BruceSmith

If you wait long enough, Jo will connect everything. With Area 51 now in the mix we have a vertical alternative. Cooper may have gone UP after exitng. 377 NOW, we're talking, T-S-S!

This has been an exciting week at the DZ Bar and Grill. First we had Blevs blip into the Spam-Space Continuum, and a stillness descended over the DZ like a sweet summer mist. Then G-1 says goodbye, followed by Dannie-Ten-Ten. But Miss Amazona posts several posts for the first time in a long time. And a fresh eager voice appears in the presence of Eighteen-C. Sweet.

Not to be too picky, Blevs, but what answers, if any, has the money find produced in the Norjak investigation? I'm at a loss to think of a one. Just more questions, and I love it!

Mrs. Cooper, why would Galen need to find a way to SNEAK back into the DZ when he has me to do ANY and ALL of his beckoning? What, you don't think I'm up for the task? Too busy? Hell, I don't work, shave or shower, so I've got all the time in the world to get Galen's Gospel out to the World. Besides, I have an opinion on just about everything, so why would G-2 try to snakey-snake his way onto these pages? BTW: I forget what I am, again. If G-2 is a snake in the grass, what am I. Oh, yeah, The Weasel.

I must say, Mrs. Cooper, that you caught me UN-AWARE on this one. But I find something soothing in knowing that there is now a connection between Norjak and Area 51. Don't you, too, Three-Seven-Seven???

Eighteen-C, we've had a lot of discussion here about the money - found and not found - but it is always a delight to revisit the subject. Some of the highlights of the discussion, at least my view of them, has been the following: 1. Laundering the money: This can be done in a couple of ways fairly easily, either by using casinos as a method to obtain "clean" money, heading to foreign countries and investing or gambling there, or interacting with the underground economy world-wide. Some economists say that about 30% of all transactions globally are black-market, drugs, guns, or other illegal activity, and "black" money is it own force internationally. There are even laundered financial institutions world-wide, so one never has to go back above ground. 2. Lack of incentives to search Banks have no real incentive to declare a fraudulent twenty. It's cash out of their pocket, as I do not believe they are reimbursed for the loss. Of course they would get lots of great publicity for catching a Cooper twenty, but it is problematic. 3. Inherent difficulty in spotting a Cooper twenty. Despite your claim in your post, it is my understanding that the list of numbers are not sequential. My list certainly is not, and it comes from the back of Tosaw's book. Also, you may be interested in knowing that despite published accounts to the contrary, the money was already catalogued, stacked, packed and waiting for the feds long before the skyjacking. In fact, the FBI had been anticipating this crime, or any similar extortion/hostage scenario, long before Cooper. This information was one of the Big Surprises to be revealed on the DZ back in 2008 by Larry Carr. It seems that the feds knew they could be stuck strategically if criminals conducted their crimes on weekends, took hostages, and kept them until the banks opened on a Monday morning. Hence, they stockpiled money in FBI field offices around the country, ready for the next ransom demand. 4. Other possibilities about the lack of Cooper money in circulation The fact that not a single twenty is in circulation is intriguing, and could be a major clue in itself. It suggests a number of wild ideas - could Cooper have made one big cash deal somewhere and exchanged his 196,200 dollars for something else? Could he have further blackmailed the USG into giving him fresh money for not revealing state secrets, ie: illegal activities in Vietnam? Or my favorite: did Cooper take the twenties to a foreign country, such as the Soviet Union or North Korea, have all the ink bleached off the paper, have them reprinted by an expert counterfeiter as US $100 bills, and reintroduced to the world's financial markets via those state institutions? How big do you want to take this? The sky's the limit when you get beyond the notion that DB Cooper was a simple crook and acted alone. That may be one of the primary contributions of Jo Weber regarding the disinformation that she spews - getting us to think that DB Cooper was a guy like Duane Weber. Nah. Cooper was smarter than the pilots, knew more about the 727 than NWO, and he turned the world on its ear. You have to think big, I say, to catch DB Cooper. When you start looking at the Ted Bradens, Peteys, and Don Burnworths of the world, then you are getting closer to the truth. I agree with Robert Ninety-Nine that when we discover DB Cooper, his name may be a complete surprise.

