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That sounds really interesting Jerry. I wish Amazon would take the invitation to visit. I think after ten minutes and two bourbons you two would agree that each other had military jump experience. It's funny how you can miss things in the wilds. When my boy was 4 I read him a local newspaper story about robbers in San Francisco in the late 1800s who operated out of caves in an urban canyon. The caves still existed wrote the author and were formed by big boulders rather than being limestone caverns. My boy went nuts. "Daddy, we HAVE to find those robbers caves, there might be buried treasure." Fortunately the canyon area had been preserved as an urban wildland park. Weekend after weekend we scoured the area which was a beautiful canyon with a pristine creek running through it. There was thick brush and brambles off the trails. We searched and searched over many Saturdays to no avail. One day, looking through binoculars up towards the far rim, which was lit up by the sun, I caught a glimpse of a black hollow area amidst the huge rocks. I'd looked there many times before and saw absolutely nothing. The hunt was on. We had to cut through brush and thorny berry vines and work our way up, but when we got there we had obviously found the robbers caves. A few beer cans showed that others had been here too, but my son didn't even notice them. We entered a large "room" through a small gap between huge boulders. Further in there was a smaller hole into another chamber which would have been a tight fit for me but not for my boy. When he wasn't looking I tossed some coins into the next chamber. I didn't give any hints as he was a savvy skeptical kid. He told me he wanted to go further in and I tried to discourage him. He persisted, entered the next chamber and screeched with delight as he dug up coins from the layer of fine dirt which lined the floor. "Buried treasure Daddy, REALLY" he shouted. He was ecstatic with excitement. He left no coins unfound. We left after an hour and worked our way back to the trail. Many hikers familar with the area don't believe our story, but it's true. Sometimes things are hidden in plain sight. Jo would like that. Amazon and Jerry, go have a beer or bourbon together, settle your doubts about each others jump credentials and trade ideas about how we might solve this mystery. You both have a lot to offer. 377 ----------------------- Cool story, 377. Thanks.

A pleasant diversion from 70,000 feet. Perhaps y'all have seen this video, but I found it enchanting. http://www.wimp.com/breathtakingfootage/

[reply Jerry, I have spoken with Richard and Al Fazio several times at Tina's Beach. Al directly told me about coming back from a cattle auction and being denied entrance to his property. Further, he did not seem to appreciate the fact that since the feds were on the beach before him his opinion on wash-ups and tide line depostion of the money is compromised. At best, he came upon a evidence retrieval operation already underway, and didn't see the original dispersal pattern.

You make a good point, Georger, namely to consider that the contour of the beach changed from the time of the money's deposition to its discovery. However, I know of only two major changes. One was that the dredge spoils created their own layer on top of the existing soils of the river bank in 1974, but apparently maintaining the existing contour. The second re-shaping occurred post-1980 when the ACE decided to place Columbia River spoils in a centralized collection area away from the shore line. Al Fazio told me that this decision caused the river bank to develop a sharp incline, which is how Tina's Beach looks these days, with an added "cliff" formation of 3-5 feet drop off at the top of the bank due to two decades of material loss. Hence, it is my understanding that Tina's Beach today is both lower and sharper in profile than it was in the 1970s. Al Fazio emphatically states that the money had washed-in just prior to discovery, and had been there for only a few tides. But how does he know? He didn't learn the money had been discovered until the feds told him. So, who to believe? Dorwin? He told me the Bedell was still dredging at Tina's Beach in 1980. "Down to three feet," Himms? "Tideline, but also buried a shovel blade's length down," McPheter? "Propeller," Larry? What's your view, G.?

Attached is a 14,000 word overview of the DB Cooper case as I understand it. I offer it here for your review, and I welcome any feedback, comments, or critiques. It is greatly expanded from my original piece from a year ago, and is much broader, taking in the work of this forum, the Citizen Sleuths, and all that Larry contributed, such as the comic book and door-kicker angles. It also includes many of the interview reports that I have posted here The tone of the new piece is also changed, being much less provocative. No longer do I seek to roast the feet of the FBI at the fires of inconsistency and coverup. I'm merely trying to tell the story in its fullness, one that has many inconsistencies and mysteries. Hence I call it, "The Hunt for DB Cooper - The Resurgent Investigation into America's Only Unsolved Skyjacking Case." I'm pitching it as a magaizne article, and I'm also sending it to agents and pubs as a template for a book deal.

