Farflung

Throughout history, us humans have managed to lead with our chins, regarding technology. The miracle of the molecule produced thousands of fluoroscopes which were used to do to useful to things; to things which were utter balderdash, like check the fitting of shoes. Now we are restricted to less radiation from ten years of X-rays, compared to what were emitted during one shoe fitting. Today I read this little gem about DNA and a couple dead people: http://www.boston.com/metrodesk/2012/10/18/rapist-who-died-connected-dna-evidence-murder-woman-beacon-hill/RjonJV5m213UF9dkipsIII/story.html Imagine that, clearing some murder cases from 1973 with DNA extracted from a guy who has been dead for over 10 years. Truly another miracle of technology, serving man. Then I start thinking downstream. Where is the presumption of innocence? The due process? And other constitutionally based things that we pretend to care about? Is this yet another glaring example of our scotoma of duplicity, since it serves so many purposes? Who will complain? The ‘suspect’ is dead, so this will only serve as a huge relief to an undiscovered, but still living killer. The victim is dead, so there is no recourse there except maybe some family who can afford to have the evidence validated. I don’t know. Would this murder be ‘cleared’ sans a trial, or would there be a new version to one ‘in absentia’, called ‘ex vita abire’? So this brings me to the pure and well researched case of DB Cooper. Already there are multiple cries from self proclaimed experts, of DNA Contamination or it being a ‘girlfriend’s’ DNA (which is amusing since gender is a base marker, but OK). There’s no way to know that the DNA belongs to Cooper is another favored declaration from the logic pool. So who is to say that the victim in the article didn’t have hot, rough, consensual and very, very, very secret sex with the ‘suspect’? Just like all the guano which has been published as fact about Cooper, where one person knows things that no one else can possibly know. Or the other selfless crowd who claim to have twenty years or more experience in some arcane practice, yet never have the talent to quote the book, page and paragraph, which they claim such familiarity. It is a pretty weird way to present things, where you are so painfully knowledgeable, that finding a published answer is impossible. Damn, that’s some deep knowledge there, I mean deep. But this is the profile of those who are ‘Natural Born’ fillintheblanks, where I was born knowing how to cry and fill a diaper, and had to learn everything else from a humble and patient instructor. Sure would have been nice to have avoided all that ‘schooling’ and gone straight to SKYGOD like everyone else. Oh well. So now all the paths and threads which lead to DB Cooper, also lead to a dead end, if the suspect is dead, for reasons outlined above. As there appears to be no established process to follow if a guilty person is deceased. Even after the living are found guilty, in a court of law, by a unanimous vote, from a jury of their peers, they could still end up ‘innocent’ for eternity (Ken Lay, Budd Dwyer). If the guilty could become innocent, via death, THEN how can a dead person become guilty? Without a guilty party, how can a crime be removed from the books? So there seems to be a permanent, albeit unintentional corner, which many have managed to paint themselves and this case into. Yep, this is all about DB Cooper, just the way everyone likes it. I do realize how devastatingly distracting it is, having to read several paragraphs which didn’t contain the name Cooper, thus leaving the average person with a reading comprehension measured at or below the seventh grade, in some sort of intellectual limbo where all you could think was, ‘What does this have to do with Cooper?’ Always a great way to draw maximum consideration to your cognitive abilities. Yes. So what’s the moral answer to a case where DNA identifies or clears some old murder case? Never had DNA before, just like X-rays, and we may be using the DNA like fluoroscopes in a shoe store. I dunno, time for a stiff one.

Well here’s another solution looking for a problem to solve. This has something for everyone, for the investor it’s a sure ‘short position’ and a definite purchase by those retired military types who think $900 hammers and $1600 toilet seats are bargains. And compared to the likely price of this thing, it would be a bargain too. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Uno_(dicycle) Yep, you know it had to come from Canada. Why use the functional, rotational mass built into every motorcycle, when you can remove the inherent stability then return it by adding a couple gyros? Like I said, this has DOD purchase written all over its total lack of usability. Look out! There’s a little bunny, instinctively hit the brakes, and you will be rewarded with an asphalt faceplant or becoming street pizza. In this video you can see the gyro pack: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BpYwgvLQRlM How many people were involved in the prototyping of this thing? Were they all mute? Talk about the Kings Clothing Fable incarnate. Hey Dave, you do realize how stupid this thing is right? Clearly, Dave does not have a single friend. Here’s a video of the DIE, DIE! You Yankee Pig-cycle in action: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x2DgwY5QQBk The good thing about A123 filing bankruptcy is the impediment it will serve in regard to the development of this type of vapor. But the gyro pack may be chest mountable for an astronaut to use as part of his bail out system to establish a stable descent in near space. Gawd, I hope this doesn’t detract too much from whatever. Oh yeah, Cooper. There Cooper is now mentioned, twice.

