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yes i realize that AFF is not the only way... but it was the only way where i learned and i didn't know then of any except S/L and i didn't want to do that. there is much to be desired about AFF but still it is getting better all the time. I recently checked out AFP as they do in Chicago and i like it better than AFF as an idea. Bill have fun, love life, be nice to the humans

they are very important, whatever name you call them, i say Flat Turn as well. The more I see of it the more i like the AFP thing at SDC. I think it is a good idea ... Bill have fun, love life, be nice to the humans

lightweights, Bill have fun, love life, be nice to the humans

there you go, now my faith is restored Bill have fun, love life, be nice to the humans

yeah it would suck if you had to keep trying over and over. Bill have fun, love life, be nice to the humans

I don't even know Martin. But i don't like to hear of any of us getting hurt. I hope he has a speedy recovery and that his family and friends are doing well. Bill have fun, love life, be nice to the humans

they are going to give us all a bad name. Bill have fun, love life, be nice to the humans

What kind of S-link then? Bill have fun, love life, be nice to the humans

Passion is everything, kissing is cool, and if you leave either one out you are cheating yourself in my opinion. that a being friends pretty much makes up the core elements of a relationship to me. Bill have fun, love life, be nice to the humans

hmmm, that sucks, I am a single parent of a teenage girl, not that big a deal really, heheh must be the truck. good luck, Bill have fun, love life, be nice to the humans

The pin broke? that is just scary, anywhere near the door and that could be tragic. how old was the rig? Bill have fun, love life, be nice to the humans

You will have such fun, and you are going knowing you are doing the two tandems and starting school? Good for you, have fun, those first few jumps are just incredible, well they all are but those are just too cool... Kiss your money good bye and jump in head long you will love it. have fun, Bill have fun, love life, be nice to the humans

How cool sounding, it is great to learn something new. Your Profile says you hawe over 70 jumps though? How many jumps are in AFF there? just curious... have fun, Bill have fun, love life, be nice to the humans

Good to hear it is going so well, hard work paying off is always fun. Thanks for the pics, looks like a blast. So total in gallons, how much beer you figure you guys will go through? have fun, Bill have fun, love life, be nice to the humans

Hey man did you get to do your jump? I am curious to see how it went. I hope you get to live the dream, it is worth whatever you do to get there... Much luck, Bill have fun, love life, be nice to the humans

I would shoot someone, but just really fast so that they would know it was nothing personal.. Bill

oh and we do one case per first,,, you used the F word five times in your first sentence of your post... heheh Bill have fun, love life, be nice to the humans

I looked in my log book and i have hand deploy signed off on jump 12... At SDD first jump students now use BOC relaese systems. I don't know what is right on this, only what I did. Bill have fun, love life, be nice to the humans

Never heard it called that but sounds the same, it will make you turn flat and that is the idea. Bill have fun, love life, be nice to the humans

Another fun thing to do when you friends are talking you into downsizing, ask the guys with over 1000 jumps or some years in the sport how long they jumped each new canopy before they downsized, you will be amazed at how many jumps they had on each one before downsizing. That is one of my biggest problems in skydiving. When you are in school they tell you get a canopy that is safe, jump it a couple hundred times and then downsize gradually, then you get out of school have 40-50 jumps and people are trying to sell you a 150 Sabre, and telling you how you can handle it because you have stood up your last 12 landings really well. Patience is a virtue. Bill have fun, love life, be nice to the humans

Now that is what i am talking about, I am not trying to be harsh, but when you are learning it is your first, best time to develope good habits... I am an incredibly anal student and with only a few jumps there is no way you can ask too many questions or get too many gear checks. And I love to jump with brand new jumpers, but 13 jumps, that just seems a bit low to me. If you are jumping with others then, I hope they have thousands of jumps, and the rule is they have to be an instructor at that point I am pretty sure, maybe a coach certificate holder at least? And as far as beer by my count he owes at least 5 cases of beer. Sounds like a party in Bakersfield? Bill have fun, love life, be nice to the humans

Good points all Richard, but lets give him a little help here. Not only did he know, were you over him watching? Vertical distance is very hard to judge and when one person opens they are going to close that distance very fast, 100mph fast, do you realize how fast you can close a 500 foot difference at 100mph? something like 3 seconds, max. You call that hand deploy thing a BOC and the drag chute a Pilot Chute. The sail would be your Canopy. and while 1500 may be high enough for many jumpers, it says to me that you must have cut away below the 2500 student decission altitude, since reserves open pretty damm fast i really doubt yours took 1000 feet to open. And was your buddie still under you when you cut away? This is a very fun game we play, excitement is never far away once you start gearing up. But don't forget it is deadly serious, and bad happens very fast. I see a few other things wrong here, not the least of which is why the hell are you jumping with people at 13 jumps, you can't have a license and you call him your buddy and he was clearly not coaching you on any kind of jump if he were nowhere near you as you describe. There is a reason you are supposed to have a license first, mostly so when you make rookie mistakes (we all made them) there is not an open canopy under you, or someone in freefall over you. 13 jumps is plenty to know the basic gear components, and like Richard said it would be a good idea to familarize yourself with them before you hurt yourself, and if you wait you will need to know the right names for them so you don't look stupid when filling in the injury report. In skydiving one of the tricks to staying alive is not playing over your head, I think a self imposed step backwards just might be in order...There are so many ways for us to loose another of our skydiving family, ignorance should never be one. I don't mean to be too hard on you man, I am glad you have decided to join us. It is often the simple things that save your life. please pay attention to the details. They matter. Bill have fun, love life, be nice to the humans

Flat turns are incredibly easy, you just have to know to use them. I think they should be part of AFF. you can do them most anytime, pretty damn low too, and you can use both toggles and be going pretty slow when you do it too.. great for avoiding things like buildings, power lines and tress among other things. I hope she is going to be ok. I am pretty sure that there would be less deaths and i know there would be less injuries if we all knew how to use them... Practice high at first just like anything else. Bill have fun, love life, be nice to the humans

I was told the same thing.. never, never, never double loop the stows that run through a gromet. Personally i use the large stows on the gromets and small ones everywhere else. i also never double the last stow... but that is just me, i jump a sabre in a Javelin, never had a hard opening. Bill have fun, love life, be nice to the humans

I hope that Leon recovers completely. A good gear check might have been in order here. As for helmets, I am a fan. I smaked someone in the air one time, they had one, I didn't. I can't say that their helmet saved their life, but, I am sure that my head hurt worse than theirs did. Bill have fun, love life, be nice to the humans