I had genuine field effect transistors (FETs) in some radio gear I carried while skydiving. Nothing unusual happend. Maybe I need to crank up the voltage. How would one construct a field effect canopy Bruce? If you can reduce gravity why not omit canopies and just land your wingsuit. Forget planes too, just beam yourself up. No more wasting fuel for fun Orange. Quote Tsk, tsk, 377, I don't think you read my articles on field-effect propulsion systems. I'll send them PM to save you the effort of hunting them up a couple pages back. In the interim, the most simple field-effect to install on a canopy would be to use a material that could hold a charge and turn the canopy into a capacitor. With a portable generating device, it could create an electro-static field that could repel the air molecules around the canopy, thus countering the effects of gravity. It is widely thought in the avionic inductry that the B-2 bomber uses a similar system to assist its conventional jet engines. My friends in near-by Boeing World say the specs on the B-2, ie: bomb loads, wing spans, and distances it flies, require a secondary propulsion system. Also, these folks say that Air Force One is similarly equiped with a supplemental propulsion system. They told me that when Dubya flew out of Seattle a few ago from Boeing Field, AF-1 was nearly silent on take-off. It was so quiet that I even heard comment made about it on the radio, if I recall correctly. Beyond that, we get into some pretty esoteric systems, such as outfitting a canopy with a high-speed, rotating superconductor to block gravity, or using what I think is happening with bees and other flying insects, a device that can generate counter-rotating torision fields, much like two miniature tornados counter-rotating around themselves. Nick Cook, the author of "The Hunt for Zero Point - Inside the Classified World of Antigraivty Technology," has the most complete description of this kind of technology in the general literature. Cook is also the aviation editor of Jane's Defence Weekly, so he has some pretty good cred. That said, my preferred system would be to manipulate the quantum field as Georger's article a few pages back describes for Bee Dancing, or as I would describe it, mastering the quantum moment and using techniques based upon the Observer Effect to visualize and establish an anti-gravitic flight. Now that I'm thinking about it, maybe I will take you guys up on that parachute jump, even though Snowwman is banished from the forum, so I might have to go as the only newbie. Kinda put my money where my mouth is, so to speak, or rather, put James Randi's money next to what my fingers are typing.... ...I could use that $1 mill, too.

Bless you Bruce. That is priceless. You really should read G's reference. It should make it clear that those lottery near misses were unremarkable and no better than random. On second thought maybe it won't convince you. 377 Even a smattering of understanding about probability theory goes a long way to helping understand things like that. But I'm sure this is why many people keep buying the tickets - because they "almost had it". (I'm not trying to sound elitist or arrogant ...as a certain erstwhile poster was wont to do ... i think most people are capable of stats 1??) My favourite statistical parlour game (nerd huh) is getting non-stats trained people to guess how many people you need in a room before you can be almost certain of two having their birthdays on the same day I think it's about 30. I remember doing the problem in a college math class. Or was it 13? It was a straight-forward formula, but conplex, as I recall.

You need to look at this. http://www.math.rochester.edu/about/newsletters/spring98/bees.html I know this will keep you up nights. That is why Im giving you this. Knowledge is like acid. This is great stuff, Georger. Thanks. I have long wondered about bumble bees, sensing that they use quantum processes to fly, probably creating some kind of natural field-effect to fly, for certainly their stubby little wings sure don't look like they provide enough lift to elevate their rotund bodies. As for interacting with the quantum field to communicate with other bees in a dance. Ahh... this is very cool to consider, and where better to discuss it than on a skydiving web site.... ...imagine if DB Cooper had a field-effect enhanced canopy and flew anywhere he wanted to, invoking other field-effects to shield him from radar and visual searches....is that how McCoy made it to the ground just a few miles off the Interstate in Provo with over 200 LE tracking him with search lights????.. a little detail Russ Calame and Bernie Rhodes fail to discuss in "DB Cooper - the Real McCoy."

