Zenister

I was a bigger fan when she was with 10,000 manics, but i do enjoy a good bit of her solo stuff... unfortunately most of it was CD's burned for me by friends and that entire folder has vanished in the last year... ____________________________________ Those who fail to learn from the past are simply Doomed.

OMG!!! you mean the rules change based on audience and medium?? say it isnt so.... “[I]mal-pare'[/I], meet the point instead" I dare you to turn in a formal paper using the same conventions and paragraph structure applied [I]in that post,[/I] to any college professor... COULD, have. not should. It was written and expressed in exactly the manner i intended. Since i was the one writing, it conveyed my thought exactly as I intended. [I](with the occasional typo, which must be forgiven by anyone with sense, unless you really meant “owever” )[/I] i consciously choose to use the elements of punctuation and grammar, in a manner that someone not slavishly tied to "THIS WAY AND NO OTHER !!!" will "hear" and comprehend the subtle meanings. Something you still fail to understand and apparently never will, simply because you cant get past your 'rules'. It is very similar to someone who looks at a Van Gogh and states " the colors are wrong". apostrophes are useless, as are colons and semi colons for the most part. If you are incapable of reading text that lacks them and accurately determining meaning, your basic language skills need work. by the way... nice failures in coding. Your inability to correctly use this interface and medium interferes with the clarity of your post, as it confuses who said what.... of course since you clearly do not understand the evolving conventions applied to internet discourse very well, you might not notice the differences in tone or meanings implied either… ps. check the definition of "Straw man fallacy" you missed that one too.... edit argggg proxy errors are SUCH fun.. had to fix MY formating since i'd pasted the wrong version..... ____________________________________ Those who fail to learn from the past are simply Doomed.

That's where you will find me, Senor! Ironically, that's where you find a lot of people who end up dead in office buildings and schools when a crazy person with a gun goes on a rampage among disarmed prey. They duck under tables hoping that they don't get found and murdered, because they have abdicated their right to have and carry the means to fight back. the quote that comes to mind is "it is better to die on your feet than to live on your knees..." ____________________________________ Those who fail to learn from the past are simply Doomed.

[reply See, if you have a gun, and it can be useful, you have the option of using it or not, depending on circumstances. it is always better to have something and not need it, than to need something and not have it. Unless by having it you limit other options, or place yourself in greater danger... ____________________________________ Those who fail to learn from the past are simply Doomed.

if that is the case you should have had one EXTREMELY long block paragraph, as you continued to address the same thought and issue throughout. Instead you recognize (and even admit) the nature of on screen display vs written text makes 'proper' block structure very difficult to read, so you broke your thoughts into shorter (and technically incorrect) paragraphs for readability. If you were writing a term paper would you have formatted your post in the manner you did? Not very likely, you recognized and adapted the ‘rules’ of grammar to this medium I don’t see a single indentation in your entire post… why not?? Lazy? Its a concession, and adaptation to the medium, if you refuse to make it, you will often be ignored by the bulk of readers who do not wish to strain themselves because the writer does not understand the new requirements. There are several posters on here who seem to refuse to create line breaks. While their posts may be well thought out and informative, the way they chose to present them (while technically correct for the few that indent) makes for difficult reading, thereby obscuring the message. what we are adapting to is the medium. how many instances of incorrect capitalization did you use for emphasis??? why? Internet conventions. You completely miss the point in the telegraph example. The changes there are to the nature of the medium, not for tradition. As any medium becomes more widespread so will its conventions.. SMS will have a serious affect on language, much to the dismay of the traditionalists. The browser formatting example is important because mistakes in CODE here (bold, italics, url etc) can completely change the meaning and inflections of the words, as does the addition or omission of a simple smiley at times. However those who understand the conventions of HTML/XML etc can read the source document and understand EXACTLY how it will look once interpreted. Those unfamiliar with those conventions will have difficulty comprehending the most basic message expressed without this medium to interpret it. Don’t believe me? Try reading the forums viewing only the source documents for an entire day…… this sentence is missing a comma, one word needs to be plural and one word need to be removed to be technically correct, It is not missing a period. It is a continual thought, written in the manner I tend to speak, (I like long sentences and can complete them without sounding ‘breathless’ as you imply, if you cant I can suggest a good running program to help.) however you clearly understood the meaning even if you disagreed with its structure. Over the net, elements of grammar and punctuation are used to express subtle meanings and express personality. Slavishly attempting to apply arbitrary rules misses the point. there is little wrong with following ‘perfectly’ correct grammar and spelling. however dismissing an argument, focusing on the means of delivery or perceived errors instead of the subject under discussion, again, completely. misses. the point. Contrary to your assertions, I am not advocating a change in anything. I am [I]accepting[/I] that conventions change based on the mediums used. Insisting on archaic [I](and many, but not all are archaic and outdated. Before you disagree perhaps you should research the reason standard capitalization forms were adopted to begin with?) conventions solely with the reasoning of "we've always done it this way, why change?" limits and ignores the full benefits and capabilities of the new medium. By beginning from 'scratch' and only applying what is useful and necessary to the new medium you remove the constraints of outdated paradigms. It is called progress. Building on the rules and conditions of the past, discarding that which has little or no benefit, instead of slavishly following them. Some will remain intact, some will change, and some will disappear completely. What you misunderstand is that it is happening wither you like it or not…. As the forms and medium of expressions change so does language. You can whine and scream and cry about ‘correctness and tradition’ all you like, but in the end it wont affect a thing. That which is most effective survives and propagates, that which does not is left behind… Do we still speak Old English? It had its own rules and conventions as well, so far distanced from what we use today that many students simply cannot read Chaucer without someone to translate, until they learn and adapt to the older conventions. As I summarized (and you ignored) you must first learn the rules to understand WHY they exist (clarity of communication) and understand under what conditions they are irrelevant. Apostrophes themselves are concessions to ‘laziness’ as you put it. Why do you use them at all?? Oh yea, you were taught they were acceptable from the start. As language adapts future generations will be taught many of the developing conventions in use now, those that withstand the test of culture and time. by the way.. another nice straw man argument. By creating situations and examples and attributing them to me with no knowledge whatsoever of what that I DO and DO NOT support or encourage, you abstract my position in a manner that makes YOUR points indefensible, and yet little of what you mistakenly assume and attribute to me actually applies.. and you wonder why few bother with a point to point debate with you?? ____________________________________ Those who fail to learn from the past are simply Doomed.