‘Bombs Away’ LeMay gave, ‘Disdain’ Duane his moniker. No better Left Seat since Bud Holland or any other braggart with 21 and a half years. Because you measure input in the government, output be damned. Gawd damn Duane was a natural on the Christmas Tree. He would smoke a pipe while wiring starter cartridges, because he knew they wouldn’t ignite out of fear. Fawk could that guy weave himself into every conversation we had. Like how convincing some ‘Ladyboy’ was outside U-Tapao, when all along it was Duane playing a joke on everyone. Oh boy, how we all would laugh at that, well except the Bulldog, because he spent three months wages on Duane’s; or should I say ‘Diane’s’, engagement ring? Good times.

Ahhhh---ooooooooo----GAHHHHHHHHHHHHHH BZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZT BZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZT Sky King, Sky King, Do NOT Answer….. Delta….. Uniform….. Alpha…..November….. Echo….. I say again…… Delta……Uniform…….Alpha….. November….. Echo…….. This is not a drill, this is not a drill……. BZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZT BZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZTTTT!!!!!! Launch codes verified? What? Launch codes verified! Oh, yeah, I’m FIGMO ya know. Got 21 and a half, so it doesn’t matter. I got your launch verification pal, I got it…….. right here!

Stop teasing with low hanging fruit! We aren’t all Bozo’s who say one thing and do another! Please stop flaunting your knowledge of Duane, like some sort of Cooper related item, which appears to be the land of plenty; but like some retiree’s story about his military career, is nothing but a linguistic ‘La Brea Tar Pit’, which captures and vanquishes all from the mighty Woolley Mammoth to the ceaselessly boring lifer who insists on telling you stories about his career, till you jump into the tar pit as a sweet escape. Please tell more about Duane, I beg.

Commercial on QVC AND Lifetime…… have time, must be quick, no Felix, not TOG….. Duane was all things to aviation corrosion control and much more qualified than some slug retiree from the service. This is all so awesome to read and digest and ummm… I’m starting to need chocolate milk.. has anyone been in Duane for 21 and one half years?…. Tired…. Too much talk about…. un-stoopid… me need sleepy pee pee…. It was Duane…. Everything else not to be discussed…. Just Coo coo key choo… Duane was a super secret paratrooper, invented airplane paint, you don’t even know. Please, more Duane…. I hunger and thirst for more Duane… no… NO… not any TOG… just Duane, have mercy, stay on topic as I command.

Thanks 377, Wow, I haven’t felt this good since my proctologist said ‘All done.’ Duane was an amazing person in that he served honorably in two branches of the service, rather that the loser one service I was associated with. Much smarter to ‘stick it’ to the man rather than working at a Quickie Mart, selling Cheesy Poofs, and Bladder Busters to the self important gubberment retirees who would clack into the store, with their cloven hooves and bore me with their ‘I was in the service for twenty years’ stories, which had me browsing the homo-erotic magazines as a form of relief. But they seem to think they are as interesting as Duane. Well we all know better, because no matter what you did, Duane did more. No matter how illustrious your service record, Duane’s is more impressive. No matter where you worked, Duane worked more and at more places and had family that did the same. You think you know history? Well Duane IS history. He is….. the most interesting entity, in the universe, and beyond.

