BobKnoss

"Dead on you, Cline" are you SURE you want to go with this line, Sir? Perfectly lined up on target. Dead on. Form of speech.

How God Damned ILLEGAL I was put through it!

Nice try. Facts are facts. You seem to want to add a lot of you own baloney to my information, just to antagonize. If you spent an hour with the right people telling you the real truth you might understand, or maybe you already do, and that's why you are so fixed on ridiculing it. I've been told this information is downright dangerous, so I've stayed away from the doors you just opened. I choose not to go there. It wasn't JFK or RFK, it was MLKjr and not in payment for. Never thought of the VietNam thingie. You really suppose? Naw! I believe what McCoy says, completely. He did say MLKjr. and Ray was going to be his patsy. He was in Canada 50% 0f the time, and his favorite undercover was Rahoul with an eye patch! It WAS SAID! Your false perception of deception is factual information, were you man enough to investigate instead of hassle the pursuit of that information. It is not like it is unobtainable, just grossly undesirable TO YOU! I never looked at it that way, but, yes, now that you put it that way, I must agree with you, I do believe I am somewhat of an official Cooper expert. I'm sure TOG and McCoy are more knowledgeable by a long shot, but THAT was my assignment, and I did my job for 35 years as promised. I never promised beyond 35 years. McCoy said to go ahead and tell the story, so I am. If Mac wants me to stop, he can call. He has my number. An operation this big can't be hidden forever. You are just helping expose it with your obviously biased perspective with no honest attempt to even look at evidence. Over and over and over again, you refuse to do anything but attack the truth of the matter without merit and rehash phony evidence, never anything valid. It is completely in character with Government tactics. Rediculous!

This folks is the winner of best dz.com comedy post of the year! This is a keeper! BK. you cant even spell my name right, now we are to beleiev any else you say? I have been here on this site a lot longer than you, so swing and a miss, again. The chief said that YOU'RE the one assigned to the misdirection team! You should be ashamed of your self for the second paragraph of your post. Praying on the emotions of an elderly woman, who is trying to find out the TRUTH about her husband, pure predatory conman style right there. I will ask you politely to spell my name right and refer to me by my given name or initials, as have I to you. Any thing else is an insult and PA. I gave you credit for your FB thing, but you should now stop. They have this thread to include the post above this, so they have seen I am not the one "spreading lies and false information about a government false flag operation used to subjugate the people and fund the CIA's illegal activities in the countries borders and abroad" etc etc. Matt Finally hit a nerve? Dead on you, Cline! MORE COVER-UP!! I don't, won't, can't lie about any of this. You and your buddies do nothing except. Never, NEVER with valid information, ever! Always lies in someone else's mouth, right? Crystal clear who's telling the truth by the accusations you make. Never check my information, just rampage like a bull elephant in heat. You know nothing, care less and are only interested in jumping on the bandwagon like a good little soldier. Sorry, Matt, you aren't very good at your new assignment. Duane Weber was Dan Cooper in a Government conspiracy to improve airline safety Worldwide, although it was originally planned by TOG and McCoy to be something else much more docile. Nixon did it, encouraged by the FAA and supported by many, many pilots. It was a BIG, BIG, ha-ha joke among pilots. Still is. And Tina gets a giant bottle of French Ho Perfume. Real funny! Sorry. Not my flavor.

Jo: This Kline dude is acting as an Anti-Weber agent for the Cooper Crew and just "flaming" to kill the subject. I understand from my inside source that he was added to the crew quite a while ago, about the time he showed up here. Just ignore him as his only purpose is to incite and occupy your time on triviality, keeping the real facts under wraps. Time to tell about the other guy and the whole story. That's the source of Jerry's attacks and now Matties. Watch the fireworks then! That's what they DON"T WANT!! They look to discredit and dismiss Duane and YOU, because YOU are a danger, proven correct! And THAT is what this is all about. Open your sleepy eyes! Give them the old one-two punch. Everybody knows the truth here. No big secret. Nobody's talking, just parading with the bandwagon playing, "Wild Goose Chase." And conjuring up more "straw men." Talking up planted evidence, charades, smoke and mirrors... Such a Shakespearian farce! Slueths? Not on your life! Sloths, perhaps. Slinks, slugs, bloodsuckers, perania, sharks, all in the same genus.