speaking of ronald this fashion slave needs his help... ____________________________________ Those who fail to learn from the past are simply Doomed.

generally i dont pay much attention to music in strip clubs... it became background noise after bartending in one for a few summers... however the sexiest, most sensual strip i ever saw was to a Tori Amos song... Leather.. ____________________________________ Those who fail to learn from the past are simply Doomed.

your mind is a very scary place eh? ____________________________________ Those who fail to learn from the past are simply Doomed.

The only result if we continue with this approach will be business (or politics) as usual. We get the candidates we deserve if we don't start thinking long term. and the leaders we dont by not realizing the system is fucked.... ____________________________________ Those who fail to learn from the past are simply Doomed.

ok.. i've seen several sig lines with the song qoute in them around here.. including one greenie does this mean more people have seen it now?? is it gaining enough popularity to make a return... it never really got a chance on TV with poor advertising and a terrrible time slot.... ____________________________________ Those who fail to learn from the past are simply Doomed.

lets not forget him digitally removing all the guns from ET and replacing them with radios... its one thing to release a directors cut of a movie saying "this is how i wished I'd dont it" its another entirely to attempt to rewrite history for your own political agendas.. Lucas has become a hack. I wont support him in any thing he does any longer.... ____________________________________ Those who fail to learn from the past are simply Doomed.

Daaanm another great tune i havent heard this year even ... digs through disks again i love this thread..... ____________________________________ Those who fail to learn from the past are simply Doomed.

pssst... it's called "in my life" Not it's not. http://www.lyricsdownload.com/beatles-there-are-places-i-remember-lyrics.html uumm first off, its on Rubber Soul not on an album called "In My Life", dont rely on those lyric sheet sites.. they are often crap... http://www.beatles-discography.com/ go scan the "T's" till you cant find it, then go scan the "I's" til you do..... then go buy a copy of Rubber Soul and play if for 12 hours straight as penance... ____________________________________ Those who fail to learn from the past are simply Doomed.

GC crap??? dude, you are soo off the mothership ____________________________________ Those who fail to learn from the past are simply Doomed.

I agree, it is a nicety for formal communication, but it's simply not critical if the message is clearly expressed and formatted. Many of the rules of grammar and spelling are archaic leftovers from a time when all discourse was handwritten and needed better rules to force legibility and clarity. The nature of this medium means a number of those rules are unnecessary or erroneously applied. Paragraph structure is a good example, without knowing the exact conditions, resolutions, etc that your message will be displayed on following standard block paragraph structure can cause less understanding, not more... Language adapts to the environment and cultural influences, the users who cannot (or will not) adapt generally scream about how the 'sky is falling', because the rules they have grown accustom to are changing. How many have seen a telegraph message? Did you understand it? Did it conform to the rules of grammar had it adopted its own that applied to the specific medium. Apostrophes? How often do you misunderstand a sentence because of the presence or absence of an apostrophe? AM I YELLING? I am on the internet.... :’s ;’s? other than creating smilies that actually help understanding across the digital medium, what real use have they? If you think this is bad, you should see what is happening in Asia where SMS text messaging is very very common. Wait till that has become a standard form of communication in the US and its evolving conventions begin to appear everywhere else as well… However, much like music, the basic rules need to be taught so that the student can understand the hows and whys of when they can be and should be broken… ps. For all the geeks out there, what does this page really look like without your browser to format it for you… code is the one place that level of precision is required, simply because without the communication breaks down….humans are far more adapatable. ____________________________________ Those who fail to learn from the past are simply Doomed.