Georger, I don’t see where space suits have any applicability to skydiving either, but Kittinger and Felix most certainly proved how flesh and blood they were, by wearing the things. It is the ‘Sky God’ element that feels the need to defy physics every half century, and claim a Pyrrhic victory. Approaching the 37 thousandth comment, and already people (OK person) are saturated by any mention of Felix on the vaunted DBC thread after four days. This after MONTHS and MONTHS, of endless drivel about ‘TOG’, which never had anything to do with: Cooper, Jumping, Aviation or Reality. Amazing! The GASP is a three axis system, and as you pointed out, the force of gravity at 130,000 feet, is almost the same as sea level. So….. why not use that as the ‘Free Space’ on the stabilization Bingo Card and have an X/Y stabilized device which uses gravity as a default Z? Thus eliminating the ‘man in the loop’ joystick on the GASP, to control attitude? No different than the ‘pressure suit’ (Space Suit for the skydivers) offering a momentary and systemic, artificial environment, just like maintaining stability. I truly don’t see the deviation from an ethos which allows 180,000 cubic feet of helium, and a forty acre envelope, to deliver the ‘jumper’ to altitude. It’s all for not, as any allegory, simile or associated research which demonstrates the process of R&D is to be identified as: witchcraft in less than 96 hours. Same as the flow of information on Cooper’s tie clip, flight path and seat selection have suffered at the hands of those who declare what is (TOG) and isn’t (Felix, tie clips, seats, flight paths) worthy of intelligent, independent and collaborative discussion. Please, can’t we all just talk about Duane?

It turns out that a stabilization device was prototyped around the time of Kittinger’s jump. It was a three-axis unit called the GASP (Gyro Augmented Stabilization Pack) and is surprisingly small. Attached is a PDF file from the gubberment, with all kinds of declassification stamps to give bonerz to some, and it was published at Wright-Patterson AFB, where the Roswell Alien bodies and UFOs are stored, so the conspiracy psychos will have something to make them happy too. http://www.dtic.mil/dtic/tr/fulltext/u2/295627.pdf It seems like this would have been a nice R&D device to have gone up in the Zenith with Felix. All the bombast and bluster this thread can create (and it creates mammoth amounts), won’t change the laws of physics, no matter how many times one makes claims to the contrary. In near space, you could send a contortionist, with eleven foot arms and legs, in a precise spread eagle configuration, and would accomplish nothing more than a bowling ball or sack of kitty litter could in regard to stabilization. But don’t let that detract from any barstool rebuttals; no. I thought such a device could be spun up with some on-board gas with an inertial decay rate that is aligned with the increase of air density where it peters out at an altitude where there are hundreds of thousands of data points for control. Instead of Kittinger, Felix and some U-2 and SR-71 crewmembers who represent all the ‘jumps’ above the Armstrong Altitude. I’ve gone the extra mile, once again and updated the name: Freefall Ancillary Recovery Force. I feel this name better reflects things that are both manly and desirable, which will still allow some (code for: chicks) to GASP. You’re welcome.

Because I care too much, I have generously researched the landing zone where Felix the skydiver, the wonderful, wonderful skydiver; touched down. After lifting off from the Roswell Intergalactic Airport and Global Freak Welcome Center, which has an elevation of 3671 feet, he landed at a spot which appears to be within 4440 to 4460 feet. That’s about 779 feet higher than where he launched. I know this will be appreciated by many on this thread because it is about accuracy, validation, cross checking, source attribution and open source reviews which are utter unknowns on this thread, so I don’t know where I was going with that. Sorry, my bad.

RobertMBlevins says without consideration of attribution or senior citizens: “I was quoting Kittinger from the post-jump press conference.” Oh really, cuz I don’t see any attribution or credit given to those brilliant and humble words, from Mr. Kittinger. I suppose Kittinger should have his words plagiarized and tossed around with reckless abandon, since he doesn’t matter as an 84 year old man. Apparently Kittinger is now to be submitted to the abuse which RobertMBlevins so generously served to Bernie (86 year old man). Wasn’t the fact that he spent almost a year in the ‘Hanoi Hilton’ enough punishment for any man to endure for a lifetime? Why must you steal his thoughts RobertMBlevins? Will the disrespect and abuse of senior citizens ever be abated? It would be polite and show manners to respect these twilight year men by not calling them liars, or viciously stealing their very words. Why does the world have to be so un-polite and manner-less? When I read that un-attributed comment, stolen from Kittinger; I’d never wished more that there was a god in heaven, but I was never more certain that there wasn’t.

RobertMBlevins declares: ” His 128,000 foot jump record will probably last for....EVER.” Before issuing a ‘revision’ with: “Records are made to be broken” I thought that was….. ummm…. hold on I got a ‘Tweet’….. yeah, that’s great…. Brb… so as I was saying my new I-phone has made me more efficient…. Hold on a sec….. got a text…. LOL ASIB SSDD SSIA…. Umm I like chocolate milk…. Me….. I’m hot… bigger, faster, better than yours…. I un-suck.. so yeah, there.

