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137 children killed in 2008 by Gun accidents in my oppinion, is not a small number I'm a gun owner myself, I'm just saying that children pay a high price for that right to own guns.

It pretty much happens on a daily basis, children pay a high price for our right to own guns, hundreds are killed and maimed every year. “It's just an awful tragedy,” said Stanwood resident Mike Ofstad. “I'm amazed it could happen in a small town like this but I suppose it could happen anywhere" Evidently, Gun safety is only a big city concern.

Yep. And the government certainly made sure to let them know under no unceretain terms that they weren't appreciated. Arrests and water cannons - roundly cheered by much of the population, were preferred tactics. We have a history in the US of celebrating these people. We have Independence Day, George Washington's birthday, MLK Day. The latter espouswd civil disobedience. The former two regarded armed revolt. Here's the rule John: when it's their side it's "civil disobedience." When it's not their side it's "domestic terrorism.". When they are OWS protestesters blocking streets and offices, stealing everything that's not bolted down, destroying windows, barricading, and turning whatever location they are in into a bio-hazard, they are applauded because they blame business for taking what the government gives them because business is too powerful. Comparing the non-violence of the civil rights movement with modern day sovereigns is just silly. Can you cite any mainstream Democratic leaders that condone any violence or theft by OWS? They don't like paying taxes and registering their uninsured vehicles? Fuck them, who does. Have one slam in to your car and see how that works out for you. Better yet, you know the law, why don't you go cash in on that big secret Government bank account they claim that's in your name. Some times, you guys on the right can make lucid and intelligent arguments for your side, they make me pause and think. Other times, any stance that is just plain bizarre, but as long at it's anti-government and anti- Obama will always gets the seal of approval.

One of my favorite quotes "I have more guns than I need, but less guns than I want."

I jumped a rental Navigator 260 for my first 75 jumps then bought a 250ish Falcon for 300 bucks. For me there was a huge difference between the hybrid Navigator over the F111 Falcon. I now have a Solo 250 and am looking to go down to a 220-230.

Game change premiers tonight on HBO, check your local listings. http://nocache.hbo.com/

I saw these in the classifieds, they were being offered extra with purchasing a container and reserve. Maybe you saw it. PD 280 - matching colors to the rig, 350 jumps with new dacron lines - $450 Navigator 260 - 400 jumps and some patches - dacron lines - $850 PD 260 - mint canopy with only 10 jumps, microlines - $650 Navigator 240 - 250 jumps and dacron lines - $1250

Comparing Rosa Parks with Sovereigns? that's priceless, your on a roll now.

So when you complain, against the war in Iraq, airport security and the Patriot Act, then that makes YOU a "subversive"? Do you really not see a diference?

*** Sure, a few of them go too far to ignore, and then they deserve prosecution. That's true of any group of people. A few skydivers have been known to smuggle illegal drugs. However, that does not mean that the United States Parachute Association should be put on the DEA's watch list as a drug-smuggling gang. Let's be careful about taking the actions of a few extremists, and using that to characterize an entire movement. *** Your post was deliberatley misleading, your attempt to use the FBI source to show the group harmless was a farce. If your oppinion is that the the group is harmless, that's one thing, intentionally posting mis-information is the sign of a man that does not believe in his convictions. How much other bullshit have you posted? Characterizing a whole movement as extremist because they dont pay taxes of any sort, do not recognize the government or any law enforcment agency, is not going too far out on a limb. You remind of a qoute from my favorite movie, Dr. Strangelove; "I think I'd like to hold off judgment on a thing like that, sir, until all the facts are in...I don't think it's quite fair to condemn the whole program because of a single slip up, sir." General Buck Turgidson

I think it could mean: "We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness." ....and that this singing group believes that the BOR is founded in that principle. Oooo SMACK!! You miss the point. These girls are claiming that up until Santorum, there was no one who understood that God gave the US the BOR? Not Gingrich, Romney, Perry or even Dubya? These girls know no better, they have not watched any TV, read any secular magazines and have been home schooled; their like little blonde North Koreans. It is right out of the GOP handbook, attack the opponents faith. Given your description of the girls, sounds like the 'attack the opponent's faith' is actually the Dem handbook....but then, we already knew that. Have you ever attacked Obama on his Christian faith?