From the glossary of FM 34-130 Intel is the product used to make decisions... Analysis is a step in the process of producing Intel... J damn gonna make me break out the recommended revisions arent you... we've been trying to fix that for a while....The military is a bit behind in a number of things...I'm sure you'll recall the lengthy process in getting doctrine changed when it isnt politically motivated... ps. which FM does the CIA use? a significant part of the problem is all services need to be using the same terms in the same manner across the board... and they arent... however your right in that reguard FM 34-130 defines the terms that way, and in the opinions of many still active in the intel world incorrectly. what is described therein is a fixed inflexible process, something we've moved away from in the last 5 years.. ____________________________________ Those who fail to learn from the past are simply Doomed.

ooooo good tune!! hmm where are my disks in this mess ____________________________________ Those who fail to learn from the past are simply Doomed.

indeed the BAR is a very old, very reliable weapon with a history spanning WWI,II and Korea... its unlikely it was manufactured before 1934, but its possible.... ____________________________________ Those who fail to learn from the past are simply Doomed.

if he did that he'd have alot of empty posts... Dude, if you stopped commenting on what I have to say, you'd barely have any posts here at all! I'm still waiting for YOU to ever say anything substantive. By contrast, you seem very concerned all the time with the stuff I say. And you never adequately rebut any of it, either. You just talk amongst yourselves with other people who think I'm wrong. wow. had your sense of humor surgically removed? actually we (or I at least, unlike you i dont attempt to speak for anyone but myself) generally just ignore it, you rarely have concrete points or evidence, no solid points to rebut, LOVE to use the old strawman fallacy, (which i've certainly wasted a bit of time setting fire to a few of yours, it is mildly entertaining at times) fail to read for comprehension, preferring instead to assume what others think and say, and become belligerent and insulting when confronted by facts and evidence that disagrees and disproves the bulk of your ravings. Since your favorite mode of discourse appears to consist of rants, slander and labels, why would anyone really bother to attempt to engage you in reasoned debate? you don’t seem to understand the terms, conditions and basic courtesy involved. at some point you'll grow out of the phase, lose the forum to grandstand on, or realize that your being ignored and wander off in search of something else shiny to become self righteous and indignantly offended over..... until then your really only a source of amusement [I]predictable response follows[/I] ____________________________________ Those who fail to learn from the past are simply Doomed.

Information = Raw data on a given topic or subject Analysis = the process of turning information into intelligence Intelligence = processed and analyzed data used to draw conclusions, make decisions, or develop targets... J 7 years in the Intel biz... I’m going on my 10th and i know ALOT of people still active with twice that number who'd disagree with your definitions.. Commanders act on the analysis, the end product, and (mistakenly) refer to it as Intel (because it comes from that division/section etc.. but the smart ones refer back to and question the analysis which creates the cycle of Intel) but they are still miss applying the terms... if you refer to the entire process as Intel your correct, but that is not what occurred in the case of Iraq and the WMD findings, they went with the 'analysis' that agreed with their objectives and thereby aborted the entire Intel process later analysis of the information (and excluding the unconfirmed, unreliable, unverifiable elements of it) indicated the previous analysis and the conclusions drawn from it were flawed. This often happens when the command has preconceptions. or to quote one of my favorite Plt Sgts "i'm sorry sir, i wouldn’t want to let reality interfere with your template" saying they were misled by bad "Intel" is incorrect. Intel is never 'good or bad' it simply is, the analysis can be 'good or bad' based on the quality of information, the abilities of the analysts and how much direction and control they are given from above. Conclusions and decisions can be good or bad as well depending on how much the leadership participates in the entire process of Intel. Intelligence often gets a bad rap because of poor leadership. "We show you the egg, you suck it yourself" ____________________________________ Those who fail to learn from the past are simply Doomed.

ive got several machines at home and so many other machines i access the internet from, one or the other usually has a DZ.com page open, so i stopped worrying about it completely... same thing with the IMs there is always one up one one machine or another... ____________________________________ Those who fail to learn from the past are simply Doomed.

pssst... it's called "in my life" ____________________________________ Those who fail to learn from the past are simply Doomed.

picking an entire side of an album is sooooooo cheating.. ____________________________________ Those who fail to learn from the past are simply Doomed.

those who dont get it never will..... but anyone with eyes will be awed by the beauty of the movie.... ____________________________________ Those who fail to learn from the past are simply Doomed.

and glasses ____________________________________ Those who fail to learn from the past are simply Doomed.