You beat me to the ‘Gyro’ solution 377. Just more evidence of how similar problems, approached from different locations, by different people, can result in similar solutions. Assuming there isn’t any undue bias from Sasquatches, Roswell Aliens or Elvis sightings. As far as the ballerinas, cut me and I bleed red, white and blue; so Americans First! Unless some Russian ballerina has a smoking bod, then it’s straight to INS for her, because in every drop dead beautiful Russian woman is an American, trying to gain employment at the Farflung Flight Academy.

Robert99, The capsule Felix jumped from represented the best horizon reference and fixed platform to establish a controlled rotation, thus it appeared to be designed to step off- versus- setting an axis of rotation. A couple of gyros could have been integrated into the jump, but I prefer simple before complex solutions. Another technique could have been designed into the exterior platform, where the floor begins a rotation while dropping away like the door on a gallows. That may be too surreal of a design considering some of the potential results. I was trained to use the ‘tuck’ (cannonball) position when bailing out. No pirouettes, gainers or face down, frog modified postures, just a tuck. I’m willing to bet, if I fell out of a plane, I would go into a ‘tuck’ position. This was considered the simplest and safest technique to train aircrew, and it comforted us since we could also use that position to kiss our ass goodbye. So everybody wins. Since Kittinger used the step off technique, which resulted in a spin, it only makes sense that when Felix stepped off, the result would be a spin. You are still in a near vacuum where aerodynamic forces are minimal. Just like the Apollo 15 experiment where a hammer and feather were dropped and hit the surface of the Moon at the same moment. I realize there are legions of people who believe he should have used a duck’s feather instead of one from a falcon to alter the results. If I had to choose a devil, I would choose the smallest one. I’m assuming (assuming here) that a controlled spin around the ‘Z’ axis of the human body would deliver the lowest risk, while approaching heavier air where body control can be used to establish a stable (non rotating) descent posture. Those women diving off thirty foot high platforms achieve stable postures with very limited benefit of drag forces versus inertial energies. But how radical can one be with something so rare and expensive? The goal was to break some records and the ‘Red Bull’ team certainly did that with great results, no one was hurt. Of course that won’t impede my quest for ‘Continuous Improvement’, be it aviation or finding a way to hang out with ballerinas under the guise of helping all mankind.

Georger says all science-y: “Any spin at that alititude would produce some drag vs the vertical gravitational component. Gravity at 128k is virtually the same as on the surface of the earth - not weightless space where forces can be rather quickly balanced if need be.” Exactly. So I figured that some ‘benchmarking’ of other industries and sciences was in order. What other activity requires precise control of induced forces which counteract one another with an extremely high reliability? First I figured a student should spend hours and hours in a Barany chair, for reasons I have not managed to define as of yet. But if I was forced to be humiliated in one of those things, while a fetching Flight Nurse looked on, then so will everyone else. I’m consistent like that. This would progress to the study of ballet, where the creation of an instant and stable spin is required in order to maintain poise and balance upon return to the surface. These diaphanous women manage to complete several revolutions using nothing more than their sculpted, feminine and hypnotic legs, while elevating themselves on the tips of their toes. This would make for a logical primary training in body stabilization in a small time frame. Plus, have you seen the legs on those ballerinas? I could think of worse things to getting washed-back on that phase of training. Next is a group of people who don’t have the luxury of tens of thousands of feet, to get their act together before a bone crushing return to Earth. Not only do they have to stabilize in a scant few seconds, they do it with virtually no equipment, unlike the safety apparel laden skydiver. Of course I’m referring to divers who stand at the nape of a death altitude, then with the utmost precision and repeatability, jump, spin, stabilize and break the surface of the water with barely a ripple. They do this, all the while looking scorching hot while they wait or towel off or give their teammates long congratulatory hugs. This is obviously the next level of study if the science of aviation is to expect any advances in the next century. Again, because I care too much, I’ve decided to establish a center for the training of spin stabilized jumping, in a near vacuum, so the person to break the ‘Red Bull’ record won’t have to worry about grey-outs or uncontrolled descents. This combination of space flight dynamics with arcane ‘Air Breather’ techniques is what will propel the next jump to 250,000 feet, or as the units will be renamed once one of my graduates shatters this record; 250,000 farfs. Yes.

