how aggressive people get, once they latch onto their suspect and say, 'Hey, he's our guy.' No matter what you tell them, they refuse to believe you" Agent Carr FBI

http://www.tulsaworld.com/news/article.aspx?subjectid=338&articleid=20080728_338_WASH744416&allcom=1 "It is surprising how aggressive people get, once they latch onto their suspect and say, 'Hey, he's our guy.' No matter what you tell them, they refuse to believe you" Agent Carr FBI

dont take rust literally - Tom says its not rust. I dont know; never saw or handled/tested the bill. That photo I posted is an old photo from years ago when someone (Snowmman?) posted the photo, and I believe it was 377 asked: "Whats that rust?" People were looking for any sign of the parachute/ chute hardware in associattion with the money find site. I labeled that photo 'rust' to keep track of that photo in my files.. that's all. I am sure 377 will recall and confirm that exchange from years ago here - "Is that the period when the bugs would have chowed down until being evicted by a watery ride to Tena Bar? " could Petrifaction been taking place while underwater? paper is wood. they were all stuck together. "It is surprising how aggressive people get, once they latch onto their suspect and say, 'Hey, he's our guy.' No matter what you tell them, they refuse to believe you" Agent Carr FBI

you just can't keep away can you Bob? I seem to recall you giving Blevins a hard time about that, we don't need your lies Bob. or should I say College drop out??? ya right another lie. North Hennepin Community College Brooklyn Park, MN Graduated: N/A Degree: Other Major: CNC Machining 1993 to 2002 Dunwoody College Of Technology Minneapolis, MN Graduated: N/A Degree: Other Major: Machining 1964 to 1966 University Of Minnesota-Twin Cities Minneapolis, MN Graduated: 1965 Student status: Alumni Degree: Bachelor's Degree Major: Education Minor: Athletics Greek: Mu Iota Epsilon "It is surprising how aggressive people get, once they latch onto their suspect and say, 'Hey, he's our guy.' No matter what you tell them, they refuse to believe you" Agent Carr FBI

I have said it all my life as a joke when ever on a hill or what have you, I say it a lot at work while on lifts, but I have never parachuted or been around many who have. last time I heard it on TV was the movie Hot Shots, the first couple jumpers said it, then a Indian came out and said Meeeeee "It is surprising how aggressive people get, once they latch onto their suspect and say, 'Hey, he's our guy.' No matter what you tell them, they refuse to believe you" Agent Carr FBI

Too cool. I had faith that someone would eventually take the simulation project on. Looking good! eta: I had to go here to see what Farflung was talking about re Sierra hotel....and I agree... http://www.tailhook.org/AVSLANG.htm thanks 99, who knows what we will uncover or find, if anything? it sure is fun to find out! a lot of the forward progress is due to Hominid laying out the programs to run with the testing. when I first thought of it I had no idea how involved it would wind up being. I'm enjoying every dime spent on it I'll tell you that much, I've learned tons of info about the 727 and tons of info thru Hominid, roger "It is surprising how aggressive people get, once they latch onto their suspect and say, 'Hey, he's our guy.' No matter what you tell them, they refuse to believe you" Agent Carr FBI

I can send you a disk if you wish Jo? "It is surprising how aggressive people get, once they latch onto their suspect and say, 'Hey, he's our guy.' No matter what you tell them, they refuse to believe you" Agent Carr FBI

Thanks, yes while I was over the Lake Merwin area the auto pilot was on and it will adjust the trim as needed. the plane is fully functional with all the bells and whistles attached. alarms will sound if the proper procedure is not taken place at the point of hitting the throttle. it has been a wild ride learning how to turn over the engines and hit the sky "It is surprising how aggressive people get, once they latch onto their suspect and say, 'Hey, he's our guy.' No matter what you tell them, they refuse to believe you" Agent Carr FBI

ok, I made a quick video that shows some of the features on the sim, keep in mind I didn't have the settings right on the camera nor did I cut anything out so Hollywood will not be banging on my door wanting to pay big bucks for the next blockbuster by mrshutter45 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f2CLettqPwU "It is surprising how aggressive people get, once they latch onto their suspect and say, 'Hey, he's our guy.' No matter what you tell them, they refuse to believe you" Agent Carr FBI

did ya see this one 99? http://www.oregonlive.com/news/index.ssf/2009/03/amateur_detectives_fish_for_db.html "It is surprising how aggressive people get, once they latch onto their suspect and say, 'Hey, he's our guy.' No matter what you tell them, they refuse to believe you" Agent Carr FBI

yes, it's there on my simulator "It is surprising how aggressive people get, once they latch onto their suspect and say, 'Hey, he's our guy.' No matter what you tell them, they refuse to believe you" Agent Carr FBI

the flight plans/testing what ever you want to call it is emailed thru Hominid on each test we do, I just fly the plane I don't come close to the knowledge he has. by the way, I just checked and it takes aprox, 34 seconds to take off, I have been starting the clock at movement. "It is surprising how aggressive people get, once they latch onto their suspect and say, 'Hey, he's our guy.' No matter what you tell them, they refuse to believe you" Agent Carr FBI

I'm not following Farf? the plane kicks the tires and lights the fires at 7:36 and arrives at 14 DME at 7:40:37 4 minutes and 37 seconds they level off at 7000 and "were gonna have er about down to about a hundred and sixty knots" that's 14 miles in 4:37 correct? then they travel 5 miles in 3 minute arriving at 19 DME? I have been taking off at 7:36:33 and climbing to 7000 arriving at 7:40:37 applying 30 degree flaps and slowing to 160 all the way to 7:54 after climbing to 10,000 I speed up to about 170/180 arriving at Toledo/Maylay at around 7:59 I gave up trying to match the two transmits from the start of the flight. "It is surprising how aggressive people get, once they latch onto their suspect and say, 'Hey, he's our guy.' No matter what you tell them, they refuse to believe you" Agent Carr FBI