Bruce, while you are doing remote viewing and time travel to solve aviation mysteries, please drop in on that Air France jet that came apart over the Atlantic outbound from Brazil. They never found the FDRs and although much wreckage was recovered, the root cause is still not known with certainty. They may have just flown into severely turbulent weather and it came undone. 377 It's on the list, 377. Whew....so many mysteries, so little time....but to those with great power comes great responsibilties...... Thanks, for the head's up, Spidey.

Thanks for the link, HD, on high-speed rotating superconductors. It is excellent. Boy, I sure am glad Georger mentioned ESP a few pages back. I'm really enjoying this conversation. As for RV being hard work, I am finding that it is, actually. I had a bout of nausea this morning that made me suspend my RV process. This wasn't the first time, either.

I think Puthof's ESP work at Stanford has been thoroughly discredited, but that's just my skeptical self talking. Quote Hmm, 377, I have never heard that before. Rather, the information I have received from multiple credible sources is that Hal Puthoff was recruited by the CIA out of Stanford to form their remote viewing squadron, which included Ingo Swann. Puthoff led this outfit for 12 years. Supporting documentation is widely available in the literature. This effort in turn led to the Army's RV unit known as Stargate. From that unit has come a remarkable body of work describing it. RV'ers who are now writing books about their RV experiences are Lynn Buchanan, (The Seventh Sense), Joe McMoneagle (Mind Trek) and David Morehouse (Psychic Warrior). Stargate was disbanded, supposedly, by Bill Clinton in the mid-1990s, but is generally believed to have simply gone deep black. Nevertheless, the story of their work has been integrated into the recent movie, titled, "Men Who Stare at Goats," which used as a plot line the parallel effort by the Army to form well-rounded psychic warriors as part of its Earth First Battalion. The EFB reportedly specialized in self-healing, especially of battlefield wounds, and killing or disabling enemy soldiers through psychic means, hence the title: "Men Who Stare at Goats." They also worked on moving through time and space via teleportation and bi-location techniques, and were particularly interested in learning how to move though solid objects. In the early 1980s, Chief of Army Intel, General Albert Stubblebine reportedly made some very dramatic attempts to run through his office walls in the Pentagon. They were unsuccessful, apparently. The General spoke at the Ramtha School last weekend, but I was unable to attend his presentation. Lastly, my observation is that the prevailing term in the study of the science of consciousness is "Mind as Matter," not mind over matter, as had been customary for decades. It is certainly how Ramtha describes the relationship, and I think the change reflects the broader understandings of how physical reality is formed. As for why nobody has plucked the $1 mill from James Randi's pockets, I don't have a clue. As for me, I've had seasons where I focused intensely on winning the lottery. When I'm on, I've gotten four out of six numbers a few times, three a bunch, and two number with some regularity. But never the whole enchilada. Then, after a while, something comes along that captures my passion, like DB Cooper. And here I am.

Quade has really upset me. He is right, we DO sound like Art Bell in the 1980s. Calling all Cooper scientists, STAT. The lunatics have taken over the asylum. Time for TK to check in and give us an update. Wouldn't it be a kick if Bruce's paranormal science team leads us to some Cooper evdience? The only remote viewing I have done used a video camera and an RF transmitter. 377 Ahh, 377, I love the idea of forming a remote viewing / teleportation team to transcend time and space and glean new data from Flight 305. Calling all kindred spirits!!!! To that end, I have attached two of my magazine articles. One is the above mentioned piece on field-effect propulsion systems, "Antigravity: The Holy Grail of the 21st Cetnury." It was published in Nexus magazine in 2003. The second article takes the next step, and is titled: "Levitation 101: The Bio-Physics of Human Leviation." It was published in 2004 in Mt. Shasta Magazine.