That jump from the stratosphere yesterday reminded me of some rarefied experiments from my youth which must remain undisclosed due to several non-disclosure agreements and restraining orders. It was when I transferred from aircraft to space vehicles. Woo-hoo! No drag in the vacuum of space, so this should be a breeze where a pineapple is as aerodynamic as an SR-71. Not so fast Grasshopper, because you have traded concerns about drag and range for impossibly light weight budgets and obscene reliability testing. Man, does everything have to suck? I’m working with a team on some type of future space junk that was in a low orbit and needed to be stabilized, just like a skydiver. But wings and rudders won’t do Jack Squat in space since there is no atmosphere. So one of the friendless geeks (Code for: wicked smart dudes) designs a spring (world’s simplest tool) which launches the vehicle out of the container with a bit of asymmetric thrust, which allows for spin stabilization with high reliability (just a spring) and a low weight budget. I’m sure everyone recalls Newton’s first law, so I won’t bore anyone, but that vehicle was able to sustain a stabilized (rotational axis perpendicular to Earth) orbit with one input at launch. I know, exciting! Then Felix is standing on his capsule’s front porch in near space and steps into a virtual vacuum where stabilization is a concern. So here’s what I thought after opening a third beer. Why not leverage Newton’s law while maintaining your ‘Z’ axis via gravity, with a ‘step off’ that induces an intentional rotation around that axis from the platform? Greyout would be less of a risk in relation to a flat spin or tumble and upon sensing the effects of drag, entering a denser altitude, the skydiver would use traditional stabilization (non rotational) techniques for the balance of the journey. After all, wasn’t he in a space suit? Hellooooooo, you must have come from space. I mean the Space Shuttle enters the atmosphere in an inverted attitude just before the tracking beam from Area 51 activates the cloaking device where it touches down in a Los Angeles shopping mall. http://www.shopfloor.org/2012/10/toyota-tundra-pulls-the-space-shuttle-endeavor/26532 Nothing warms my heart more than the chant of USA! USA! USA! While the finest of America’s technology is towed by a Tundra.

Couldn’t agree more smokin99; having some caffeine and taurine (read: speed) laced soft drink, pimp slap NASA is astonishing. Being able to watch an aerospace record being broken, live, in my boxer shorts, only adds to the irony of how far the pendulum must swing in the other direction. Like twitter, Lisa Nowak and the DBC thread.

Mr. Science, I’m hopelessly lost when it comes to calculating speeds and women. Could you teach me how to be faster with both? Sincerely, Un-functionally Literate. Of course Mr. Science can help you Un-func. But something tells Mr. Science that you have underestimated exactly how much help you would need with women, and Mr. Science can’t change time, physics or someone who showers with, drinks and excretes ‘girl repellant’ out of every syllable uttered. But Mr. Science can help you with things like calculating speeds. You may use km/h or mph depending on the model of Segway you ride. Since Mr. Science is a heterosexual, he must convert speed measurements to MPH. I’ll begin by reading the ‘Red Bull’ site which is predominantly in English. There is a reference to 1.24 mach at roughly 1,342.8 km/h which converts to a chick magnety 832.5 MPH (Manly Perfect He-man). Anyone could convert these values with access to the internet and any free time, which some struggle with because they can’t chew gum, watch TV and get things right the first time. Mr. Science can parallel process many things and keep those skills honed, which others can only bitch and complain about. Mr. Science understands their envy. Now that the speed is known in MPH, one could ‘back in’ the values from a table of altitudes. Mr. Science found one that goes to 60,000 feet which lists the speed of sound at 659.8 MPH. Oh nooooooooo! Mr. Science made a mistake because that speed doesn’t match…. Psych… Mr. Science is simply amusing himself with others ignorance and inadequacies, which manifest in puffing as a form of failed overcompensation. For the 659.8 must be multiplied by the mach value, which results in 818 miles per hour for 1.24 mach at 60,000 feet. That’s a solution which is within 2% of the ‘Red Bull’ numbers, and close enough for ‘private sector’ work. Mr. Science has been more than happy to explain in detail, something which more than likely makes little sense to the ‘Twitter’ generation, who have clearly mastered technology, rather than be its bitch. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=putQn89TQzc Remember, whenever you need an honest, humble and accurate answer, you can always; Ask Mr. Science!