Wifey is a real piece of work - leaving her hubby in the desert with 200 guys looking for him? Whew. Odd that Dickie could stroll into the soda shop and get a ride. Where were the cops???? Yes, Danny's demeanor is very telling. I think it is a major clue, the guys in Special Forces feel it is one of the tells that reveals to them that Danny was one of them. "Another day in the office," is how one characterized DB's behavior. Although, there are some variations on that. One report has Tina saying that Danny jumped up and down like a giddy child when the money came in. Yet, in comparison to DBC, though, Dickie was pretty jumpy - and the con being transported spotted him right away. "We" versus "I," eh? I'll have to check that out. I missed that! One more thing on the group aspect of the skyjacks - when I was talking with O'Hara (thanks to Miss Vickie) I asked him about the McCoy connection to Norjak and he began to hedge, saying, "You'd better talk to the guys at Salt Lake City - they were more into that than anyone else." I pushed him a little further, asking about a group operation (as I remember) and he dug in his heels right away and then clammed up. I was surprised because we'd been pretty chatty up until then.

Whatcha think of the Real McCoy? In particular, Rhodes" interviews with agents that had participated in the Reno evidence retrieval? When Bernie characterizes some of them acting as if they were "under the influence of a post-hypnotic suggestion," and that no one remembers the tie, those bits got my attention Big Time. You? Really enjoyed The Real McCoy. Great read whether the reader considers the connection to Flight 305 accurate or not. I will have to revisit the book and seek the section you specifically refer to. RFM had one hell of an interesting life, and if not for it being overshadowed by DBC's legendary deeds, would probably already have been turned into a mini-series or movie IMO. Yup, McCoy had an interesting life - first he was a hero in Vietnam and then is tops in his LE class at BYU. Then he steals an airplane and half-a-mil. Then he escapes twice from federal custody, and lives on the lam as a hard core bank robber, only to be betrayed, allegedly by his wife, and corralled by the feds in Virginny Beach. But wait! There's more - After his "death" he is supposedly turned into a super spy, according to Bobby Knoss. But not before Duane gets really drunk and crawls around da beach and tells Mrs. Cooper that he is responsible for someone dying, presumably Dickie McCoy. What I'd really like to know is, how did he make it to the ground in Provo when 200 LE were looking for him and tracking his way to the ground? Sounds like the feds had a real tough time with skyjackers once they made it to the ground, such as with Danny and Dickie. As for the connection between Dickie and Flight 305, Russ Calame was unshakeable about McCoy being DB Cooper when I talked with Russ back a few years. At the time I wondered if Russ' view had strong merit and that perhaps DB tutored Dickie or they were part of some kind of skyjacking team. To wit - WTH was Dickie doing in Vegas when 305 was going to Reno? Lots of guys sure didn't want to spend T-Day at home that year. Plus Dickie sure refined Danny's methodology, and got 300K extra for his efforts - too bad he didn't know how to keep his mouth shut, or where to stash his loot. Plus it sounds like he had a cranky wife and sister in law, so I would say the cards were stacked against him on that front. I love the fact that Dickie was part of the aerial search for himself the day after.....ya can't make this stuff up. As for Bernie, he is keeping his mouth shut - no one has ever spoken to him, as far as I know. Bernie is down in the Tampa-St Pete area, and I need to knock on his door and see what's cookin'. Not even GG got a peep out of him. BTW: Nick O'Hara, the guy who allegedly shot McCoy in VB is best friends with Bernie and vacations with him in Florida. Lastly, I'd love to know more about the wife. She and her kids ain't talking, even though GG really pounded the pavement in Provo looking for them. Nick got a giant belly laugh when I asked him about the wife and how I could get a hold of her. Imagine if Bobby B did his "nice" routine and asked for an interview. I would think that she would eat him for lunch and not even burp.

Whatcha think of the Real McCoy? In particular, Rhodes" interviews with agents that had participated in the Reno evidence retrieval? When Bernie characterizes some of them acting as if they were "under the influence of a post-hypnotic suggestion," and that no one remembers the tie, those bits got my attention Big Time. You?

Not exactly, Eighteen-C, what does your handle mean to you? The fact that you use a seat number from Flight 305 as a moniker shows that you have done some reading, such as RH-1's book, and probably others - Calame? Tosaw? If you'd like to read more, I'm happy to send an e-draft of my book along to ya. Free. brucesmith at rainierconnect dot com.

Thanks for your thoughts and support there. I should have mentioned it earlier, but I'll do it now, the "Through The Lens of Logic" series of videos by SafecrackingPLF seemed to be very worthwhile, but then conclude almost all too suddenly. I got the impression he stopped rather than finished? I will re-visit the last couple of videos. But that's the impression I got. OOPS! I was wrong. Tina sat in the other aisle seat, 18 - D. RH-1 got that wrong in his book. Billy Mitchell says he sat in 18 - B, put his books in 18- C and coat in 18- A. DBC sat in 18 - E, and left his tie there.