It's okay to talk to martians it's when they talk back you need to be concerned georger. Speaking of ESP, has anyone tried the "remote viewing" technique to find Cooper? Ingo Swann was the original CIA remote viewer at Stanford in the 70's. He wrote a book "Penetration" that can be found online about some of his work with the spooks. I can't say I believe everything but a good story anyway. I wonder if they had him work the case? It's the right time frame. Reply, The short answer, Hang Diver, is "Yes," people are using remote viewing to investigate the DB Cooper case, or at least one - me. However, I am not very accomplished at the process, so I really have nothing of substance to add to the discussion. But RV, along with teleportation, could be a real game-changer in this case. Your question has put a real charge into my neural nets calling for action. It might be time to enlist Ingo Swann's old boss, Hal Puthoff and his old RV team at Stargate. Puthoff is now the director of the Institute of Advanced Research in Austin, and his deputy, a guy by the name of Eric Davis, PHd, wrote a treatise on the current state of teleportation for the Air Force a few years back. It was widely ridiculed by my brethren in the media, but I heard Dr. Davis give a report on it at the Ramtha School and it sounded very solid, in my opinion. It will be very interesting to see my two fields of study - DB Cooper and the New Physics - come together. Ahhh, synchronicity. I love it. I truly do. One specific angle might be to get Joe McMoneagle or David Morehouse, some of Puthoff's former RV'ers who now work commercially, to join us. I'll try to contact them and see if they're up for the game. Further, to specifically answer your question, I have not heard word one from any of Puthoff's RV'ers, or any other RV'ers for that matter, on the subject of Cooper. How have you become interested in remote viewing, Hang Diver? Me, I've been attending the Ramtha School for 20 years, and that's my main source of inspiration and information. But I've also known some folks at the Monroe Institute, which intensely works on RV and related subjects. In fact, I (very) briefly met Robert Monroe at a pizza joint in Nellysford, VA a long time ago. No words exchanged, just eye connect. As for Puthoff, I had an extensive email exchange with him when I worked on a field-effect propulsion system article titled: "Antigravity: The Holy Grail of the 21st Century," which subsequently earned me an invitation to present my findings to the Space Technology and Application International Forum in 2004, which was partially hosted by the American Institute of Physics. One of my classmates at the Ramtha School, Danielle Graham, presented at STAIF also, and her empirical research on the effects of focused thought upon gravitational mass are very exciting, with one test yielding a 7-pound weight loss on a 200-pound meditator. Maybe it's time for the dropzone to explore the real sensation of the lightness of being, eh?

Quote I for one will miss Snowwman, and I think his banishment is improper. His contributions to the investigation of DB Cooper are many, and most of what I have been able to contribute to this forum in the past year has been a direct result of following up leads that Snowwman provided. What behavior of Snowwman's was so intemperate that he must be banned? Was he rude, silly and provocative at times? Yes. So what? He kept the investigation going. I'll take Snowwman's cockamamie-ness over half-truths, half-baked ideas, and Jerry's spelling any day.

This is a skydiver forum Bruce. Marriages to other skydivers are viewed as "negotiable". Marriages to Whuffos are totally ignored. Snow hasn't jumped yet, but he has been fully trained on ground procedures regarding the above. I consider myself duly informed, 377. Thank you. 377 ***

er, no thanks. I have a problem with that first step thing. But, I'm touched that you asked, Amazon

Ralph has never given me an exact figure on what he would like to be paid. Rather, I don't think Ralph is getting paid by anyone, and that seems to be the problem. He feels ripped off - that he is being exploited by the media - he gives them gold nuggets and he gets nothing in return. I told Ralph that the best I could do was buy him lunch, and he laughed politely. I added that I'd give him ten percent of anything I made that featured his contributions, but he deferred. As for my giving stuff away for free, here, well, I feel it is money well spent. I wouldn't have half the info I have now if it wasn't for the thread - I never would have heard about Braden, Waugh, Plaster, Sheridan - or all the flight path stuff and parachute detail. And all the phone numbers, etc. Heck, I'd still be trying to figure out what da hay is an NB 8. Besides, I believe in stirring the pot. Who knows, maybe some g-man on his death bed is gonna say to a nephew - here kid, give this file to that sonovabitch writer on the DZ who eveybody calls Cousin Brucie.......... ...and I'll post that too, as a hat tip to y'all.

