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The Outsiders. heh heh heh. . .just kidding

We'll be waiting for the results. _____________________________ "The trouble with quotes on the internet is that you can never know if they are genuine" - Abraham Lincoln

Best way to break a new love in: When you need to let one loose, start a tickle fight. When she is all giggly, honk like a flock of canadian geese. She's laughing already; she can only laugh more. Worked all time for me!! _____________________________ "The trouble with quotes on the internet is that you can never know if they are genuine" - Abraham Lincoln

See you guys there!! _____________________________ "The trouble with quotes on the internet is that you can never know if they are genuine" - Abraham Lincoln

Bigfoot, Is that you??? _____________________________ "The trouble with quotes on the internet is that you can never know if they are genuine" - Abraham Lincoln

[covers ears]LAAA LAAA LLAAA LAAAA [/covers ears] Just kidding I believe in a 1400 foot building coming down with explosives. and Dammit, my petition to repeal that Physics law is still being passed around Those links are what I have been looking at for a while. They have all been debunked here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/9/11_conspiracy_theories I can't do more to convince. It's all belief from here on out. Peace. . . _____________________________ "The trouble with quotes on the internet is that you can never know if they are genuine" - Abraham Lincoln

Man, I'm just stumbling all over myself, aint I Man, It sure warms my heart someone believes in me _____________________________ "The trouble with quotes on the internet is that you can never know if they are genuine" - Abraham Lincoln

the buildings weren't at any freefall speed. Maybe it's a trick of the camera angle that gave the illusion. debris falling straight down was falling faster than the collapsing buildings. Also, as far as videos are concerned, you can see only some of the collapse. The rest is covered up by dust cloud. for all we know, the buildings collased 1/3 to 1/2 way in the first few seconds, then took about an hour to collaspe all the way. The smoke was there for a long time. _____________________________ "The trouble with quotes on the internet is that you can never know if they are genuine" - Abraham Lincoln

How is explosives tactically placed going to make the wtc fall any faster than a natural core collapse? If the Gov't uses explosives to bring down a huge building like that, I would also think that we would use some sort of det cord type of cutters instead of some obvious huge sticks of dynamite demo crews use that cannot be hidden without some heavy revitalization in key areas. It would draw too much attention. Cutters don't produce that much blast but the heat can cut through very thick steel. It definitely wouldn't produce huge clouds of debris exiting windows. But all in all, the biggest debunking comes from the huge amount of work and personnel required to to do such a task. You cannot cover up anything that big. It's against human nature. It is impossible to find that many people willing to possibly kill 50,000 people. When it comes to doing classified operations procedures or instructions, Accidental dissimination of classified information is always weighed. also, Something like this probably would require a Top-Secret clearance. this would require a Huge need to know through out various talents and agencies. Not many people have this clearance. And this clearance is not a guarantee that people won't talk. Where are the whistle blowers? Only people yawling are the conspiracy theorists. Why are conspiracy theorist finding the "Truth" not disappearing; or not afraid to expose the truth? Also, this happened before the huge restructuring of the Homeland Security thingie. Various Gov't organizations working together in this magnitude. . .Well its the Gov't. That's a hell of a lot of faith in as system for the average conspiracy theorist. _____________________________ "The trouble with quotes on the internet is that you can never know if they are genuine" - Abraham Lincoln

for a fire, you need three things: oxygen, heat, and some sort of fuel. A collapsing building I would imagine has enough power to compress the air enough to provide the heat and office furniture, or more likely impurities in the air like dust to provide the fuel. So you got one huge Diesel cylinder. Probably a bit extreme. Or, individual parts of the 150+ tons of burning plane that weight tens of tons, like landing gear, large sections of burning fuselage and wing fall through several floors because builders seldom calculate the fact that some people like the rare 7 ton executive desk. It is burning several floor below and when the collapse gives positive air pressure, feeding the fire more, it also pushes the flames out the shattered windows. Or the vibration of the collapsing causes the windows to break, and the air rushes in to feed a starving fire and flame rushes out greedily to the open air(called backdraft by moviegoers). I'm no engineer. all this is pure speculation but It seems more plausable to me. Ironically, it mirrors the same style of specuation (armchair engineering) that fuels conspiracy theory authors. _____________________________ "The trouble with quotes on the internet is that you can never know if they are genuine" - Abraham Lincoln

Man, if it was legal to market a hand-held jammer. After all, how much of somebody's elses life should one experience? _____________________________ "The trouble with quotes on the internet is that you can never know if they are genuine" - Abraham Lincoln

I'll try to use some real world experience to help here. It may not be the best, but I'll try. From what I understand is that the central core of the WTC is made of a series of steel vertical beams The aircraft(s) were burning within the buildings for a while before the collapse. . . I've been on three ships in my ten years in the navy and I have experienced a couple of fires on them. Frigates, cruisers and destroyers utilize gas turbines as a main propulsion therefore requiring an abundance of F76. A fuel not much different from Jet A. There's also JP5 on board, another type of AVgas. I've experienced a few Main Space fires. These ships are made of a much thicker steel and aluminum than aircraft and I tell you it's an understatement when I say metal is a good conductor of heat. No Wood-Structure will ever compete. When you have a good space fire your "secondary boundaries"(spaces adjacent to the primary boundaries, which is on the outside of the fire now hot enought to warp and melt 1/4 inch steel) bulkhead's paint is peeling off and starting to get black. Your insulation may already be on fire out here and the fire is two spaces away. All this while applying a steady stream of water on the bulkheads to keep it cool. You cant be here too long because of the resulting steam is hotter than a pressure cooker. Back to the towers. . .All these vertical beams are being heated up by a superhot fire of aluminum and aviation gas. In a few minutes, even the foot of the beams below the basement are hot enough to evaporate water. The beams lose their structural ability and they start to buckle. The resulting collapse and weight of the building causes a lot of compressed air that the walls can't hold back. There's going to be explosions. _____________________________ "The trouble with quotes on the internet is that you can never know if they are genuine" - Abraham Lincoln