I very much like the notion of a late arrival at Tina Bar. 1-2 years feels about right considering what folks have said about dredge layers, etc. A couple of things get in the way, though: 1. The money was compressed. In fact, reports are that the money was essentially stuck together and Mrs. Ingram soaked the money for a while to see if she could get the twenties to separate. I haven't gotten any confirmation from Brian on this, but G-1 went into much detail on this with me on the phone about a year ago when there was a thaw in our relationship, which no longer exists - sigh. So this suggests that the money was buried somewhere for a lengthy period of time. 2. The lack of a plume field This is very intriguing and suggests that the money was planted. I asked Brian about this in Portland in 2011 and he specifically told me, with a belly laugh, that he and his family spent the rest of the day "looking for more money!" They didn't a thing, he says. However, plenty of folks deny this, including lots of FBI agents who claim they found tidbits and fragments all over the place. The locations and amounts vary greatly, though, depending on whom you talk with. But the documentation on their accounts is missing, or at least is not in Seattle, as far as I know. Also missing are all the tidbits they reportedly found. Yet, G-2 says that he has found fishermen who found fragments at T-Bar in the weeks prior to Brian's find in February 1980. But these guys can't back-up their story either, so it dangles in space as a possibility. 3. Arrangement of the bills. I find this topic to be very interesting. The three bundles were found stacked upon each other, but not at precise angles. This suggests that somebody buried them there and they weren't washed up. But G-1 makes a great argument for not burying the bills, namely, no one would ever find them so why bury them? Hide them for later retrieval? If so, then why not bury them in a safer place and in some kind of protective container, etc. From that, other theories get a bit further out. One of my favorites is that the money was intentionally buried as part of an MKULTRA exercise to condition participants that they were actually DB Cooper and were planting their loot for a later retrieval. This suggests that there are multiple people who firmly believe they are DB Cooper, and that is what the evidence tells us, such as Duane, LD, and Barb. We do have 922 confessees, so there may be more. This latter notion also requires an investigation of the Cooper Vortex phenomenon, which is the theory that the DB Cooper case has very strong emotional impacts on certain people, such as the folks here at the DZ and the gentlemen who claim to be DB Cooper (and women, such as Barb Dayton). Such as it is, the DB Cooper case has many facets and they quickly get intertwined and it takes a lot of work to follow a thread of evidence into any conclusive place. By the way, the sign at the beach says "Tina Bar," not Tena Bar. I know that the latter is used by a lot of folks but I feel that it is a purposeful distraction to the interesting fact that the primary witness to the skyjacking, Tina Mucklow, was living a few miles upstream at the time of the money find. Lastly, I love aisle seats, too!. But the person who spent most of the time in 18C on November 24, 1971 was Tina M. Not sure you knew this, so I'm passing it on. Or maybe you do! Tell us more....

I ain't afraid of guys with big forks, Miss Amazona. What truly frightens me are women with knives. Not sure why. I haven't made it that far in therapy, I suppose....

How many moderators do we have? Meso? Hmmmm. I vaguely remember seeing that name somewhere, or I was hungry and thinking miso soup. I'll give it a try.

No good deed goes unpunished. I read that somewhere. Maybe it's a cyber attack, Mrs. Cooper. The FBI read your recent posts, and realizing how close you are to solving Norjak they sabotaged your postings, disguised as a banning of Bobby. But Minds Like Ours are too slick for them. Justice will prevail.

No good deed goes unpunished. I read that somewhere.

Bobby Update, Tuesday, August 19, 2014 Bobby B is still lost, but I received another PM from him and he says that his DZ World is functioning normally. He can see our posts and his just fine! Further, he thinks those of us who can't see him have been bounced from the DZ by the Powers That Be. Yet, conventional thinking as expressed above appears to feel that the Spam Button has teleported Blevs to an Alternate Universe, but Shutter seems to have a portal to Bobby's current position in the Space-Time Continuum. So, the Spam Button may have powers that exceed merely zapping individual posters from the collective. Given the data that is available presently, the Spam Button (SB), arguably, has the ability to alter reality as we know it. Who will be next to experiment with the SB? Not me. Just sayin'. Just when we need Georger, he goes Super-Cranky on us and leaves. Typical Physicist! Lastly, Sangiro has yet to respond to the PM I sent him asking for a clarification of the WTF is happening. Maybe the moderator is responding but we just can't read it? Whew, living interdimensionally can get a little confusing. I think I'll get another cup of coffee. Yes, I know it's 2:01 pm Pacific Time, but I tend to live on the other side of the clock.