In my efforts to engage Sheridan and learn more about the FBI's investigation of him, I have had the pleasure of talking to several FBI agents from the San Francisco area, who have been helpful and exceptionally curtious. My first duty is to report, sadly, at least for Snoww and I, that Noelle Devereaux has married. Sigh. Secondly, the PIO in SF thought that I would enjoy talking to one of their long-time SF agents who also worked on the Cooper case back in the day. This agent's name is George Grotz, and here is a report on our very pleasant conversation last week: George was a 2-month rookie G-man in the Seattle office when Danny Boy jumped. George ended up in the San Francisco office for much of his career and just retired. He also pulled an extensive hitch in DC doing some kind of field training of agents and evaluations. George is a nice guy. Lives in SF area. His first words to me were, "Have you found him?," meaning DB Cooper. Then he asked if I had spoken with Ralph, which I found interesting. Why would a Seattle guy direct me a Portland player? I wonder if that's the whole FBI program, namely, send everybody to Himms and get the "authorized" story. We talked back and forth about Himms and the case. George really surprised me with his concern when I told him that Ralph won't talk to me because I can't pay his price, although I think the bigger reason is that I ask too many questions that Ralph doesn't want to answer. "I don't think retired FBI agents should ever charge for talking about their cases," he said in a stern voice. George did say that Ron Nelson was the case agent in Seattle. George didn't have any specifics on how the case was handled in Seattle, such as how often they spoke to Russ Calame in SLC. George must have been busy getting everybody coffee back in those days. He said they didn't do too much in Seattle when the skyjacking was in progress. "We gave him the money; there was not much else to do," was what I heard. George said there was an extensive ground search just days after the jump. He characterized it as a “wild goose-chase.” He also claimed that the original coordinates given by the pilots were off by 25 miles, which I find very intriguing. This initial ground search was based in Vancouver, and George doesn’t exactly remember where it as centered, but he said they went north on I-5 to get there. He also said they drove about 30 minutes to get there, which could also be Ariel, so I got confused, or maybe George was confused. George never heard any reports about a fiery object seen coming out of a plane and arcing west of Vancouver. George was on the ground search in March, 1972. He said they got more information from the pilots, and he heard about the curtsey for the first time. He said there was still snow on the ground, and that they found a large white sheet strung up in the trees saying, "Good Luck DB Cooper." George indicated that he had a much easier time in the woods than the soldiers who slept in tents in the woods while George and feds went to a hotel. Plus, the soldiers kept straight lines going over their terrain, making it very rugged physically, while the FBI guys were behind them, apparently strolling along. “God, we were out there for weeks, it seemed like, and I was so glad I was out of the Army,” he said with a laugh. He volunteered that they didn’t find anything, and said, ”But a cop found a young woman’s body in a cistern.” George was in Seattle for a year, leaving in Sept. ‘72 for Cleveland. I sent an email to George asking for contact info on Ron Nelson, but haven't heard back.

Glad to see you made it here, Sheridan, and folks, I can verify that the guy posting here as Sheridan Peterson, eagleyeWindsor is the real deal. Sheridan and I have exchanged a number of emails in the past week or two, and the tone, style and content of his emails to me is identical to what he is posting here on the thread. In those emails I have suggested he visit this thread and join the party. So, I am very pleased that you are here, Sheridan, and I echo all the requests to hear your stories. Let 'er rip. To all: I also have to revise my opinion of Sheridan's writing, for as I read his recent emails I have found them to be well-crafted and compelling. I had based my previous opinion on the few samples I had, such as the Smokejumper magazine article.

I can handle this one, Snow. I'll get back to you...... ....Mary Jean says Noelle is "a long drink of water." 6' 1", ahem.....