Here’s a bonus math problem for those that believe Flight 305 could have been off course for some unknown number of miles, but can’t figure any potential limits. It’s a brain teaser that could be used with great pedantic effect at work tomorrow, cuz chicks dig, guys who dig maths. There was a series of goals which were on the ‘Red Bull Stratos’ list of things to accomplish: 1. Set a new altitude record for skydiving. 2. Achieve mach-plus in a freefall. 3. Break the freefall time record. What we have here is the old equation about Good, Fast and Cheap….. pick two. You can’t have all three….. or do we? So do the lines cross where achieving mach (going way fast) would eliminate the ability to break the longest freefall (which favors going wicked slower)? Were they ever separate and equally achievable goals from FL1200 (I made up the FL as they only go to three digits) to BFE, New Mexico (KROW Field Elevation 3,671)? It’s so science-y!

RobertMBlevins asks: ” Saw a prelim data report: says Felix reached Mach 1.24, or approximately 944 miles an hour. Can this really be possible?” NO! For a person to achieve a speed of 1.24 mach where it equated to 944 mph, they would have to be at ‘sea level’. An unlikely altitude for any skydiver. Here’s a cheat sheet: http://www.fighter-planes.com/jetmach1.htm If the prelim report carries those calculations, then it was crafted by a car salesman or someone who watched too much TV. It was a rare and refreshing moment to hear Felix explain that he didn’t feel nutin when he broke the sound barrier. Most are conditioned to hear how he penetrated some gaseous and foggy shockwave, just before creating something that blowed up real good. But they usually lose interest in favor of another Bud Light then ponder what happened to the UFOs in Roswell.

In order to facilitate a more thorough discussion of DB Cooper, I have generously crafted a database of Bigfoot organizations, which will prove invaluable in regard to pushing people or theories since they too have a vast experience base with using…. nothing. You’re welcome. 1. Bigfoot Researcher’s Organization http://www.bfro.net/ 2. Bigfoot Encounters http://www.bigfootencounters.com/ 3. Oregon Bigfoot http://www.oregonbigfoot.com/ 4. Texas Bigfoot Research Conservancy http://texasbigfoot.com/ 5. Bigfoot One http://www.bigfootone.com/ 6. The Un-museum (note: They don’t hire stupid people) http://www.unmuseum.org/bigfoot.htm 7. The Bigfoot Forums http://bigfootforums.com/ 8. The Bigfoot facebook http://www.facebook.com/FindBigfoot 9. Kentucky Bigfoot http://www.kentuckybigfoot.com/ 10. Cryptomundo http://www.cryptomundo.com/ 11. Pennsylvania Bigfoot Society http://www.pabigfootsociety.com/ 12. The Bigfoot Recordings http://www.bigfootsounds.com/ 13. The Gulf Coast Bigfoot Research Organization http://www.gcbro.com/ 14. Virginia Bigfoot Research Organization http://www.virginiabigfootresearch.org/ 15. SasqWATCH http://www.sasqwatchwatch.com/ 16. SYLVANIC http://www.sylvanic.com/ 17. Bigfoot Tracker (like ‘Adrenaline Hunter’ without the glitter and shame) http://www.bigfoottracker.com/ 18. Bigfoot Country http://bigfootcountry.net/ 19. Darwin’s Bigfoot http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/08/27/randy-lee-tenley-killed-bigfoot-sighting_n_1835127.html There you have it, proof that Bigfoot exists. What reason would these people have to lie (excluding delusional psychosis)? The very fact that there are nineteen different organizations, serves as inherent proof that the animal has been part of an FBI sponsored cover-up, which has grown to proportions which simply can’t be ignored. For the answer must be revealed to ‘the public’, and be disclosed for all to see, once and for all. I will not live forever and may not have the strength to selflessly and bravely carry on my quest, seeking the truth, and getting pissy with anyone who doesn’t violently agree with the ‘truth’, as I have stated many times in the past, and in the future which you aren’t aware of yet, as I have not allowed you to experience that time frame. Now I must feed and rest.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7csGhMQoQms

