Bob_Church

I mean this as a serious question, even if the situation isn't. Probably. Let's say it all blows up and the government throws Trump and Pence out of Washington and tells the Democrats, "ok, your turn, appoint a President and get on with it." Who gets the job? Or maybe a little more realistic, who do the Democrats run in the rapidly approaching Presidential elections. They'll get here sooner than you think. It just seems like forever when the campaigning starts.

Not even close. Not all laws are the same. Some laws are good. Some laws are bad. But any time you pass a law, no matter how good it would be if it were carried out, that can't be enforced it's a very bad thing to do. No, that doesn't mean laws aren't enforceable. Some aren't. It doesn't mean laws are good. Some laws are. And some laws are bad. We should enforce the laws we have but if they can't be enforced, no matter how good the intent, then they shouldn't be laws.

It never fails to amaze me how you oversimplify things to the point that they're not just incorrect, they don't even make sense. Now we're talking "The Law." Is that like "Ape Law?"

I just watched it at home, and it's very good. I do regret not seeing it in a good theater now. And I suspect the higher quality sound would improve things nearly as much as the big screen.

Or, stories we never thought we'd read. https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2018-05-02/australian-brewers-make-weaker-beer-to-attract-younger-drinkers I guess the link says it all. If you can't get through the paywall I've attached a pdf of the story. Australian Brewers Make Weaker Beer to Attract Younger Drinkers - Bloomberg.pdf

Fixed it for you. Not sure how that is "fixed". Bill Clinton made false statements under oath during a deposition. That, by definition, is perjury. He ended up being cited for contempt of court for 'failing to testify truthfully'. Towards the end of this Wiki article. I just wish people would quit pounding this whole "Fixed it For You" thing into the ground. It was obnoxious to start with and now it's obnoxious and done to death.

That's good but I think this is the funniest thing I've ever seen. Especially when you listen to the crow laugh. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qt-pB1R64mI

And in this case we get a federally licensed gun shop owner, not some parking lot or gun show deal, selling hundreds of guns and putting them in his own name for years. It's hard to imagine anything that undermines the idea of gun control any more than that. And yet he got a year less than the OU janitor who got caught stealing an old vcr.

"I think everyone just said, "Yup, figures, and surprise surprise, he's lying about something again." In the grand scheme I think the typical "Clinton voter" was thinking "Hey, at least it was consensual." " But I thought that was the $64k question all along. That is, "Where does consent end and coercion start with a powerful figure?" I don't remember Clinton being vilified for having sex with willing women, but getting them to his room, sometimes with help from the Highway Patrol, then putting on the pressure. It's hard to look through those old articles and not be overwhelmed with the accusations of pressuring women for sex. Bill Clinton paid Paula Jones $850,000, not to keep quiet but as an out of court settlement after she accused him of flashing her then demanding oral sex. Even Lewinski is seeing it differently now. "I now see how problematic it was that the two of us even got to a place where there was a question of consent,” Lewinsky says in her new essay. “Instead, the road that led there was littered with inappropriate abuse of authority, station, and privilege. (Full stop.)" https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/politics/wp/2018/02/26/what-monica-lewinsky-learned-from-metoo/?utm_term=.0a77f02f2db2

It looks to me as though the laws he broke put in the slammer. Good; this what we need to do with these scofflaws that think they do not need to comply. Other than that, I do not know what you are trying to say. Jerry Baumchen He got three years for illegally selling hundreds of guns that will be impossible to trace. His wife got probation. And it took them a couple of years to figure out that he was selling guns to someone who had the same name that he did. Enforcement of existing laws is a joke.

You'll notice that a lot of people say "why create laws when we don't enforce the ones we have?" I'd add "at least not adequately." I remembered reading this article but just now found it. The problem is that it turns out to be in a paper I don't subscribe to. Well, didn't, I signed up. Since this is behind a firewall I made a pdf and will add it as an attachment. It's important to read the entire thing so you get the ying of how many serious laws he broke for how long, and the yang of a very mild sentence. As some people say, including me, we have to be careful that new laws don't only affect people who obey laws. Coolville gunshop .pdf

"I can't fathom why the hell Sanders hasn't resigned. What possible career path is enhanced by building a reputation of lying to every question? At this point, who would be the most trusted? " But give up show business?

On OU's campus the smelly stuff hit the fan, especially as you'd guess, from the women' rights group. But it seemed like a general feeling of disgust for nearly all students. There were several protests, not just on campus but right down Court Street. And I can't help but think that one of the many things that kept HRC out of the White House was these same people finding themselves unable to vote for a wife who would put up with that. I think that if she's shot Bill no jury in the country would have found her guilty.

I think that we're still assuming a Bill Clinton response to Trump's screwing around but I don't think they could be any more different. Clinton was a Democrat and a large part of his constituency was genuinely upset at what they saw as his attitude towards women. I can't imagine a mainstream Trump supporter being upset with Trump for having sex with playboy playmates and porn stars. Clinton voters after this stuff got out: "He's got to go!" Trump supporters after hearing all this: You go boy!"

