TitaniumLegs

You mean, "Where's your evidence that there's no evidence?" That's not how it works. To prove your theory, you need evidence. Plotz's point is that there isn't enough evidence to prove any of these theories. He also admits that there isn't evidence to disprove them either. I think one point he is trying to make is "Don't confuse theory with fact." That first bit is my reply to your post. What follows are just some random thoughts for anybody interested. Here's some "evidence" of point #6. Go read Tom Clancy's "Debt of Honor" (or even just the last few chapters). Yes, it's fiction, but it does point out how easy it could be to pull something like this. That could have been taken as a warning. The German who flew the Cessna through the Soviet air defenses and landed it in the Kremlin was another warning, and part of the reason the Secret Service has Stinger missiles. You want to improve the odds of success? Redundancy. It's a basic concept of any kind of attack. Military leaders are taught you want at least 3:1 in your favour before attacking. 3 out of 4 in this case hit valuable targets. If they had only taken one plane, say Flight 93, the world would be very different. If that flight had progressed as it did and been the only flight taken, we would not have taken it as seriously. It would have been just another hijacking or plane crash. If flight 93 was the only flight taken, the people on board might not have found out (via air phone) what was happening, the Air Force might not have had a heads-up, and that flight might have found it's target. (Go read "Debt of Honor" again. Yes, it's fiction, but look at the target.) Just a few musings. Take it or leave it. (>o|-< If you don't believe me, ask me.

In before the delete! (Now mama's gonna spank me. o|-< If you don't believe me, ask me.

How about just "medium"? (>o|-< If you don't believe me, ask me.

This thread will probably go away when the number of posts approaches that of threads that the masters like or started themselves. At least, that's the only reason I can come up with for them killing the Silent Thread. Or maybe it's just a coincidence that the silent thread was killed as it got within 84 posts (in two months less time) of the Skydive Arizona Dropzone.com 2nd Annual Holiday Boogie thread. (>o|-< If you don't believe me, ask me.

Seems to happen to one of my students about once a year. "WTF?" Well, OK, it's only happened twice. Tim S. gave me a pointer on leg position to prevent the "narrow door - wide rig" problem. (>o|-< If you don't believe me, ask me.

Probably not much of an issue given that the time of exposure is so brief. They use 10,000' since that's above the pressure altitude of commercial flights, so you can use it on you trans-Atlantic without worrying about it burning itself out.. A Yepp? The wife and I have one each, too. I sometimes jump mine when I wear a full face and don't have to supervise somebody else. Sounds great under the full face. Gotta make sure you lock out the controls or the slightest bump of a button will make it stop or go into some annoying mode like "intro" and leave it playing the first 10 seconds of every song for the rest of the jump! (>o|-< If you don't believe me, ask me.

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Except that Red Hot Chili Peppers predates that remake by 2 years. (>o|-< If you don't believe me, ask me.

Spend more time on downhill creeper drills. (>o|-< If you don't believe me, ask me.

Hey, I paid for the eyes myself (LASIK). The least they can do is kick down for better legs! Cheap bastitches! (>o|-< If you don't believe me, ask me.

I still have a couple! (They just don't work any more.) I fallen and I can't reach my beer. They didn't have CD players (well, as consumer items). It was BFRs (Big F***ing Radios) vs. the original Sony Walkman. (>o|-< If you don't believe me, ask me.

Good point, but she became bionic. How cool is that? Hey, I broke both legs, too, and all they did was stuff them full of titanium. Where are my bionic legs? I WANT MY BIONIC LEGS!!! Or is this the modern medical insurance version? (>o|-< If you don't believe me, ask me.

Ever since I was a kid I knew skydiving was dangerous. I mean, look what happened to Jaime Sommers. edit: Corrected spelling and added the link. (>o|-< If you don't believe me, ask me.

Pop gots a fan? A stalker? Another boyfriend we didn't know about? Or maybe he's trying to be a hot Spanish speaking Latin lover (>o|-< If you don't believe me, ask me.