"Ok, now the plane has lifted off and at 7:42 are reported 14 miles out of SEA 7:45 has the tiny ship at, 19 DME with a 170 knots suggested as an optimum speed for their dirty configuration. " do the numbers on those two, 5 miles in 3 minutes? "It is surprising how aggressive people get, once they latch onto their suspect and say, 'Hey, he's our guy.' No matter what you tell them, they refuse to believe you" Agent Carr FBI

I think she was implying the path was further west like Knoss claims, if they are flying south and looked out the right side of the plane and see Vancouver and Portland, they are way east,way east. Rataczak could have been talking about being at Battleground and saying he see's Portland out the right side if he was referring to PDX, that would be correct. I just looked, flying on V23 to Battleground would put PDX just to the right "It is surprising how aggressive people get, once they latch onto their suspect and say, 'Hey, he's our guy.' No matter what you tell them, they refuse to believe you" Agent Carr FBI

after the sand was deposited onto the bar, does anyone know how much and how far they leveled off the sand? I remember seeing the video Tom made with Brian Ingrams showing the money "fanning out" once wet, does the process stay in this condition, or does the money flatten back out after long periods under water? or did it remain flat because it was with the rest of the money inside the bag keeping it bundled up until it was broken apart by the dredge? If the above questions are not correct then I believe a good search of the bar and surrounding Island's need to be searched. there must be more clues in those areas, what could it hurt. Robert99 asked if anyone would help search these area's, I would love to but just don't have the time or funds to travel across the Country, but would help out in any way I could to start the project. "It is surprising how aggressive people get, once they latch onto their suspect and say, 'Hey, he's our guy.' No matter what you tell them, they refuse to believe you" Agent Carr FBI

"I assume (assume here) the flight simulations will provide an envelope of times and locations for 305 based upon some variables like, winds, throttle settings and rounding errors with time. All this neatly packaged within the realm of physics and airframe capabilities. Truly a first for this beleaguered subject." that is correct, I can mark times, locations, speed, altitude, I can record the entire flight with the on board recorder, as well as my camcorder as backup. I can look at my map at anytime which gives me Longitude/Latitude of exactly where I'm at. I can play back the whole flight showing these numbers along with speed and altitudes. we are still in the testing stages of running through the system, I have already checked altitude which seems accurate, we are in the process of checking ground speed now. the weather can be changed as well, wind direction (different levels) cloud coverage, Barometric pressures, dew points, wind shear, turbulence over 6 pages on just weather data! The 727 used for testing is none other than the actual plane they used (see photo) once a "actual" test is ran, I will provide throttle, fuel consumption among other things mentioned above. "It is surprising how aggressive people get, once they latch onto their suspect and say, 'Hey, he's our guy.' No matter what you tell them, they refuse to believe you" Agent Carr FBI

perhaps this could help? "It is surprising how aggressive people get, once they latch onto their suspect and say, 'Hey, he's our guy.' No matter what you tell them, they refuse to believe you" Agent Carr FBI

Yes, your project 305 cockpit is very cool!

Bob said: "Time to poke my nose in for another review" Shutter says: we are all wonder why you haven't been using names such as O'Hara, Carr, Rataczak (aka TOG) in resent postings? this is not like you Bob, you are full of truth and names? why the sudden halt? could it be the very same people you will "only talk to" are now watching you? Bob Bob Bob, Mac Mac Mac, Bull Bull Bull, Crap Crap Crap........ do you think by not posting and using public figures implicating them in a Government cover up will all go away? only if you stop posting Bob!!! on behalf of the legal system as well as the Government you cover for SO well, we thank you for your future cooperation! "It is surprising how aggressive people get, once they latch onto their suspect and say, 'Hey, he's our guy.' No matter what you tell them, they refuse to believe you" Agent Carr FBI

"I have one thought for the flight sim process, though. Those sim maps are probably based on recent sat photos or whatever they use to create them. In other words, the ground lights and buildings shown may not be completely accurate, since the hijacking was 40+ years ago and many of the areas over the flight path have been developed much further (civilization inroads) since that time. Clearcuts where once was heavy forest, housing developments where once was nothing, etc. This especially applies to areas around Battleground and Vancouver, and less so further north nearer the Merwin Lake Dam." you are correct to some degree, the system has a date calendar on it, but, does not change the surroundings, 99% of the roads are on the sim, I'm not worried whether K-mart is there or not, the navigation speed and altitude are things that need to be correct. most of the city placements are very accurate and buildings in between are not, rivers lakes even golf courses are correct, the main goal is the flight in general. as for the lights, well they are a lot brighter on this end, not that they are 100% accurate, but they give a good idea of where you are in flight, I can see Vancouver and Portland from Lake Mewin easily (no cloud cover) the navigation system (not scenery) are very accurate with distance, altitude and coordinate's only showing a difference of up to about 200 feet on other maps. the software and add ons alone take up lots of space on my computer, I couldn't imagine how large the program would be if it changed the scenery with each year. I have a dedicated computer just for this system to function with little issues. still have some kinks to correct "It is surprising how aggressive people get, once they latch onto their suspect and say, 'Hey, he's our guy.' No matter what you tell them, they refuse to believe you" Agent Carr FBI