Robert99 succinctly observes: “….apply your own non-existent investigative skills to this matter.” After I read Mrshutter45’s post, I did a search on ‘Claudian’ since it was an unusual name and went directly to Ckret’s comment. Then I noticed that skyjack71 was the next respondent and groaned at the temerity to admonish others to ‘read the thread’ while expecting some level of credibility, associated with decoding a pair of military serial numbers which confess to Duane being DB Cooper. Stunned disbelief probably best describes the sensation I felt while reading some of the most elaborate garbage mathematics, leaps of logic and deeply buried critical thinking, while a pair of government assigned and created, serial numbers hold a secret clue to DB Cooper’s identity. One must divide by seven, then take the square root of the fourth digit and multiply by the nearest prime integer, unless it is a ‘flipper’! You must NOT forget the flipper in the code. Why aren’t you listening and using the flipper as I pointed out earlier? You have to use a flipper, don’t forget the flipper, the flipper, flipper……. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=akyJYeBVbuM

RobertMBlevins comments without the use of data or thinking one (1) step downstream about his review with: “1) Weber may have claimed on his deathbed that he was Dan Cooper, but there are no other witnesses to that alleged statement.” And that’s exactly one witness more than RobertMBlevins had regarding Dan Cooper comics, Captain Scott talking to Cooper and Bernie breaking into a home and stealing a logbook. RobertMBlevins ignores an oft repeated and genuine piece of evidence with: “2) Weber cannot be linked to any verifiable parachute experience. And no one in a sane state of mind would attempt leaping out the back of a moving 727 without at least some prior experience.” For the ‘Nth’ time, MARTIN MCNALLY JUMPED FROM A 727 WITHOUT ANY EXPERIENCE. He hijacked the most planes, had the most money and NO experience. Never had even touched a parachute before, but please, keep ignoring this evidence and history in your battle of wills. RobertMBlevins obliquely infers: “3) None of the stews or witnesses have even HINTED that Weber could be the hijacker from pictures.” Gee is this some, oh gosh, you know, umm…, have I mentioned this before, a Stewardess said Kenny was the closest she had seen before, but Tina and Alice didn’t say squat, but I just left that out of my question, because I’m passive aggressive like that, and then form a leading statement, even though I deny any such activity statement? Yes. He then continues like a runaway freight train with: “4) The physical evidence, if any, is lost or otherwise unaccounted for.” Like his fingerprints and DNA? RobertMBlevins adds a non-sequitur to a non-sequitur with: “5) The witness who said handwriting in a Cooper book was Weber's has retracted her story, or refuses to confirm.” And if the handwriting in the Cooper book is Duane’s that would prove that he read a book on Cooper after the event, thus damning him to have done what? All it proves is there are many delusionals willing to reinforce the quality of this research with a random 50cc squirt of intellectual diarrhea. RobertMBlevins continues to steer with the use of another non-sequitur: “6) Weber cannot be positively placed in the NW United States at the time of the hijacking.” If a person’s fingerprints or DNA matches the samples in FBI evidence, BUT can’t be placed in the NW United States they are exonerated? This only makes sense on this thread. RobertMBlevins tweaks the nose of Captain Obvious with: “7) None of Weber's ex-wives or other family members have offered definitive evidence leading to the possibility Weber was the hijacker.” Neither has anyone else since ‘definitive evidence’ would lead to an investigation by the FBI, then the ‘definitive evidence’ would be used in a court of law to convict the hijacker. Occam experiences forced ‘manlove’ with: “8) Occam's Razor might suggest that with so many previous arrests and the extensive hunt for the hijacker, that Weber would have been discovered reletively quickly.” Occam screams that an employee of the airline would be identified relatively quickly as well. RobertMBlevins peers deep into a pool of irony by stating: “9) Weber's occasional behaviors, (if true) such as tossing a bag off a bridge and taking his wife on a NW trip and dropping hints...might suggest he was living a fantasy and secretly wanted to be Cooper. Most of his life he was a loser. Maybe he wanted to be a winner, and used his wife to further those ends. If this is true, it only shows he was selfish and sentenced her to a life of endless hunting for a truth that was never there.” Much the way Lyle said he never believed that Kenny was Cooper, but sparked some brain dead investigation which defied every statistic known to science, by ‘proving’ Kenny was coincidentally Cooper. Captain Obvious hasn’t left the building with: “10) The FBI did an obviously thorough investigation and may have discovered the same things.” If Kenny isn’t Cooper, then perhaps, it’s someone else.

Mrshutter45 summarizes with: “500 pages doesn't sound like a "quick botched investigation"” Farflung responds with: No….. no it doesn’t. (This comment was sponsored by the committee to ATFQ and the Anti-Quibbling League)