BobKnoss

Asked and answered. McCoy signed him out in his custody from the Warden of the prison. Very easily accomplished with a Marshal's badge. That summer the Warden asked for his return to finish the sentence. Mac said he would see what he could do for Duane (Smith), hence the early release, I'm sure. The Government wouldn't destroy those records, right? This is all so simple.

McCoy was ruled out because he had his entire family as witnesses at a Thanksgiving dinner table with him in Utah at the time of the hijacking in Washington State. McCoy was ruled out because he was 27 and Cooper was reportedly around 45. McCoy was ruled out because he had a full head of black hair and looked like Curt Warner, not Bing Crosby. The only surfaced link tying McCoy to 305 was his BUY gold medallion that had his initials on the back found on the plane in Reno. "Coop" stole that from the top of McCoy's dresser in his apartment in Burnsville, MN. He admitted to TOG and me the theft and his plan to 'drop' it on the plane to throw suspicion back to "da boys." A second link exists if it were ever to be released, and that is the first note sent to the cockpit on 305. That note was written by McCoy and could possibly be identified as his. It would at least be consistent with the note he passed several months later on his own hijacking. Hope that answers your question, Matt. No proof, just truth. Proof is for investigators. I'm not an investigator, I'm a witness.

I do not agree with you on your opinions above. You believe what you wish. My experiences are quite different than your beliefs. This is a forum to present differences, not threaten capitulation by force. Verify my statement with Carr. I DO NOT LIE.

Not 50 to 100 times a day like Washington State SA's. Inside of 4 minutes Carr said "gotcha" five times, so I asked him to refrain from using the word. He had serious difficulty complying. This is a well known fact among Washington State law enforcement officers. It is how they are identified. "The gotcha boys." "They play for keeps!"

"Gotcha! Remember this - BK even hi-jacked that expression regarding an executive with a company Duane worked for. A man of respectability and honor. He even used this man's nickname and changed the spelling." ______________________________ Perfect example of your read on EVERYTHING I SAY!! "Gotcha~" is a quote from Larry Carr. It is standard language in their FBI office. Anyone who spoke with him would know that. Jo, you consistently twist what is said with some other feeble memory in your head and come out with Rosan Rosanna Danna comments. It would be funny if it wasn't so sick. What I have said is all true. What you conclude is partly true, but you buy into too much misinformation from your investigation by believing too much BS. You did very well, considering. The blond wife lied to you, or withheld information, if you prefer. You intentionally leave out the primary suspect to enhance your Duane story. You irritate the FBI to the point they won't talk to you, then try to blame me for calling the case dead? Would that I could! Scorned words echo in empty halls. You are preaching to a non-existant congregation. It is not that they don't care.... it is that they care in reverse. I am the only preacher of your valid words. Open your blinded eyes.

_____________________________ Hardly. I can speel "thigh." Which rhymes with: "A guy, who can lie" Matt __________________ Pablum stuff again! Could, but won't. Too important to play the games you play. Grow up and take responsibility.

_____________________________ Hardly. I can speel "thigh." _____________________________ "If it doesn't exist, you won't find it. YOU may not find it if it DOES exist. If it is not fact, it won't lead you to the truth. Yes, it can, it's called deductive reasoning. If it is from a flawed, or made up memory, it will lead you from the truth." Yes, it can, it's called a parable. _____________________________ If it is truth, it will survive repudiation. If it is from a predjudiced mind, it is biased. If it is from ignorance, it is ignorance. If it is from a Government employee, it is worthless. Truth is the best policy. Truth talks, bullshit walks. I'm talkin'. If it is from a flawed or made up memory, Blevins wrote it. If it sucks past 40 knots over 110° F, Matt was there. The less you know, the more you blow.