February 11, 2010 I spoke with Alden Peterson today for about 20 minutes. Initially he was guarded, but quickly opened up and was quite chatty by the end. His wife chimed in from the background, apparently listening on a speaker phone, and was quite animated. Alden and his wife think Petey is a kook. “I’d take a lot of what he says with a grain of salt,” Alden advised. “I wouldn’t take him too seriously.” Alden said that he had distanced himself from his brother years ago, and hadn’t had any communication with him in years. Alden said that he thought Petey was in Deer Park, WA, and that his California days were long past. Alden didn’t know about any FBI investigations of Petey, and when I told Alden and his wife that Petey had been investigated twice they hooted loudly. Later, when I asked them if they thought Petey might have been CIA, or involved in some kind of covert ops, even in a half-assed way, they roared with laughter and derision. “He’d like to think he was involved with the CIA, or that kind of stuff, “ Alden said, “ but I really don’t think so.” When I specifically asked Alden if he thought his brother was a bullshit artist, he relied, “Yup.” I followed up and asked why he was so distant from his brother, and he immediately launched into long-held feelings, even fears, of his brother: Petey shot Alden in the foot with a 12-guage shotgun when Laden was a little guy. “I’ve been leery of him ever since,” Alden said, and repeated that phrase again, later in our conversation. He may even be afraid of his brother. Alden also said that Petey had done something to his wife. “He gave her a bad time.” Alden said that Petey has 5 or 6 kids, “all over the place.” Petey had two kids with a Philippino woman. The oldest is a boy, named Sheridan Jr, and the daughter is named Ginger. Prior, Petey had a wife in Bakersfield with whom he raised five kids, three of his and two of hers from a prior relationship. Mark is the oldest of the kids, and Alden thinks he lives somewhere in Washington state, but doesn’t know where. When I suggested that Mark might live in Boise, Idaho, Alden readily agreed. “Yeah, that must be him.” Alden described lots of dangerous, reckless behavior by Petey. Alden said that Petey put an axe into his foot as a smokejumper and “wasn’t any good to them after that.” Alden said Petey got kicked out of Vietnam, but doesn’t know why, but said, “It must have been something bad – who got kicked out of Vietnam?” Alden’s wife chimed in and said that Petey got kicked out of China, too. Growing up, Petey was rarely home. “He went off and joined the Marines in WWII, and I always felt he went off to all those others countries because he couldn’t get a job in the United States.” Alden confirmed that Petey had a lot of teaching jobs, but agreed with me that Petey isn't a very good writer. “Yeah, I always wondered about his writing jobs – maybe that’s why he had so many - he couldn’t hold on to any of them.” But Alden confirmed that Petey was in fact a teacher at one point in his life – a grade school in Moses Lake, WA because Alden visited Petey in his classroom. Petey is 8 and one-half years older than Alden. Alden is 76, making Petey 84. As for Cooper, Alden said: “I don’t think he had anything to do with it – although he might want you to think so. If he did, it would surprise me greatly.” Alden said that his brother is probably a lonely guy looking for attention. Alden also knows about Petey’s epic quest to publish his book.

Interview with Mary Jean Fryar, former FBI agent and supervisor at Santa Rosa, CA Field Office, February 11, 2010. Phone. FBI Investigation of Sheridan Peterson, “Petey.” Initially wary of my phone call, Mary Jean quickly warmed up and wants to know more about what is going on in the Cooper case - and with Petey, as we both called him. She remembered her investigation very clearly. “It was one of the most enjoyable experiences I had as an FBI agent,” she said merrily. Mary Jean received a “lead” from the Seattle FBI office to “locate” Sheridan Peterson and conduct an inquiry regarding Petey’s association to the Cooper case, such as his parachuting skills, and take a DNA swab. She believes the lead was generated by new DNA evidence coming forward, and it originated in Seattle, but she doesn’t remember the case agent who issued the lead. She also said that Petey fit the general metrics for DB Cooper, i.e.: age, jumper, etc. Mary Jean, accompanied by SA Noelle Devereux, located Petey living in an eight-story high-rise facility for the elderly in Santa Rosa, California. Petey was in the assisted living section. His financial means were modest. Mary Jean said that “If Petey was DB Cooper he sure wasn’t living high on the hog, now” or words to that effect. She also said that it was her understanding that Petey moved out of the facility shortly after her investigation. Mary Jean said further that Petey “had a child in the Bay Area, either a son or a daughter.” She found Petey to very charming, and that he clearly delighted in having two female FBI agents investigate him for the Cooper case. “He was a lonely guy,” said Mary Jean, “and he loved talking about the case. But he didn’t say that he was DB Cooper, or that he wasn’t.” Mary Jean said that Petey didn’t get many visitors. Mary Jean didn’t know about the 1971 investigation of Petey prior to the interview, but Petey volunteered the information. Mary Jean was very impressed with Petey’s recall and the volume of documents he has on his life, such as his skydiving log. Mary Jean said the interview was conducted in 2002 or 2003, she couldn’t recall exactly. “It was a long time ago.” Mary Jean said that she sent the DNA swab to Quantico, and that she later “received a cover” informing her that the findings were negative. Mary Jean retired from the Bureau in 2007 after 21 years of service.