That is fully understandable, since you KNOW nothing of what happened. The case is a done deal. Weber was Dan Cooper, period. Everybody knows it, they just won't give Jo the nod because she puts egg on everyone's face. You are funny, Matt, just like your trainer. So, huff and puff and blow yourself silly. You really don't count in the overall scheme of things. Bing Crosby! Look at Bing Crosby. Or Don Cooper, Jamie will welcome your enthusiasm. Don't argue on the internet when you don't understand the subject, it's retarded. Jo is RIGHT! ...and wrong. You are ALWAYS wrong.

""No, I am saying TOG planned a "false Flag" Government Operation authorized by Nixon. I accuse nobody. If you dig deeper you will find the parachute packing experience. His pack jobs were a very sought after item. He started out packing all his own, then for others. This is something that has been eliminated from his bios. TOG did the training, which tells you he was a competent experienced jumper. He did some high altitude jumps also. Remember, anything of any importance has been altered or omitted wherever possible. You might try to get his military records, but I know they made major changes in McCoy's records. He was Mennonite (Mormon) and would not take up arms to fight, just like me. He was NEVER in VietNam, me either. You are asking about one of the biggest cover-up legacies in History. It includes MLK's assassination and Jim Jones' Jonestown mass suicide, and perhaps other McCoy involvements. That stuff is all on the internet to read yourself. Search Richard A. McCoy CIA and hang on to your shorts. The ties are the lawyers, follow the lawyers' histories and the book unfolds. It is all in public view. With McCoy, his tie is O'Hara from 1968 through 1975, when Mac got his own undercover crew, "The Dog Boys". Happy reading." This is the truth of the matter that you try to cover up. I reaffirm this statement to be what really happened. My information is first hand, not conjured up plaster jobs like you work to lay over the top of the real facts. If you don't know, you never will. If you are using FAA and FBI information to reconstruct, then you are just using the same can of paint over again. The reported information was FALSIFIED. You have to rely on HONEST reports from people like "Janet" and Cook's witnesses. At least McCoy has never lied. I've caught EVERYONE else in at least one false statement. One guy even wrote a whole frickin' book and tried to pass it off as truth! If you KNOW the truth, it is easy to SEE the errors, still hard to prove. I'll just keep telling what really happened, that is really simple and exposes the obvious deceptions. Smoke and mirrors don't change the truth, they just fool you into where the truth really is. Your 'OFFICIAL FACTS' are PHONY COMPILATIONS. THAT's a real fact. Evidence is at every turn, changing daily, word by word.

"You make a few assertions with out proof again. You're also approaching this backwards, making BK style demands, and demanding people do YOUR research to prove your assertions. If your so convinced, then you prove it. Look up the pics and say which one you had possession of. Attacking others credibility when yours is suspect is a childish endeavor, and is beneath any decent person. Matt " YOU are the one who always has it wrong, Matt. We are not trying to prosecute the case, either of us. We both have asked for assistance in finding things we believe to be true that help the case. We are not asking you to run a kangaroo court with ruff-shod backwards under-the-table rules. If you have to present yourself as a straw man judge and jury, we (she) does not need you biased opinions since you actually know nothing of the project, or at least your comments express that ignorance. Get it? Crew guy?

___________________________________________ Yes, I can pass any fair test. So can Jo. The FBI is NOT going to expose their flank to the truth of our statements. I agree with her on this one. Why do you try so hard to kill the story? Nobody is going to be arrested. Nobody is "after" anybody. You are all paranoid! Face facts. Cowboy up. Work on your day job, you are really good at that. Not this. You have been fed a line of make-believe by TOG that just ain't so. I understand, but it is wrong, bud. ______________________________________________ In Reply To Jo: "Yes, I have done some teases to extract information or to continue a specific conversation - "We all have a little Larsency in our Hearts". ________________________________________ Some of us really do not. I am not the one to ask about changing your story or lying about facts, since that is about all you have exposed me too after you realized the truth of my statements. It takes the wind out of your sails and makes your story a bye-line. So, I'm now always wrong, always lying, always insane, always faking, and never knew Duane. Amazing. You said Gunther's book was not true, now it is? A red and white canopy? Never in Bloomington, MN? Not in MO. under Weber? Never knew McCoy? McCoy was shot dead? No TOG? No McCoy? Hundreds of examples. Half of your story. "But I love you anyway."

Depends on how many trick questions you ask. You can make anyone fail if you know the answers and key the questions. Let me ask the questions and we will see if she can pass a fair test. I think she will pass with flying colors, uh, red and white. I talked to Uncle Mac.... You told me a fib.