Nonesense. He is no more a deterent to the FBi or anyone else than a rainbow in Spain. What you dont like is having to share media space here with him. Pretty pathetic on all accounts. ____________________________________ I have only ONE interest and that is that only the real facts be told. Truth is my ONLY policy. I may not know every minor detail about this case, but I GUARANTEE I know more than 99% of you. If you know more, you were part of it. I definitely know more than enough to spot the phony baloney and see who the people are who intentionally picking and choosing the original "factory produced FBI/FAA cover-up disinformation." Then there is the new fabrications group, who create "band-aide patch and repair stories" to fix leaks or failures in the dikes. Like the turkey gravy DNA on the tie does not match any witnesses..... so there is no reason to test it. Or, "Damned if we didn't misplace half of the evidence in the Cooper box!!!" "Poof!!" "Records? What records?" "Poof--Poof--Poof--Poof--Poof--Poof--Poof--Poof--Poof--Poof--" "You mean THESE pictures of McCoy?" (None of which are the same guy.) Our 5th grade class play had more sincere performances. Better story line too. Quit being a fart in the wind, Georger! Just drop a little one and tell Jo she's, "right, everybody knows it was Weber who jumped from 305. We just can't admit it. We're just keeping you quietly contained." No big deal, Jerry.

__________________________ Mrshtter45= PLO=cover up/clean up/mop up/suck up/screw up. Phony flight paths and phony tie clasps! Always intentionally wrong and so proud of it. Repeating your errors does not make them true. It only verifies your dedication and lack of knowledge of the Cooper Case. PLO. (Not Palestine Liberation Organization) Blevins could use a talented failed agent sort for proving KC was actually the long-lost trans-gender cousin of a Northwest VP who was trying to worm his way to the top through blackmail and false blame. He probably has the scoop right from his primo investigator. You'd fit right in. Similar logical conclusions. Go bother him and leave me alone. My position won't change. I know what I saw. I know what I heard. And I know who said what to whom, and when. That is all hard fact to me. No microscope needed to know where that tie clasp was not. Just a conversation with the guy who got it. You could try a little investigation instead of reiteration. You might find pronounced edification in reclassification of information from factual to 'balonial,' and visa-versial.

It could get done in a very short period of time, but it will not, because everybody promised to keep the secrets. It would be nice if you guys and "the old guys" especially, would just tell her she's right, but you can't go public with the story. Much less the truth.... Knoss writes: ". . . but you can't go public with the story . . .". R99 replies: Knoss it is nice to know that you can keep a secret. I'm sure nothing on this thread will ever become public knowledge. "YOU" think you can't, but I can and have. Join me, you dirty little backstabbing cowards!

"Can they detect heritage - such as race and/or the racial heritage of individuals several generations back? I know this is a silly question - but, what if? " ____________________ Yes, they can see the Native American. I think the "lost" evidence was just dumped in another evidence box at the same time the clasp was traded for the medallion by a specific SA. That is why a timeline on the clasp is relevant as the custody sheet may indicate the perp.

It could get done in a very short period of time, but it will not, because everybody promised to keep the secrets. It would be nice if you guys and "the old guys" especially, would just tell her she's right, but you can't go public with the story. Much less the truth.... Knoss writes: ". . . but you can't go public with the story . . .". R99 replies: Knoss it is nice to know that you can keep a secret. I'm sure nothing on this thread will ever become public knowledge. _________________________________ I'd like to see you try to explain the real truth to anyone and have them believe you. It is so twisted and complex even you can't untangle it. It does not make a bit of difference what I say on this toadstool pulpit hidden in a plastic web of trivia and boredom. First, nobody can find it, and second, nobody cares. In order to create any interest, you will have to fluff it up, put some suspense and humor in it, some big boobs, Lotza drama and reincarnate Steve McQueen or Peter Sellers. And they STILL wouldn't believe the true story. But then, you lost all your credibility on that stupid tie clasp.

It could get done in a very short period of time, but it will not, because everybody promised to keep the secrets. It would be nice if you guys and "the old guys" especially, would just tell her she's right, but you can't go public with the story. Much less the truth....

"I think that's plain enough. We presented what we had, but in no-way-shape-or-form does any of it prove that Kenny Christiansen was the hijacker. NO WAY." _________________________________________ No, that's for sure. But what I reported about KC wanting to become DB Cooper in death, his note to Lyle in his Will, requesting to have Lyle peddle the fable. Being told about the plot pre-Posterous by TOG family, THAT's PROOF! Why didn't you ever confront Lyle with the truth? If I know, others know. And I know for certain the FBI knows. Tread carefully. You are being documented........ accomplice, party of the second part.