Possibly. I think SeabASS was imagining that bit about Rick Horn being out to get you. (>o|-< If you don't believe me, ask me.

Who's the other girl in Nuthouse3? Girlfalldown is on the left... (>o|-< If you don't believe me, ask me.

There is this other fairly well-known internet skydiving resource called rec.skydiving. It is totally unmoderated and there is no practical way to verify the identity, skills, knowledge or any other trait of anybody on there short of reading everything they've ever posted (assuming you can verify that all those posts really came from the same person). A common reply, or portion of a reply to many questions posted is "but you should really check with your instructor(s)." Obviously, the same thing applies here, but at least here people can fill in a profile that is readily available here. Of course, people can lie on that, too, but the majority will not, which makes it at least a little easier to judge the value of any given response, especially if a consensus of several can be reached. How would you suggest that any skydiving web site be proven to contain accurate information? Any jerk can build a bullshitskydiving.com web site loaded with wrong info, plastered with USPA, FAA and other logos (and even link them to other bogus sites) and the uninitiated would never know better. For that matter, disinformation, or too much information is regularly passed in person at drop zones. On a fairly regular basis I have to ask "experienced" jumpers not to discuss skydiving with students because there are some things they don't need to know and shouldn't know yet. A level 3 student does not need to know the finer points of freeflying, or even backloops. Any student who tries one prior to level 6 gets the honour of repeating the level (at a minimum) and can talk to their "helpful friend" about who's going to pay for it. By this period of evolution of the internet, most people have figured out that there is a lot of false information on the net. Anybody who assumes a skydiving site is any different needs to think about that a little more carefully. Compared to spam, viruses and credit card scams, there's a lot more at stake with this topic. Caveat emptor. What difference does it make what country we're talking about? Does gravity somehow work different elsewhere? I've jumped in a few different countries, and the laws of physics seemed pretty universal. Some of the human laws vary, but again, caveat emptor. You want to hold HH responsible for what gets posted here? Are you going to go after everybody who runs a NNTP server that carries the rec. newsgroups? Wassa matter? Nobody goes to your web site? (>o|-< If you don't believe me, ask me.

Maybe in the afternoon, but only if we get a lot of people to show up. Last time I blew off work to jump, there weren't even enough people to get the Cessna up. (>o|-< If you don't believe me, ask me.

I sold one of my rigs last weekend. This is a good thing because I don't need three, and Philippe needed one. I got a good price, he got a good rig. We're both pretty happy. Steph is coming to the NutBar with me tonight. I want to second (or third or fourth) the "I have great friends" sentiment. Best for last: We'll be parents in a couple weeks. (>o|-< If you don't believe me, ask me.

I wouldn't just want to merely meet dz.commies. In my perfect world, we'd all be able to get together regularly at a wicked cool dropzone with big tailgate a/c, huge indoor packing rooms with a/c, party rooms with a/v including projectors and a bunch of other cool stuff. Some combination of SDC, Eloy and Skydive Monterey Bay (the way it used to be). But seriously, the dz.commer I most want to meet is Kira. (>o|-< If you don't believe me, ask me.

Nah. I knocked this chick up twice in the last year. (>o|-< If you don't believe me, ask me.

That would eliminate 90% of the TalkBack traffic. All we'd have left is kitten killing and paranoid posts about what was or was not found in Iraq or wherever we nuke next. It would only have been 75% post elimination, but HH already kacked the silent thread. (>o|-< If you don't believe me, ask me.

Bwahahaha. Pass auf! Es gibt hier Leute die konnen auch deutsche lesen! (>o|-< If you don't believe me, ask me.

Remster speaks Quebecois (Kay beck wah). It's like saying Ebonics is the same as English. Voyons! Que'est ce qu't'a dit? Va t'en manger ton poutine! (>o|-< If you don't believe me, ask me.

No kidding! Elton John is way over the level of the average Harley stereotype! (>o|-< If you don't believe me, ask me.