Zenister

some one in one of our breifings this morning refered to him as "the minister of wishful thinking." ____________________________________ Those who fail to learn from the past are simply Doomed.

some one set up us the bomb.. wow...i cant believe anyone missed that..i guess i forget there are people who dont live on the internet and watch tv for entertainment ____________________________________ Those who fail to learn from the past are simply Doomed.

Unless you're the only one on the plane and in the air you have other peoples lives in your hands. Think about it. and as has been pointed out time and time again, there are soooo many more common and equally dangerous factors that are not addressed.. [sarcasm]but hey drug testing is the panacea for dz safety, cant have the DZO actually talk to his staff and know them well enough to personally evaluate their performance and safety, of course not, that might require effort..[/sarcasm] ____________________________________ Those who fail to learn from the past are simply Doomed.

Amen. it scares me that people who grow up "living in a cage" think everyones world should share their view, and persecute those who do not. thank you for standing up for individual responsibilityand personal freedom. i intend no offense to the previous poster, but the mind set always seems to be "if your not doing anything wrong why do you care if your searched or not??" ____________________________________ Those who fail to learn from the past are simply Doomed.

and some times it inbreeds.. ____________________________________ Those who fail to learn from the past are simply Doomed.

nice! i cant wait to try a wingsuit...that looks like so much fun!! ____________________________________ Those who fail to learn from the past are simply Doomed.

exactly, but saying someone who is using drugs will do so is just as arsine as saying anyone who owns a gun will fire it off in their front yard and kill someone next time they have a few beers after work. so how do you regulate everyone with a potentially lethal device and/or situation, who may become influenced by any number of factors that can potentially affect ones judgment and possibly create a hazard for someone else...and still say you live in a free country?? ____________________________________ Those who fail to learn from the past are simply Doomed.

That's a little simplistic considering how pervasive random testing is. If I refuse to submit to random drug testing and am not hired because of it, I see that as being discriminated against because I believe in my 4th amendment rights. The 4th Amendment, along with the rest of the Bill of Rights, limits the power of government. It has no relevance to private employment practice. How do you feel about drug testing for airline pilots? you mean the same way the goverment controls speed limits in states, it just doenst give them money to fix the roads.. money rules the world wither its a written law or not the goverment has a HUGE effect on how private businesses are run simply by taking a stance one way or another, no official regulation nessesary, they'll just threaten your lively hood if you dont fall in line.. even a fatality is no reason to institute such invasive, draconian measures, its your life, lose it in any manner you chose. If you want to get high and jump your just a candidate for the next darwin award and the O2 you save will be used by someone else... ____________________________________ Those who fail to learn from the past are simply Doomed.

government propaganda and under the table influence pretty much means that it is a defacto requirement if you dont want to be labeled without cause, persecuted and thereby lose business simply by standing up for individual responsibility. and so the slide to tyranny continues..sad that this was once a country that valued freedom ____________________________________ Those who fail to learn from the past are simply Doomed.

lovely little box youve got there Jak. I did 6 beautiful jumps out of it today.. although it could use some paint and stickers inside. it really looks like a milk carton all white like that i also noticed on the manifest screens listed it as the "Memorial Day Dropzone.com Boogie" Perris Rocks! ____________________________________ Those who fail to learn from the past are simply Doomed.

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if its such a safety issue then why not also require a hangover test, an adaquate sleep test, emotional stability test, general attitude test ...etc?? "what?" you might say not meaning you specifically"but you can observe those things to determine if there is a problem or not??" perhaps if the only way you can tell if someone is doing drugs (and therefore "unsafe") is by having them piss in a cup, then their actual "impairement" isn't as significant as the government propaganda would leave you to believe. as i said at the start, if the DZO/ ST&A doesn't trust his employees from the beginning and there is no behavior/performance reason to suspect they are creating an unsafe environment what does that say about their judgment in the first place? ____________________________________ Those who fail to learn from the past are simply Doomed.

somehow i knew that was going to happen... ____________________________________ Those who fail to learn from the past are simply Doomed.

lol. sure its still good? better check. ____________________________________ Those who fail to learn from the past are simply Doomed.

yes..some of the are connected to parts of the net, but not the www thats why i made the distinction.. ____________________________________ Those who fail to learn from the past are simply Doomed.

your not kidding..i flew back from Europe once with an apache folded up inside one..wish i had a picture, apaches have long been compared to insects, but seeing one tied down like that in a tight, dark enclosed space was rather frightening.. ____________________________________ Those who fail to learn from the past are simply Doomed.

is there a UNIX version? no wait i'd get crucified if i ran it on any of my work systems...besides none of them are connected to the www anyway... wonders how many RU's i could rack up with the 16 Enterprise 4500s i "baby sit" ____________________________________ Those who fail to learn from the past are simply Doomed.

no fair!! you're running 1/5th of our total processors.. ____________________________________ Those who fail to learn from the past are simply Doomed.

i'm not sure why that would change it. what does it say if they are hiring people whos judgment & responsibility they don't trust in the first place? ____________________________________ Those who fail to learn from the past are simply Doomed.

my .02 only if their performance and behavior gives the ST&A reason to suspect they are creating an unsafe condition ____________________________________ Those who fail to learn from the past are simply Doomed.

ive been on a few FF jumps where we did something like that intentionally, someone called it the 'molecule' -pile in the door grab any limb you see, throw it out and try to make it fly without changing grips too much.. loads of fun, some work, some dont.. ____________________________________ Those who fail to learn from the past are simply Doomed.

yea those Navy guys near landing those two stacks were sweet..i was kicking myself this morning for not getting a couple of pictures... wouldnt you know it one of my knucklehead operators jacked up a system at 4am this morning, so at 0700 as i'm loading my gear in the car to go to Perris i get a call and head back to Irwin.. fixed the problem in a few hours, but now the winds have picked up so i'm not driving back down this afternoon..grrr one less day of jumping..at least his first sgt put him on 'soviet missle watch'

great telling Michele. I think you do LOTS better than you give your self credit for...but i think i'm gonna pout..didnt even get a mention..ussually i make more of an impression than that... ____________________________________ Those who fail to learn from the past are simply Doomed.

one feels it nessesary to point out that you should donate something to support our virtual home here even if you dont win a date with any of the skygoddesses (or gods) ____________________________________ Those who fail to learn from the past are simply Doomed.

Some people believe that if you wish evil on another person it's returned to you three times. Might want to think about it. its also important to remember that the good things you do are returned threefold as well ____________________________________ Those who fail to learn from the past are simply Doomed.