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It's not uncommon for a jumper with a vector setup to experience the stop after pulling. I don't see a problem with it. When no reserves comes out you're screwed. The stop doesn't change a thing about that. (What are gonna do in situations where you've pulled silver and no reserve comes out, in other words what's the difference in your next dission?) The HISTORY pages you refered to earlier is not appliable IMHO, simply our current gear is radicaly different that what people jumped in 1970's. (Every heard of a cone lock latly?) Furthermore... vector is the most used rig worldwide, I've NEVER heard of the stop causing a problem. The trouble with skydiving; If you stink at it and continue to jump, you'll die. If you're good at it and continue to jump, you'll see a lot of friends die...

I must confess I have only worked with the direct bag staticline. I prefer this system above anything else I have seen (and I did study alot of video's / pictures/ theorie of other systems) I only see 1 disadvantage of a properly setup direct bag system; When you screw up terrible with the staticline routing (go around mainlift webbing) you get a hang up which will never clear untill you cut. This is however highly unlikely, though I have seen it happen once. (Wasn't me ) The direct bag system is completly setup when boarding the plane, at which time stress level, for an instructor is lower than at student exit time. The only thing you have to attend to during student exit is staticline routing. (and the student of course.. ). Other systems in which the staticline activates a pilot chute is much more prone to student error; I've seen a number of video's of students grabbing and holding their PC's. With IAD, the number of things that can go wrong seems bigger to me, but I'm no expert (simply put more hassle, means more things can go wrong). A proper direct bag setup IMHO is a flexpin setup. The trouble with skydiving; If you stink at it and continue to jump, you'll die. If you're good at it and continue to jump, you'll see a lot of friends die...

We have the same problem, we fly both smaller cessna's as a C208B. Since we use the C208b for most of the jumps (left hand door), we exit the staticline right. But we do it at the bottom. (right side of the loop) This way, when we use the smallers cessna's we lessen the damage. Do watch the staticline line length though, we have direct bag with flex-pin and when the flexpin in pulled out of the loop, the staticline should still have a little slack between pin and flaps. The trouble with skydiving; If you stink at it and continue to jump, you'll die. If you're good at it and continue to jump, you'll see a lot of friends die...

you call this a landing area? The trouble with skydiving; If you stink at it and continue to jump, you'll die. If you're good at it and continue to jump, you'll see a lot of friends die...

He's jumping an Vector and the vector setup for RSL doesn't damage the reserve ripcord. So the kink you find in e.g. javelin reserve ripcords isn't on his. The RSL was still on the velcro ergo it didn't function. The trouble with skydiving; If you stink at it and continue to jump, you'll die. If you're good at it and continue to jump, you'll see a lot of friends die...

I thought you were gone? The trouble with skydiving; If you stink at it and continue to jump, you'll die. If you're good at it and continue to jump, you'll see a lot of friends die...

Staticline systems other then direct bag should be forbidden though IMHO. The trouble with skydiving; If you stink at it and continue to jump, you'll die. If you're good at it and continue to jump, you'll see a lot of friends die...

Wow, I feel honered by a reply on my post by Bill Booth himself. I think we both agree. Pull-out is a more complicated system to operate correctly. The KISS principle should apply here which means the throw away is the superior opening system. Then why do I personally use pull-out? It's for one reason mainly. THey only thing I am afraid of is a premature opening on the throw away. I'm a vidiot and instructor. And I sometimes combine those 2 in 1 jump. The instructor part of me has to move around the tight spave of a full grand caravan, after which I am next to an open door for sometime several minutes. Also being the vidiot I sometimes have to stand over a minute just in front of the tail waiting for the #%#%(*& tandem FINALLY comming out. In both situations I prefer the pull-out cause it's less likely that my main pilot slips out. I do acknoledge all the troubles associated with pull-out, from packing error to "solving" a flying dildo untill you meet mother earth or Mister Cypres. And by preparing myself for those situations I hope I'll handle correct. (Which so far means I had to hurt alot of packers... ) (If you don't know how to close my rig, ASK!) Also on a final note, I don't like the standard configuration on my Javelin Odessey for pull-out. The bridle is too long. I converted the bridle to a loop, connecting the pin, handle and pilot. Now the bridle is the shortest possible so I can throw my pilot away (vidiot wings) and I have a pully effect on my pin. PS And don't worry, my next rig will be a vector and I recommend vector to most of my students. I got this rig for free... The trouble with skydiving; If you stink at it and continue to jump, you'll die. If you're good at it and continue to jump, you'll see a lot of friends die...

Aren't you refering to a last-hope rope? The trouble with skydiving; If you stink at it and continue to jump, you'll die. If you're good at it and continue to jump, you'll see a lot of friends die...

Because no1 starts with pull-out. People tend to stick with what they have, which is a good thing for most people. Also I wouldn't recommend pull-out for any1 with less than let's say 200 jumps. It's more prone to packing errors and you have to know what you are jumping. But when operated correctly it can be a better alternative to trow-away (They are both Bottom Of Container), for a number of jumpers. I've seen alot of opinions, have yet to come across facts. When people that you look up to state their opinion, it doesn't become a fact. Also repeating other people's opinion is a dangerous thing, if you don't have the background to support their opinion. Now you are offending me, and personally you downgraded your entire discussion. Now you're contradicting yourself. You're accusing us of not being able to discuss like adults? The trouble with skydiving; If you stink at it and continue to jump, you'll die. If you're good at it and continue to jump, you'll see a lot of friends die...

