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Where did you get this? Are you just making this shit up? That spot isn't bad at all, the winds were strong and that was the issue! It was just on the downwind side.

Looks to me it is you that is assuming. If I was to assume I would say he was going to bet Ron's "assumed" 10ish hours against his Sim time. Try not to be so defensive based on assumptions. You could end up looking like a fool. That spot isn't bad at all, the winds were strong and that was the issue! It was just on the downwind side.

WTF? ???? Nobody adult or not should have a gun in a School Locker . Were not talking about a gun safe here, but a locker that people sneak into all the time. That spot isn't bad at all, the winds were strong and that was the issue! It was just on the downwind side.

You are an ... There are laws in place in how we can bag a deer. I would love to see you hunt with your methods so you could get caught and your ass thrown in jail. You have a lot of nerve telling us we should break the law. I hunt with a bow during bow season, a rifle during rifle season(most shots are still less than 20 yards). A shotgun during shotgun season, or a muzzleloader during muzzleloading season. Where to you live that you would not be in violation of the law by using a spear? Oh wait I forgot, The other point you are trying to make is I should give up Venison, Grouse, Pheasant, all of which I love in favor of less healthy and flavorful store bought products. That spot isn't bad at all, the winds were strong and that was the issue! It was just on the downwind side.

No energy? no struggle? I am not so sure you could handle the struggle or energy required to harvest a deer. The part my rifle or bow does is just one tiny element of hunting. How do you think this supposed farm raised deer you can purchase dies? By what means is it's life ended? Can I buy farm raise grouse and pheasant already harvested for me to? That spot isn't bad at all, the winds were strong and that was the issue! It was just on the downwind side.

First read my last post and second you have not a fucking clue what you talk about. I spend several weekends at my cabin prior to the season to scout the derr habits to try and ensure a chance to harvest a deer. Then I go out in the woods in the middle of the dark, which I do not enjoy, wait for sunrise, and possibly spend all day in the Rain, snow, or wind to never see a thing. If I am lucky enough to bag a deer, then the work has just began. Field dressing, draggin the deer out of the woods and getting it back to the cabin and then what? I have to skin, quarter, debone, and steak out the entire deer. All of which is alot of work and takes quite sometime. This is just for one deer which is not enough meat to last that long, so I attempt to shoot several a year. Where can you buy Venison in your part of the country? I will eat Venison over beef anyday for the health benefits and twice as much again for the taste. You can keep your Arby's. Youreally don't have a clue what your talking about on this subject and that is not meant as in insult, but rather that you should attempt to gain some knowledge on the subject first. Adeer beaten to death is not going to be a deer to eat! That spot isn't bad at all, the winds were strong and that was the issue! It was just on the downwind side.

What I also find funny is that many people who despise hunting use reasons that contradict his. I have heard it so many times before from uneducated anti-hunting people that the poor animal suffers to much from poor shots, ect. and animals are wounded and die later most of the time. Now here is someone who wants us to beat our prey to death, and has admitted he hopes we lose? If we do win, it sure is not going to be a quick death. Furthermore I love Venison, so much as it's not from a deer that has struggled for it's life and has a lot of adrenaline in its tissue. I am also not real fond of a huge rutting buck that is all swollen if I am going to make steaks out of it. Beating an animal to death with a club would be nothing but a sport to me, as it would leave me with a less then desirable product if I succeded. To compare Venison to Arby's makes it clear that he has never tasted properly selected, harvested, and prepared Venison.(many people have not, even some that have hunted for years). Nor is he aware of the health benefits of a Venison steak over the highly Fatty beef that he thinks we should be buying instead. Don't get me wrong, I have a freezer full of beef also, but he would be happy to know that I purchase that Cow already dead. Josh That spot isn't bad at all, the winds were strong and that was the issue! It was just on the downwind side.

I have asked you to take this to PM. If want us to act like children, let's do it off these boards. I will be happy to respond. I will not however go through years of post to show you everytime you have been hypocritical like you have asked me to. My goal is not to try and change you Ron. It is about safety and training. Sorry you are not so high on my list. My next response will be PM'd That spot isn't bad at all, the winds were strong and that was the issue! It was just on the downwind side.

See above That spot isn't bad at all, the winds were strong and that was the issue! It was just on the downwind side.