"The friend of Duane's I met in Denver who claimed to have been a chauffeur for Howard Hughes - this is when Knoss gave birth to his one legged man....I will assure all that this man was NOT McCoy." _______________________________________________ Knoss never mentioned any one-legged men. That was another Jo Weber concoction. The crew leader claims McCoy died the second time of leg cancer around 1999-2000. Sylvester Stallone gave the dedication of the Rocky V movie to his bodyguard, Richard F. McCoy, Jr., on the tonight show, said he was dying of cancer. Called him a real American Hero, but could not release his name. Mr. T's bouncer contest had T as the winner and McCoy as runner up, jumping over the bannister just the same as he jumps the bannister in "Domination Nation." Facts are facts. McCoy told me he got cancer from holding a radar gun on his lap. Four separate sources of the same story. None related. Only inconsistency..... He did not die. ___________________________ "You and YOU ALONE in the past managed to get every site about Cooper Closed in the last 10 yrs - That is NOT a GOOD POINT in your favor!" _______________________ I have no idea what the Hell you are talking about. I never caused the FaceBook thing to close. I was off that for over a year when the FBI deleted it. Your Mysteries site was closed because you got into a battle with other guests. I was not involved at all. You don't have to attack every post I make here. Let me have my opinion. Ignore it! You make the stink as you always have. Assume for a moment that I might be right, because I am, most always. You have a serious memory problem as you admit. You also have a problem not knowing how much of anything to believe. Unfortunately, you accept erroneous information far too often which counters factual information. So, you throw out the real stuff and accept the phony stuff. It is a matter of choice, not a matter of fact. When you know the truth, there is no GUESSING!! When you guess, you discredit your whole story. Same as a lie. Since you were not in Minnesota, you have to guess based on bad information. Key information that breaks your whole story into garbage. It pays to know the truth. Makes it all crystal clear.

I already solved the crime. There was no crime, just a green flag on a union demonstration that served a different purpose. I verified it with TOG, talked to everybody of any consequence, and that's the bottom line. You book writers have no story. You have to fabricate. All the facts from McCoy over the years make for the only interesting potential book. McCoy was at home eating Thanksgiving dinner when he got the call. Right from McCoy's lips. He finished his meal, got up and flew to follow flight 305. That is FACT. That is what happened. Documented. Mac was a hell of a lot smarter than Weber. Just not a trained criminal. Big difference. All these wild goose claims keep bombarding the truth but the truth remains the same. If you keep repeating the garbage long enough and loud enough, maybe Jo will buy into it. Kinda like Waco and the CIA tactics. Termites on a wooden ship. Salt on Minnesota bridges. Cooper sloths. Big Brother. Conspiracy in motion. It is all right here for everyone to see. Failed Agents picking the bones of a John Doe for effect. Humorous or pathetic? Both.

From the masters of sleuthing come the sloths of planted information to disrupt more truth. Give us another rundown on the tie clasp that never was, or the 305 notes that never existed, or the flight path that nobody saw, or the missing cigarette butts, drink glasses, magazines, DNA, fingerprints, chicken eyed stares from stewardesses, secrets kept by agents, shot undercover agents, fake VietNam medals, dead John Doe bodies, stand-in doubles, missing files, missing records, changed and deleted data, secrets, secrets, secrets. All to cover up a domestic smoke and mirrors operation to justify a Presidential Order to enact laws Congress would not pass because of unpopularity. And you guys still have to perfume the air after 40 years! Give it up. Get over it. Ruby Ridge and Texas, etc., it is just an ongoing display of too much power in the hands of a few that need the ceiling brought down on them once in a while. Oversight really stinks. And they buy your crap. Sad. REALLY sad.