I don't do rear riser landings so I can't comment on that. For flight itself, I love the trips. Bigger control range and feel alot more free. First jumps are scary, because you have the feeling falling out of your harnas, and you suddenly see your steerling line in front of you in some manouvers. (Fuck that isn;t supposed to be there!! Oh wait... it is... ). The trouble with skydiving; If you stink at it and continue to jump, you'll die. If you're good at it and continue to jump, you'll see a lot of friends die...

Well he has a point, and he didn't an attitude. He is probably anoyed at the same arguments that are being used over and over again, with people coping each other. I agree with the others that a pull-out isn't an out of sequence deployment. Why should the pilot be gone first? Like said before, what about students ripcords, pre-handdeyployed or reserves? And about trowing it out. I've never seen a trow-out been trown out of de burble. So you both release it in your burble. It is true however that I see a lot of too long pull-out bridles out there. Keep it short and your hand is near the pilot so you can trow it away. The trouble with skydiving; If you stink at it and continue to jump, you'll die. If you're good at it and continue to jump, you'll see a lot of friends die...

Lol... ok Yes off course, I wouldn't jump without a helmet cause I know I'll need it, a cypres though is highly unlickly... hehehehehe (none of the above should be taken seriious, as btw the whole US of A)... (and so it begun... ) The trouble with skydiving; If you stink at it and continue to jump, you'll die. If you're good at it and continue to jump, you'll see a lot of friends die...

I'm very curious about the loop length on this rig. I know mine in a bitch to close, but I've also seen pull-outs with "pack-friendly" "long" loops. Personally I think pull-out i.c.w. a "too long" loop is a controdictio in terminus The trouble with skydiving; If you stink at it and continue to jump, you'll die. If you're good at it and continue to jump, you'll see a lot of friends die...

Hey you sound interesting.... Fancy a date? LMAO The trouble with skydiving; If you stink at it and continue to jump, you'll die. If you're good at it and continue to jump, you'll see a lot of friends die...

I know, I know The trouble with skydiving; If you stink at it and continue to jump, you'll die. If you're good at it and continue to jump, you'll see a lot of friends die...

even that is not true.. I presumme I'm way to busy trying to fix it to even "notice" impact... The trouble with skydiving; If you stink at it and continue to jump, you'll die. If you're good at it and continue to jump, you'll see a lot of friends die...

I was warned during chemistry for this dangerous substance... My teacher even got some girls start an action group... Stupid sluts... The trouble with skydiving; If you stink at it and continue to jump, you'll die. If you're good at it and continue to jump, you'll see a lot of friends die...

Every jumper at my DZ is followed from opening to landing, especially when it's likely the land out and we have a car standing by, key's in it with phone, radio and first aid supplies. Ussually the car is driving before jumper or his material reaches the ground. Off course when I'm landing out, my own saferty comes first. Lying on the ground being another incident/ emergence doesn't help the situation. When I'm doing a Tandemvideo, my priority is with the passenger. They paid a lot of money. Also if I land out with tandemvideo there's another "and someone almost died" story out there. I do have an eye out off course for both person and material, but the car is probably on it's way anyway. (Excemption would be like a look hookturn in the field (cause every second might count) I always land next to people (students!) I don;t see standing up. I always chase materials if I spot them, priority for the freebag (if you got the freebag, you ussually can find the main easier than the other way around). When chasing the main (easier to spot) BE VERY CAREFULL OF THE FREEBAG it's around there chasing you ( Last year saw someon cutaway out of the corners of my eyes while I had line strech and after checks tried to spot the gear. Couldn't find the freebag so chased the main... Looking looking looking, (and looking aorund where the rest was going.. all the other way, ok), looking looking, ok it's gonna land there. Now where is that freebag? Looking forward "OH SHIT" and just passed it... ( 1000 feet) ) Last, when I'm jumping with e.g. a 4-way and doing video, they land out, then I also land out. (with them) The trouble with skydiving; If you stink at it and continue to jump, you'll die. If you're good at it and continue to jump, you'll see a lot of friends die...

I said disregard.. The trouble with skydiving; If you stink at it and continue to jump, you'll die. If you're good at it and continue to jump, you'll see a lot of friends die...

see my discussion with billvon The trouble with skydiving; If you stink at it and continue to jump, you'll die. If you're good at it and continue to jump, you'll see a lot of friends die...

off topic, but in Europe we have really good experience with the Techno from Parachute de France too. (they're mains sucks though... ) (disregard last comment) The trouble with skydiving; If you stink at it and continue to jump, you'll die. If you're good at it and continue to jump, you'll see a lot of friends die...

No I don't. But I'm jumping pull-out, so i would be kinda hard.. . I do always check the bridle routing though, I even corrected teampackers at Deland for wrong routing. (different types, also the famous total) The trouble with skydiving; If you stink at it and continue to jump, you'll die. If you're good at it and continue to jump, you'll see a lot of friends die...

Off course the guy who did it is a stupid F*K, but it's one of those stories skydivers tell each other and make most skydivers laugh... Added are the stories of the broken bones, Demo jumps in which you f*k up, have intense pain, but walk away smiling and waving to the crowd... "Oh that? ah.. no biggie" (to start crying when you're in the bus... ) If you jump long enough you'll gather your stories and f*k ups you witnessed and tell them and people will laugh... It's part of "the culture" The trouble with skydiving; If you stink at it and continue to jump, you'll die. If you're good at it and continue to jump, you'll see a lot of friends die...

We Had some fun with this... :) Someone over here "helped" another jumper by shortening his bungee (the jumper was complaining about it opening during hookies). He did an hop and pop... off course followed by a freebag search... The trouble with skydiving; If you stink at it and continue to jump, you'll die. If you're good at it and continue to jump, you'll see a lot of friends die...