There are two people on this board that I avoid responding because of their immature behavior and personal attacks. You are one of them. Feel free to be insulted when I do not respond to your posts. I also don't have time to draw a picture for people with lack of comprehension so I don't respond to those posts as well But since I started I asked because you told me to just sit back and live within the rules. I am not that type of person. I vote, I attend town meetings, sometimes trying to vote down stuff, other times trying to get items on the table. You can live your life a follower if you want. But who are you to tell me to sit back and live within the rules yet others are allowed to make/change them? If a dz won't let me jump because of my wingloading, fine- that's their right. But the USPA has been against WL restrictions for years, do you attack them in the way you have attacked me in the past? If you can't understand my points they were just not meant for you. Again feel free to be insulted when I don't explain them . I just don't care When someone on a large canopy tries to get back from a long spot and turns low to their death we talk about education. When someone with a slightly smaller canopy does the same thing , certain people jump back and place blame on the canopy. They try and claim it would not have happened on a larger canopy which is really speculation. As I have said I am all more education. A W/L restriction should be the last step, not the first. That spot isn't bad at all, the winds were strong and that was the issue! It was just on the downwind side.

>People who run for elected office tend to live within the rules of the society they live in, in case you haven't noticed. LOL That spot isn't bad at all, the winds were strong and that was the issue! It was just on the downwind side.

Do you feel the same way with your political views? Do you vote? Do you condemm political running mates when they debate? Should they not just live within the rules of a given society or not be a part of that society? Sad That spot isn't bad at all, the winds were strong and that was the issue! It was just on the downwind side.

In that context I highly support it. That spot isn't bad at all, the winds were strong and that was the issue! It was just on the downwind side.

Ron I am sorry but I am done here. I am not going to go back and waste my time to provide you with a post from the past. Why? I know what you have done and see you do it to other people. It will be much easier to point it out in the future. No, and I never said that. If you want to take this to pm that's fine. We have both had some very low reserve openings but what's your point? That spot isn't bad at all, the winds were strong and that was the issue! It was just on the downwind side.

Hmm. This is the first WL thread I have commented on in a long time. Thanks Wendy again. That spot isn't bad at all, the winds were strong and that was the issue! It was just on the downwind side.

Yes Ron plenty, just not in this thread. Well I did not know there was a debat on these. I did not know there was a problem. I would be more than happy to hear both sides of the issue and give you an answer. I have yet to call anything stupid Mabey- mabey not. I have know idea what most people consider safe. But if I had to guess I would say we both are compared to the newer generation of AFF grads. That spot isn't bad at all, the winds were strong and that was the issue! It was just on the downwind side.

Fuck Bill. Quit putting words in peoples mouth! The way I read your proposal. A canopy control course is not required, but offered. I think we need much more emphasize on education. Not less. That spot isn't bad at all, the winds were strong and that was the issue! It was just on the downwind side.

Great. You also acknowlegde that people don't land in the water much anymore. Yet are you still implying that I said breifings could not help. Of course they can. I agree with your whole post. I'm still trying to understand this though " Not everyone is trying as hard as they can to bypass all that inconvenient safety crap." What is all that safety crap I am trying to bypass? You have never been around me with a student. I am all about safety and education. Thanks for the label Wendy. That spot isn't bad at all, the winds were strong and that was the issue! It was just on the downwind side.

That is the "Pot calling the kettel black" if I have ever seen it Ron. That spot isn't bad at all, the winds were strong and that was the issue! It was just on the downwind side.

Are you making the assumption that I do not have hands on experience of severe impacts. I was first on seen to my 3rd witnessed swooping fatality in less than 12 months. He hit the water at the same angle as I watched my friend die a month prior. That was just one year and none would have been limited by Bills proposal although I should have prevented one. I may not have been in the sport 20 years but that does not meen a can't have a valid opinion. I pointed out my objections with Bills proposal based on my opinion as a skydiver and instructor. If it was so common sense why has the USPA objected to a winloading restriction in the past? That spot isn't bad at all, the winds were strong and that was the issue! It was just on the downwind side.

No, I have stated my objection and why I think there is a problem with the proposal. Consider yourself corrected. That spot isn't bad at all, the winds were strong and that was the issue! It was just on the downwind side.

Where does this come from? Besides being opposed to a WL restriction where do you get off? That's one thing I am opposed to. What else am I trying to bypass? Please don't make stuff up. If you are reffering to the water training, you need to go back and read my post. . I just stated that many people to not have it. I never advocated that. Bill claims the reason we don't have a lot of drownings is because of the training. That's bullshit. We don't have a lot of drownings because most people don't land in the water, and most people know how to swim if they do. Do we not have a lot of night jump fatalities because of the required night jump for a D? That spot isn't bad at all, the winds were strong and that was the issue! It was just on the downwind side.

Bill try and be a bit more realistic. It is not uncommon for people to be signed off for water training without ever having the training. I wonder how much you say you actually believe yourself. That spot isn't bad at all, the winds were strong and that was the issue! It was just on the downwind side.