Actually, I wasn't equating residence with knowledge. I was wondering what's wrong with being a sheep. Sheepdom isn't so bad. It's where everyone has to start at before they move up. Everyone has to shut up, sit back and observe in the beginning. It's how it works. Try keeping a job by calling your bosses a bunch of blowhard no-common-sense-having idiots. Sooner or later, you move up, unless your personal devices prevent you, and you become the shepherd. You institute change. You worked for it , it's yours. You can't become a shepherd in an apartment protecting all from evil of the Man. Only Nancy Drew and superman can. But the CIA told him to go away. I guess the bullet point of this discussion is: Sheepdom may be a transistion stage in many lives. also, most Small Business Owners live in the same neighborhood. They are far from Sheep. _____________________________ "The trouble with quotes on the internet is that you can never know if they are genuine" - Abraham Lincoln

on this point in particular I have to agree with avenfoto. Some conspiracy theorists are highly intelligent. I made the mistake of blanketing all conspiracy theorists under one assumption. I have to agree with you. Some are quite intelligent. My bad. In my opinion, anyone using the Man, Evil corporations, ect. . .missed a huge point sometime in their life and don't realize that The Man is really comprised of many people who have their own lives to worry about than one particular person. I've come to believe that conspiracy theories are a form of fantasy. Science fiction, Fantasy, Conspiracy. All provide a strong Want. Except Conspiracy provides a negative entertainment. _____________________________ "The trouble with quotes on the internet is that you can never know if they are genuine" - Abraham Lincoln

I like the candy hearts too. "I like the way you-"continued on next heart _____________________________ "The trouble with quotes on the internet is that you can never know if they are genuine" - Abraham Lincoln

There might be enough drama. . .barely, but enough. What would have to happen is during filming, have an Employee day at a given dropzone. No funjumpers. That's where the drama is. We fun jumpers are boring Not picking on the pro skydivers; after all, no workplace is exempt from drama. _____________________________ "The trouble with quotes on the internet is that you can never know if they are genuine" - Abraham Lincoln

Maybe I'm missing something here, but looking at what type of people they call "sheep", I have to say I'm envious. They tend to describe sheep as having a house in the suburbs and have 9 to 5 jobs and do picnics on the weekends with their families. You know, Sheepish stuff. Most places, you need at least a major degree; sometimes a graduate degree and nearly a six figure salary for that. Takes a hell of alot of work to acheive. A lot more than sitting in front of a tv in a rental apartment watching a Micheal Moore documentary. I think it's an innate fear that they are the actual sheep. Some people use their internal fears and perceived worst-derogatory-phrase-ever as an attack not realizing the words or statements are relative to personal experience and may be useless to anyone else. The average Conspiracy Buff tend to have a below average intelligence and rarely have any higher form of education(with exception of the paraniod. No amount of education can provide a perfect barrier). Standard fallacies we take for granted are beyond their knowledge. Yes I hate them. They are hard to work with and the Navy seems to attract them. *(I swear; If anybody asks me about The Philadelphia Experiment or The Bermuda Triangle again. . . ) _____________________________ "The trouble with quotes on the internet is that you can never know if they are genuine" - Abraham Lincoln

Opsec is used in all military and a lot of civilian areas. It's a term referencing rules, regulations, security requirements, ect . . .about the classification and disbursement of classified information regarding National Security. It's not a "cool" word. _____________________________ "The trouble with quotes on the internet is that you can never know if they are genuine" - Abraham Lincoln

find some small time investors and set up a few limited partnerships, open up a "Rent Ur Rims and Furniture store(helps to sell your soul). Advertise that 22" rims look good on Ford Pintos. What have you been up to Dan? _____________________________ "The trouble with quotes on the internet is that you can never know if they are genuine" - Abraham Lincoln

My general rule of thumb is I only tip where payment happensafter the service or product has been used, i.e. cab rides, restraunts. I never preemptively tip: tip jars for Starbucks, pickup windows ect. ect. This is where i think tipping has gone out of hand. _____________________________ "The trouble with quotes on the internet is that you can never know if they are genuine" - Abraham Lincoln

My X-rated vision seems do nothing but to taunt me. _____________________________ "The trouble with quotes on the internet is that you can never know if they are genuine" - Abraham Lincoln

AH HA!!!. It's a Stereogram. If you stare at the poster hard enough you will se a 3D representation of the poster-maker's issues that does not have anything to do with the [bono]Starving Chil'duns[/bono]. My Girlfriend says she sees a lack of an Economics Class _____________________________ "The trouble with quotes on the internet is that you can never know if they are genuine" - Abraham Lincoln

Even though they haven't fielded a Presidental candidate since 1964, they still are a legitimate political party in the U.S. It isn't too hard to do research on them. It sucks that political parties like them exist (there are at least two other nazi/KKK type parties out there), but they do. It sucks there are people out there like that _____________________________ "The trouble with quotes on the internet is that you can never know if they are genuine" - Abraham Lincoln

Man, the memories. Zoltar was the character that forever made me suspicious and uncomfortable with transvestites. A little trivia. . .What's the story behind Keyop's speech impediment? _____________________________ "The trouble with quotes on the internet is that you can never know if they are genuine" - Abraham Lincoln

Pollie? _____________________________ "The trouble with quotes on the internet is that you can never know if they are genuine" - Abraham Lincoln