I think it was 1980 at one of the Z-hills boogie When Carl Boenish used the side of the building as a screen and showed a lot of great movies. One was Rob Packs jump in which the belly mount was put into a large baking bowl for better grips. He flew to the guy with the parachute, took it, snapped it on, then released the bowl and opened. I wanted to see how the bowl came through it but they never showed that.

But before that he was a prosecutor, and a Pro at it. People like Michael Milkin were breaking laws that most people couldn't even understand. It would take a real genius to convict those weasels and Giuliiani was it. As soon as I heard that he was going to the White House I thought that maybe Trump has just screwed himself. Giuliani isn't some toady and he's way too smart for Trump to pull the wool over his eyes. 'The Serpent on the Rock' by Kurt Eichenwald is a great book about Giuliani vs The Crooks and surprisingly entertaining considering the topic. And the more you learn about Venture Capital and the so-called Economic Miracle of the 80s the more upset you'll get. But it's good stuff to know.

Hmmm So you view guns as a special piece of property Sorry I don’t If my house is locked and someone breaks into my house I should not be liable for what they do with stolen property If my car is stolen I am not liable for what the thief does with it This is also related to the federal law that states people can NOT sue arms manufacturers because of what someone else, who has a perfectly operating piece of that companies equipment, for malicious use of that equipment So You Get the hell out of my house You have NO RIGHT to be there Sorry, but I don't think cars are a good example. If you leave your keys in the car a lot of places will come down on you for not securing it. I'm not disagreeing with what you said about not being responsible for what a thief does with it, but law enforcement does expect it to be secured.

I don't think Bill Clinton is stupid. In fact there's good reason to believe that he's very intelligent. That's why, unlike with Trump, I'm surprised that he would do something that stupid. And it was. The director of our Photo Journalism school lost his job for being stupid. A young woman accused him of doing things while they were together in a studio at night, alone. This was inexcusably stupid (and knowing both of them Becky was a good kid, Larry was a sleezeball that I saw hitting on one of my student workers while his wife was in the hospital having a mastectomy, I know which one I trust. I offered to step in for my student worker but she said thanks, don't bother with the clown. Her choice but I would have) but even if Becky was lying about everything she said there was absolutely no excuse for him to get her into a studio in a closed building alone at night then have her take her clothes off. He said he got her to take off her clothes as part of a calendar he was making, which begged the question of why a PHOTOJ person was making an Art Calendar, but that's another thing. As director he had full run of the regular studios where there are people within shouting distance. He also had at least a dozen female grad students who would have been happy to "help adjust the lights" but he deliberately arranged for her to show up with nobody else even being in the building. So whatever happened, he deserved losing his job for that level of stupidity. And this is a guy who shot the cover of National Geographic several times early in his career. Sorry, I still get worked up over that.

Monica Lewinsky was born in 1973. She worked at the WH from 1995-1996. My math says she was 22-23. I'd always thought 19, but you're right, thanks.

I know. I've got too many friends riding in the same planes for the same reason.

I've got to disagree with a lot of what gets said about that. Michael Moore of course keeps saying that Clinton got a blow job, so what, Kennedy had sex with Marylin Monroe. Personally, I can see a difference between a successful man taking a successful wealthy woman within a few years of his age to a fancy resort and the two of them getting into bed and having sex, and on the other hand the Ultimate Boss of the United States having his 19 year old intern, who refers to him as The Creep, get on her knees behind the copy machine and put his dick in her mouth. Bob Church I don't get what the deal is with either, to be honest. No laws have been broken. Nowhere in the constitution does it say that the president has to be faithful. Consensual sexual acts between adults are non of the people's business, IMO. UNTIL that business starts to affect the ability of said person to do their job. Personally, I don't believe either are worth of impeachment. Re: the age difference - if someone is over 18 it's their choice to get with someone much older and they have to live with the consequences. That some people (myself included) are grossed out by the idea has absolutely nothing to do with the application of the law. Between Kennedy, who Michael Moore and many other apologists like to go on about and use as their primary defense of Clinton, Clinton and Trump I think Clinton's was the bad one, but I was still against impeachment. What bothered me with Clinton was where consent and force begin and end when it's a 19 year old intern and the President of the US and he decides if she keeps her job or not.

Always a way.

27 vs 60 years old is "within a few years of his age?" Wow. Both were gross. Both led to titanic lies. But to think that 33 years difference is just "a few years" . . . just wow. (Clinton was 27 years older than Lewinsky BTW) And I also see difference between an office affair and an affair that a politician paid $130,000 to hush up so that the American people would not know who they were voting for. JFK died when he was 47 so this post is bizarre even for you.

I've got to disagree with a lot of what gets said about that. Michael Moore of course keeps saying that Clinton got a blow job, so what, Kennedy had sex with Marylin Monroe. Personally, I can see a difference between a successful man taking a successful wealthy woman within a few years of his age to a fancy resort and the two of them getting into bed and having sex, and on the other hand the Ultimate Boss of the United States having his 19 year old intern, who refers to him as The Creep, get on her knees behind the copy machine and put his dick in her mouth. Bob Church

I wonder if he asked for Linda Ronstadt's autograph. You know, as long as he was there.