Jimmy Hoffa has more brains left in the bottom of Florida's swamps than you ever had. If it weren't for Google, you'd be circling the swamps in search of advice. Hint: Google is not a source of intel, it is an indiscriminate search engine. You are the dude that spent a week looking at a planted tie clasp that was never even on the plane!!! Can't even figure out the Government's program for pre-registration interviews by local draft boards!! Number two sloth, the yellow striped badger in disguise. At first I thought you had some potential at deducing truth with your information there was a tie clasp distributor who lived near McCoy. Then you dropped the ball. Just another hired hand? "Like to hear your hat roar", like my dad used to say. Never understood what that meant, but it fits with the jibberish we get from the book promoter, you, and the drum beater dude. The one who thinks he is an FBI gopher now. What a collection of minstrels. What kind of creature pulls this bandwagon? A swayback mule? Mr. Ed? Goofy? Wily Coyote? The janitor at Seattle?

No way. I know quite a bit about 70s radio direction finding technology, both civilian and military, nulling loops, Doppler, Watson Watt types etc, BK's DF accuracy claim is BS. Even phase interferometry techniques couldn't give you that accuracy at 500 miles. Not even close. When BK strays into tech he stumbles: witness his claimed use of a chest reserve as a back mounted chute for the DBC jump. In radio direction finding he makes similar mistakes. 377 I may not be able to build a radio, but I was able to sit in the plane and watch NW pilot David Haapala fly his Mooney Executive dead nuts to Devil's Lake airport from Minneapolis by radio signals. Dave now owns an aircraft communications company. 50 feet is pretty accurate. Don't try to tell me I'm wrong. Everything I say is absolutely true. Especially the stuff I haven't said. Dave and Rataczak were good friends. Dave's father, Bernie, was an FAA official and on Nixon's Air Piracy Committee. I was with Dave and Bernie, et al, for three years (during the Cooper years.) McCoy vistied us in his Raul Rahaul eye patch disguise in Dassel, MN. Several Cooper discussions took place among us. Bernie is now passed. Just another small paragraph in history. Half a page in more actual quotes as part of my 50 pages. But you won't verify squat, because your objective is not the truth, it is to hide the truth. Chicken-shits! Citizens are not capable of knowing the truth?? But people like you are???? That is totally backwards. Who works for whom?

Then you should walk. You can't answer the direct question, because you lied. There are no notes. It was a lie, you got caught, again, simple. I have held a security clearance far higher than you, since you never held one, any would be higher I suppose. That process alone, is why I know your story to be farce and so laughable. And even if there was 50 pages of hand written notes, they would amount to nothing. Modern science would prove they didn't happen to be written at the right time, and would not have been from the none existent project. That is called a forgery in the art world. That whole response above was just more of your fantasy, and is drivel. Plus you had to resort to name calling, very grade school play ground. Remember resorting to name calling and insults is a indicator of a lack of character, intelligence, and facts, to bring to the discussion. Chief is laughing so hard, breathing is difficult. At least Jo is proving, with evidence, where her ideas and notions come from, and as she does disproving your "case", BTW. Jo's case at least makes a bit of sense, but I think Duane may have known, or thought he knew, the Suspect, not actually have been the suspect, the drawing of the suspect and Duane are just too far off. Plus, just being around those trained in some activity doesn't mean you able to do that activity. And of course it could all be coincidence, and mean nothing at all. Matt Silly, Matt. You ALWAYS make unsupported statements for the sole purpose of flaming. You ALWAYS approach every position from the false side and insist on the truth being wrong. Even a total blithering idiot would get something right, just by law of averages! Go back to your pablum, kid. You have much learning to do. I do not like you, do not want to talk to you, and am bored to death by your one track badgering. You obviously have NO interest in the truth at all. ABSOLUTELY NONE!

_______________________________________ I want no more of YOUR assistance. Thank you. You are another subversive submariner.