"If the FBI has actually destroyed evidence such as some of the supposed notes from Cooper - that would really be - SUSPECT and support the covert or government sanctioned theories that float in and out of the Cooper Case." We need to differentiate between the FBI and the older FBI agents who were pilots. This was a pilots' deployment, not an official FBI action. If they were not involved with pilots in some way they were not involved with Project Norjak. The ONLY exceptions I have ever heard of are Duane, and myself. We were 'induced' labor. The evidence box was tampered with and evident "lost", the medallion exchanged for the tie clasp and the medallion returned to McCoy. McCoy was never in VietNam. The 305 flight path is being falsified and good information is flushed down the tube. There has been so much crap introduced to this case and official stories changed so often that less than half of it is true anymore. The plane is now made into 'pop cans.' Pretty soon there won't be anything left except Blevins' book. And some of the people will become all of the people, and DB Cooper will become Saint Kenny Claus with a bag full of money for all the little kiddies. Revision 367.

You can type any word in front of "satchel" and get the same images. Took a while to figure that out. You still get the same 3 million hits. I did a little real life research and came up with the following: A Minneapolis Northwest pilot from the Cooper era suggested to me that the money case might be a camera bag. It seems, according to his story, that a Northwest management employee was involved in helping count and copy the ransom money. There was very little time, so they ran the money through a photocopier and rebundled the money with rubber bands. They had nothing to put the money in, so the NW guy grabbed his BRAND NEW EXPENSIVE camera bag and used that. "Everyone has to contribute something," he said. That was his contribution. Now, you can believe that, or not. It is what was told to me, wether or not it is true is not my call. It is just another opinion told by a series of people. Another circle jerk. To be sure you'd have to research it and talk to the guy from NW who was Count DeMonne'. I could lead you by the nose, but that would only give ME satisfaction. Do your own work!

"Under the leather handle a tongue like thing went under it and there was a catch on the other side. There was leather along the bottom and sides with leather straps going up the bag to the top - (I do not remember the configuration of this exactly - time has taken its' toll on my memory of something I threw away). There was also loops one could put a shoulder strap thru or rope thru to secure the bag to ones self. (Duane had told me that at one time it had a strap). It was more narrow at the top than the bottom and it was longer than it was wide." What you are describing here might be what is called a "bucket bag" and several are shown in Google that might meet your recollections.

"Cooper asked for a Napsack but the money was not delivered in a napsack. The White Bank bag was placed into another container when it was taken on the plane. I wish I could draw a picture of that bag. I have tried to find one like it on line but never found anything even close." Jo, there are hundreds and hundreds of canvas bags, bank bags, Brinks bags, etc. you can look at. Go to Google, click "images" and type in "canvas bag" or "bank bag" and scan through till you see something close. As you described it, I found a standard railroad bag that was used in the 70's that might be close to your description, the kind I remember seeing used in armored cars. This might be found at a bank. This one is marked DuPont. (attached) On a further note to the money transfer, there was a Northwest management employee that helped count, copy and rubber band the cash. It was done in a big hurry and they did not have any paper bands to use. This does not ring true with Carr's reported chain of events. I chose not to believe Carr's statement for this reason. I DO trust my source, a NW pilot. I have access to the source of my information, but I don't think it is necessary to impeach SA Carr. Where the money came from is inconsequential.

Frankie Lane: "Rawhide" and "Mule Train" were good. I'm a Roy Orbison fan, but like a little of everything. I helped pick the song packages and the sales presentation on two of the current Time-Life offerings. Musical officianado that I am.... It's more who you know that counts.