Wow, Shut, you have become the portal to Blevins World! What's that like? You thought you have troubles running an alternative DB Cooper site, wait until you become world-renown as an interdimensional emissary! So, Mark Bennett thinks you are like the kid from Sixth Sense - "I can see Robert Blevins." I think you might be like a dark hole, able to bridge Ordinary Matter with Mirror Matter. Is Blevs lost in the Mirror World?

You ARE damn right he did his homework....a call was placed to a man with Boeing who was a friend of Duane's brother - none other than Stanley McGuilliam. Stanley Gilliams wife was the daugter of Duane' mothers' best friend and the 2 children were born a month apart. Mrs Weber - Duane's mother was Best friends with the mother of Stanley Gilliams wife. Stanley Gilliams wife was born Eunice Barth. --- THINK about this for a while before you jump the gun. The Barth brothers where instrumental in the Weber's moving to CA. One of the Barth brothers live in WA. A man by the name of Barth was also instrumental in Duane NOT being encarcerate on site at McNeil. That was the friends of the family who intervened to keep Duane out of McNeil - There were other family connections in WA. Duane's mother used to go to see them in WA when Duane was a young boy - and she took Duane on those trips. Duane & the woman who became Stanley Gillaim's wife were born ONE month apart - their mother's were best friends. Stanley met his bride thru these family connections.. Louise Barth (Eunice Barth's mother) and Lorraine Wenz Beechler (Duane Weber's mother) were BEST friends and often traveled between Ohio, Wa and Ca to see each other. The Wuestney was the connection. I finally found what Duane's sister so desperately tried to tell me in my last phone call with her...She told me to write it down - but the storm just hit and I do NOT mean the Great Tornado Lorraine in Ohio. GUYS this is OVER! Louise and Lorraine gave birth to a girl and a boy in 1924 one month apart. That would be Duane and Eunice who would become the bride of Stanley Gilliam....many yrs later. IF you GUYS do NOT see it NOW then YOU NEVER WILL! Duane grew up to become a criminal and Eunice married Gilliam who was a friend of JOHN Weber (Duane's brother). IF you don't get it now you never will! THIS is OVER and I do mean OVER. I have SAT on this hoping the FAMILY of Gilliam would finally come forward - but there are things that will not wait on MOTHER time & I have to tell this NOW. Copy this post and KEEP it forever. The KEY that unlocks the SECRETS. The words that Duane's sister said on the PHONE the last time we got to speak to each other. She wanted me to know, but I expect her son did not want the family secrets known...he was career military. Learn about the past of John Collins (Duane's brother and Stanley Gilliam) and then weep for the LOST yrs. I tried to tell the FBI this for YRS and NO one would listen. Both John & Stanley worked for Boeing at the same time in WA - they where very good friends. Duane used and abused that friendship to commit the only unsolve skyjacking in history. Duane and Stanley's wife were born 1 month apart. The mother of Stanley's wife was a very dear Friend of Duane's mother & they made trips to see each other often. This journey is coming to an end very soon and I also have some information for Vickie...but, she has not answered my email... Vickie CALL me! or Email me.

Update II Bobby just replied to my PM and says that as far as he is concerned he is still posting here. He says he can see all posts, including his. He feels it must be some kind of server problem at the DZ. I don't think so, Bobby...just sayin'. Too weird, and too specific to you. Know what I'm sayin'?

Update on the Search for Bobby: As of midnight, Monday 8. 18. 14, Bobby is still lost in action. I have PM'd Sangiro asking for information, and I have sent PMs to Bobby, Robert99 and others asking for information, plus emails to a bunch of others. I had forgotten how many folks are blocking my emails, PMs, etc. Whew. Anyway, I got zip. Further, Bobby was apparently posting here as he disappeared. On Shut's site, Mr Shutter says that he was corresponding with Blevs here at the DZ throughout the afternoon and apparently had contact with him in an extended fashion since he never shut down his computer. However, once he did turn off his rig his connection to Bobby B was severed.

Congratulations on achieving invisibility, Miss Amazona. How are you at teleportation? Any tips?

WOW. Where is Bobby? Has he been disappeared? Mrs. Cooper just called me asking if I knew anything about Bobby's adios, and she says that she has gone back millennia to see if any of his posts remain, but they all seem to be gone. Of course, I'm enjoying the quietude here as much as anyone else, but I'm just askin'.

Via con Dios.

Thanks for another tid-bit, Jo, about the cracks in your story, like the piece you used to tell that you had never heard of DB Cooper until Duane's confession in 1995.