I hear your plea for information, 377, and here is what I've got: Galen and I have exchanged a few phone calls and emails over the past few days about the fiery object. Here is my understanding of what Galen has discovered: Galen has some copies of Richard Tosaw’s interview notes from the 1980s. Galen and Tosaw spent some time together at Tina’s Beach over the past few years and developed a strong collegial relationship, so Galen was contacted after Tosaw’s death a few months ago and asked if he wanted some of the paperwork that had been bundled up. In those papers were copies of Tosaw’s interviews with the couple who saw the fire ball. The couple lived in a suburban development off of Mill Plain Rd in the Vancouver. They had seen TV coverage of the skyjacking at 6 pm, so they were familiar with what was on-going. At about 8 pm they left their house and saw a low-flying plane to the west, heading south. They immediately saw a brightly glowing red object in the sky directly underneath the plane. It was so bright it illuminated the aircraft. The object then burst into a glowing, fiery object and arced away to the west and then faded out. It was lit for about 5-7 seconds, 8 tops. “That must be DB Cooper’s plane,” the wife shouted. The next day the couple wrote the FBI and described what they had seen. Several days later they were visited by two men. One gentleman stayed in the car and the other, who was wearing a suit and dark coat, approached the house. He identified himself as an FBI agent but he never showed his badge or any other identification. He asked for the couple who had written the letter, and the wife confirmed that it was she who had contacted the FBI. She reported to Tosaw that the “FBI” guy then got real nasty and intimidating, and told the couple to never tell anyone, to “Keep your f…g mouths shut.” They did, and never told anyone until Richard Tosaw was on his book tour in the1980s, pitching his tome on DB Cooper. The couple saw him on TV and they contacted the TV station, and told them that they had very important information for Tosaw. The TV station facilitated the contact and Tosaw met with the couple shortly thereafter. Tosaw, apparently, never revealed to anyone that he had had this contact, and his reasons for doing so are unknown. He never told Galen when they met at Tina’s Beach. When Galen received these notes, which are copies of the originals apparently, he was recently able to contact the wife and husband, who are now divorced but still living in the Vancouver, WA area. Galen says their story checks out identically to what he read in Tosaw’s report. Galen says he contacted Sluggo because he is not able to post directly in the DZ. Galen wants this story to get out and “stir the pot, ” hoping that some kind of confirming data will come forward, or shake the FBI loose a bit, particularly Himmelsback, and get to the real story. From my point of view, it’s time Himms decides to fish or cut bait. He needs to weigh-in on this data and all the other inconsistencies that have been presented. Did the fiery object episode happen? Did he know about it? Were there other witnesses? Or, is this the statement of a wannabe? If so, how does a wannabe keep such a tight memory going? It’s been almost thirty years. C’mon, Ralph. Talk to us. Engage us in a dialogue. You, too, Russ.

QuoteMaybe Cooper asked for four chutes cause they might be Mayfield pack jobs. 377[/reply Best laugh of the day, 377. Thanks.

I guess you just can't keep a bad man down. I still havent ruled him out as Cooper. His telephone alibi isnt convincing to me. 377 Quote I agree, 377. And why does Himms seem to give him credibility, including writing in his book that Mayfield gave important assistance to the FBI's investigation. What kind of assistance, Himms? C'mon, tell us. Plus, Teddy Boy seems like a real dangerous guy. He hasn't just committed one or two offences, but a plethora. Remember, he's a murderer! C'mon! What is this guy's story????