dont forget the Military Industrial Complex warning - Dwight D. Eisenhower. Douglas MacArthur had a completely different point of view. I knew Petey's phrase was context driven and you would know the context, based on your conversations with him. I wont make any value judgements. Now if Petey had been a programer and talking about DOS and PL1 ... but he wasn't. Petey was quite the frustrated dreamer, but so were many back then. An uncle of mine advised: 'wishing doesnt make things true - get to work!' Most biases have a personal basis of some kind. Most people form biases (are shaped) by living. Then they discover they have to be able to afford their biases, which they can't! Its one of the basic conundrums of existence. Most of Shakespearre's plays are based on that conundrum. The only question is did his tantrums include hijacking an airplane? ______________________________________________ “Cry of the Wild Goose” Frankie Lane Analogous to "Georger's Wild Goose Chase." My heart knows what the wild goose knows, I must go where the wild goose goes. Wild goose, brother goose, which is best? A wanderin' fool or a heart at rest? Tonight I heard the wild goose cry, Wingin' north in the lonely sky. Tried to sleep, it weren't no use, 'Cause I am a brother to the old wild goose, Oh, my heart knows what the wild goose knows, And I must go where the wild goose goes. Wild goose, brother goose, which is best? A wanderin' fool or a heart at rest? Petey was kind and true to me. He thinks he loves me, the more fool he. He's got a love that ain't no use, To chase the trail of the old wild goose. My heart knows what the wild goose knows, And I must go where the wild goose goes. Wild goose, brother goose, which is best? A wanderin' fool or a heart at rest? Oh, you wild goose. The cabin is warm and the snow is deep, I had a dream when I went asleep. Pete will wake at tomorrow's dawn, And find, poor critter, that Duane is gone. Oh, you wild goose. My heart knows what the wild goose knows, I must go where the wild goose goes. Wild goose, brother goose, which is best? A wanderin' fool or a heart at rest? Let me fly, let me fly, let me fly away. Spring is comin' and the ice will break, I can't linger for Petey's sake. He'll see a shadow pass overhead. He'll find my feathers beside my bed. My heart knows what the wild goose knows, And I must go where the wild goose goes. Wild goose, brother goose, which is best? A wanderin' fool or a heart at rest? Wild goose, wild goose, wild goose, wild goose.

"It is bottom feeders like BK that make themselves part of Someone Else's story or life because they have no life of their own nor do they actually have anything about their subject...in BK's case - didn't even know the subject (Duane L. Weber) he claims was Coop." I tell the truth. TOG was standing right beside me and asked "Coop" his real name for my benefit. I have numerous other witnesses I have listed in the past, but they choose to keep the 'secret' as Nick O'Hara calls it. You just elect not to believe the truth because you only want the truth to be YOUR half-true STORY!! Does not work that way. I don't tell YOUR story, I tell THE story. You were kept out of the Project's inside circle by everyone including Pasternak. Lord only knows what you could do or say. Nobody will hand you that credibility. They are really happy you don't believe me. Big relief. I think the whole thing is an expensive waste of time played by retired people who put on the scam like a herd of grifters reliving their favorite scams. Kind of a Players Liar's Club. Everyone tries to create a more sophisticated fabrication than the last person and fights to the death to make it fly. EVERYONE avoids the real truth, or you're banished. Liar's don't tell the truth, even if it is more interesting than the best lies. I guess I'm the exception, because I dislike lies and ignorance with a very serious passion. "You also need to add 17 yrs more - that is how long I was married to Duane. I met Duane in 1977 and he died in 1995 and now it is 2012 and I have NOT backed down (if you stick to the trruth there is NO reason to do so). In August of 2012 I will have devoted 37 yrs to the subject...Duane L. Weber and his confession and the story he left me with and the secrets he took with him." 2012 minus 1997 is only 15 years on the Cooper Case. I was privy to Project Norjak and Duane Weber in 1968. 2012 minus 1969 is FORTY-THREE YEARS. I was not 'devoted" to Duane, but I sure had a lot of Cooper exposure. I'm awful damned good at repeating important conversations. McCoy is even better! He is a Master!

Jo wrote Quote Frankly you guys have NO IDEA what is coming down - This is going to fall so hard it will shake the very foundation of the Cooper case Now where have I heard that before? Still waiting. BTW, the Cooper case has no foundation to shake. It's an amorphous free floating entropic organism that morphs constantly. 377 One of the first conversations we had was to listen to how bad that book was and how it was complete hogwash, nothing right, total fairy tale. Now it is all true. Amazing, absolutely amazing. "Tell her a story and pretty soon she will come back with the same story like it is her own." Sound familiar? 180° turnaround on Gunther. Maybe there is hope for me yet! The only ripple that could shake the humongous pile of Cooper fiction is a tell-all co-authored book by McCoy and TOG. Based on recent false testimony, the indications are THAT won't happen. Guess the ball's in my court. You lucky, lucky people! Hey, Badger, still nothing from St. Louis, but I have a couple hundred classmates that had to do the 15th birthday interview thingie for automatic sign-up at 18. You want names and numbers? Betchca not, huh? Not interested in truth, only argument. Not important anyway. What's your connection to the Cooper Cover-up? I've got Jerry Thomas, Matt, Blevins and Georger figured out along with the SA's and the perps. What's your connection? Trainee? Waterboy?