"You made this post just hours ago. Since we all know you can scan and attach items to your posts, I challenge you to prove this statement of 50 pages to be true. Scan them, so they are legible, and post them in the next six hours, or accept that we will add this "50 pages" statement to the rest of the fact-less fable. It does not serve your "cause" to call Jo a liar. It speaks to the Kettle/pot thing. So by 1630 CDT, post the scans. Tick tick tick tick... " ___________________________________________ Matt Cline: You have proven yourself totally untrustworthy of handling sensitive information. Retarded is a polite term that I used in the past, but there is no good term to describe your opinionated attacks on the truth from Jo and me. Your complete lack of knowledge and assumption of planted evidence and false testimony is exemplatory of counter-intelligence at work. You definitely can not be trusted with my documents. They are bona facia evidence that support everything I have said. You would absolutely attempt to use them as "more character assassination evidence" against me. You are as predictable as your, "tick-tick-tick." I'd really like to carry on a discussion with a Mensa group instead of a Minstrel group. (Picture a bandwagon pulled by an official chicken-shit FBI cover-up crew. Picture Jo being towed behind in a Red Flier wagon, waving and throwing suckers to all the onlookers.) It would appear the Canadian Mounted Police made a prior entry in force, based on the residual evidence, or was it the Cooper bandwagon that generated that stenchful litter? Pretty obvious to everyone what the answer to that one is. Used oats cast no votes. Truth talks, horse shit walks.

Your post is NOT worthy of being repeated! ENOUGH is ENOUGH! YOU know YOU did not tell me anything other than you knew Duane and claimed to have known the wife. I proved you DID NOT know the wife and you had NO idea she was still alive. Originally you never heard of TG and then you used his name as McCoy's. You kept expanding your claims and the garbage started to spew. When you found I was in contact with the wife of the day, you doubled back and claimed she might not have been his wife, but a FBI "type" who was supposed to "control" him. I know WHO was with him during those days. I have had ENOUGH of your lies and fabrications. You knew NOTHING about Duane nor his friends. You created STORIES but had NO knowledge of Duane's wife or her family and you even had the time span wrong. You accuse her of doing a robbery and told Grey it was in the papers. NO records of an arrest existed and NO article in any newspaper. I DID NOT VALIDATE YOUR STORY and never will. You are totally incorrect about the truth of the matter. I DO NOT LIE LIKE YOU DO. Once you lie, your credibility is no longer accepted. In court when you lie, ALL of your testimony is THROWN OUT, as yours should be here. Your information can not be trusted. You are a serial liar. Your only saving grace with me is I know the difference. When you speak the truth it is consistent with what I know. You make me laugh with these reversals. Biggest problem is that you can't remember all the lies!! Red and white canopy, white canopy when you never saw anything. No fire tower, fire tower, milk can, milk pail, don't know Mac, leave him alone, "Once there was one, now there are three, find my wife and you will find me!" One after another, constantly. A person would have to be dumber than a frickin' rock to swallow your deceptions. And you want ANYONE to believe you? You are a LOSE CANNON. Nobody trusts what you might say, because you constantly lie. Practically every post about me contains lies. They are obvious. Scrambled eggs? No. Scorned payback? Yup. I believe everything I present is the absolute truth. Most of it was first hand, or I explain it. I would say the same thing under oath. I am not an investigator, I am a witness. You don't seem to comprehend the difference. When I tell you that Duane was told to say that he didn't have a grudge against Northwest, he just had a grudge, I'm am telling you that those words were given to both of us at the same time, not that someone said that was the case. I heard the actual words same as Duane at the same time from the same person. Witness. No guessing, no investigation, no secondhand "I think", or "something like", I memorized it as instructed, for a specific purpose, and I am not wrong. There is one person who knows this to be fact and we have discussed it. That person was impressed. I have 50 pages of exact quotations, word for word of instructional conversation consistent with what transpired on flight 305. NOT he said, she said. It makes everything crystal clear. But it is of no value without that second signature. Ain't gunna happen. Go figure. End of conversation.

"The story is never the same - it grows!" It is like Georger says, a volcano. It is just simmering, like Yellowstone is. It's not growing, just releasing a little at a time. You have the concept of St. Helens? Yellowstone could cause an ice age. Hopefully not in our time.

I probably would have gone to Iraq. Different situation. Perhaps if you experienced what I did you would see that differently too. I do not lie or fabricate what I say, Matt. You don't have the facts, just your opinions based on bad intel. Pushing me around only firms my stance. I stand my ground when I'm right. McCoy never lied to me. Prove otherwise. "FACTless." No, FACT!! per Larry Carr in a 45 minute conversation with me discussing the fine details of this case.