I see lots of ambiguities that I chose not to address is this and the last section. I will note verification of information assigned incorrectly here to Scott, which I reported: " Even more confounding, FBI agent Russ Calame, in his book on the skyjacking, titled, DB Cooper – the Real McCoy, writes that Captain Scott told Ralph Himmelsbach, at the latter’s retirement party from the FBI in April, 1980, that 305 was flying much further west than first reported – over Woodland, Washington and miles outside of Victor-23 – and about 30 miles west of where Himmelsbach now claims 305 flew." No comment at this time, other than to express a certain loss of respect for a friend.

100% cover-up artist! I stand by all my statements. I repeat, you are 100% incorrect in this post. You just prove it in your negativity to the Nth. Nobody should be wrong all the time, but you manage it, so it must be orchestrated. Nobody could address so many PHONY evidence subjects without being advised. Nobody would act like a point dog that you and Matt project. You post for no other purpose than to harass me for my information, not because you have a valid response, just because you wish to silence me. You just keep inviting me to respond. Let's do a little bubble chart with what happened when and we can draw lines and everything to satisfy your need for an orderly presentation. You will see when your clasp enters the sequence and when the Medallion goes back to McCoy. You and Matt have the official script and that is the only tune you can play. Sorry, we know better. Amazing how much smarter you feel when you actually lived the experience rather than follow orders to whitewash it. I will not be your Huckleberry or your blow-up doll. Left turn, Clyde!

"Jo Weber States: Phony Story? - You (BK) are the one who created the red/white chute - NOT Jo Weber. You have NO idea what obscure facts I do have." Nor do I care. YOU told me red and white on the phone, I disagreed. That is what YOU said. Can't worm your way out of it. You think you have obscure facts? I think you have a lot of good information with an equal amount of mis-heard erroneous garbage that completely destroys what credibility you actually have. Throw away all that garbage you've been fed and stick to what you actually KNOW, like me. Your information is basically true, just cluttered with a bunch of "bait", "test information", non-essential history, guesstimates, assumptions, and worst of all, a failure to accept the information I offer as boldfaced truth, which it is. All of it. MAC-MAC-MAC.

http://themountainnewswa.net/2012/06/09/the-hunt-for-db-cooper-the-resurgent-investigation-into-americas-only-unsolved-skyjacking-preface-and-introduction-chapter-1/ Did Cooper sign the ticket, or did the agent? I understood it was the agent.

"Clara claimed that Cooper was wearing a jump suit under his suit and was sweating. The passenger sitting across from Cooper noted something sticking out from under his pants - he thought perhaps long underwear." In his training Duane was instructed to wear TWO PAIR of thermal underwear. This is consistent information. He would have been sweating, yes.

QuoteI find it extremely hard to believe that I was "scolded" for saying Slander/Lie while several have used this term since! then you have Knoss claiming knowledge of a Murder plot involving another post members deceased husband??? nothing to prove this is true what so ever! and he also goes on correcting everyone's comments with yet again ZERO evidence to back up anything coming out of his typed mouth! -------------------------------------------------------- Not only do you have ZERO PROOF, Mrs. Hutter45, you have PHONY proof with that silly planted pearl tie clasp! Do a little research. It is all in black and white. At least it was before I brought the subject up. Your relatives, the busy beavers have been helping the honey badger cover the real footprints of a national "false Flag" as you call it. You won't check ANYTHING of true value to the story. THAT's ALL THE PROOF anybody needs! Truth is toxic! Pass the tie clasp, please. We'll sell that for a while..... What else is in the list, Jerry? Let's see, the parachute, the CDI TV stuff is popular.... DON"T MENTION McCoy's Medallion!! Stay away from Janet!! Bob's CRAZY! Don't talk to Tenet!! Leave McCoy alone!! Pasternak never said that! Ralph never said that! Carr never said that! McCoy never said that! That's why I stay at it, because everyone agrees the truth never happened. It'a amazing, absolutely amazing. And you keep a straight face, too? Nobody ever said anything. Bull freeking crap.

Since everyone has heard this (BLAST) tale from you ad nauseum, perhaps you should step out for a while and return when you have at least a shred of evidence. YOU HAVE NO EVIDENCE AT ALL, either. Only a lot of unrelated history. That is why the FBI won't even LOOK at your claim. I told them where that story was generated. Case closed. My evidence is solid, just not released. BIG difference.