Funny. http://www.forbes.com/sites/rickungar/2012/03/10/plaintiff-in-landmark-anti-obamacare-lawsuit-bankrupted-by-medical-bills-you-and-i-pick-up-her-tab/

Are you just pretending to be ignorant? put a couple of Black panthers outside a polling station and the sky is falling, don't pay your taxes and shoot cops and it's all good. https://www.google.com/#hl=en&sclient=psy-ab&q=SOVERIEGN+POLICE+SHOOTING&oq=SOVERIEGN+POLICE+SHOOTING&aq=f&aqi=g-bl1&aql=&gs_sm=3&gs_upl=245l4065l1l4402l15l15l0l0l0l0l99l1255l15l15l0&gs_l=hp.3..0i8i13.245l4065l1l4403l15l15l0l0l0l0l99l1255l15l15l0&pbx=1&bav=on.2,or.r_gc.r_pw.r_cp.r_qf.,cf.osb&fp=60ef1a895b9d7f77&biw=1090&bih=466

From the FBI: "They could be dismissed as a nuisance, a loose network of individuals living in the United States who call themselves “sovereign citizens” and believe that federal, state, and local governments operate illegally. Some of their actions, although quirky, are not crimes. The offenses they do commit seem minor: They do not pay their taxes and regularly create false license plates, driver’s licenses, and even currency..."OMG! There are people who don't want to pay their taxes! We're all going to die! Run for your lives! You left out just a little bit. tricky tricky tricky. They could be dismissed as a nuisance, a loose network of individuals living in the United States who call themselves “sovereign citizens” and believe that federal, state, and local governments operate illegally. Some of their actions, although quirky, are not crimes. The offenses they do commit seem minor: They do not pay their taxes and regularly create false license plates, driver’s licenses, and even currency. However, a closer look at sovereign citizens’ more severe crimes, from financial scams to impersonating or threatening law enforcement officials, gives reason for concern. If someone challenges (e.g., a standard traffic stop for false license plates) their ideology, the behavior of these sovereign-citizen extremists quickly can escalate to violence. Since 2000, lone-offender sovereign-citizen extremists have killed six law enforcement officers. In 2010, two Arkansas police officers stopped sovereign-citizen extremists Jerry Kane and his 16-year-old son Joseph during a routine traffic stop on Interstate 40. Joseph Kane jumped out of the vehicle and opened fire with an AK-47 assault rifle, killing both officers. The sovereign-citizen threat likely will grow as the nationwide movement is fueled by the Internet, the economic downturn, and seminars held across the country that spread their ideology and show people how they can tap into funds and eliminate debt through fraudulent methods. As sovereign citizens’ numbers grow, so do the chances of contact with law enforcement and, thus, the risks that incidents will end in violence. Law enforcement and judicial officials must understand the sovereign-citizen movement, be able to identify indicators, and know how to protect themselves from the group’s threatening tactics. Ideology and Motivation http://www.fbi.gov/stats-services/publications/law-enforcement-bulletin/september-2011/sovereign-citizens

That's not my description, but comes from the little ladies them selves. The video was taped in front of the Jubilee Christian center in tulsa, world famous for it's in depth and challenging biblical studies,

http://www.dmv.org/fl-florida/id-cards.php Florida does not - touche. Your hypothetical two-job mom had to have ID to get the job. She had to have ID to open a bank account for her payroll or to cash her checks. She had to have ID to buy/rent a house. She had to have ID to go to the doc or pick up prescriptions. So, given that your two-job mom had to have ID for all that, Florida charging 25 bucks for an ID is immaterial to your argument. Touche. Here's a heart warmer; http://www.washingtonmonthly.com/political-animal/2011_12/voterid_schemes_keep_snagging033927.php

I think it could mean: "We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness." ....and that this singing group believes that the BOR is founded in that principle. Oooo SMACK!! You miss the point. These girls are claiming that up until Santorum, there was no one who understood that God gave the US the BOR? Not Gingrich, Romney, Perry or even Dubya? These girls know no better, they have not watched any TV, read any secular magazines and have been home schooled; their like little blonde North Koreans. It is right out of the GOP handbook, attack the opponents faith.

If your saying you aren't racist, I will take you at your word.

So your peeps COULD be providing a voter card, but that would solve the patent problem? Would you support a voter card? It would be a fine compromise, wouldn't it? Or would you rather risk voter fraud? As with everything, I believe in a measured response.

I think it could mean: "We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness." ....and that this singing group believes that the BOR is founded in that principle. 99.99% of all nationally elected officials have been Christain, 100% of the presidents. But until now they have not believed in God like Santorum? WTF? BTW, God gave man these rights and then simultaneously slaughtered and enslaved them, LOL.

I give up? How are they? If you are going to make a statement that they need ID to cash their SSI checks, then show examples where that is the case. I suspect they have electronic deposit, maybe you have not heard of that before. Maybe their 'son' or 'neighbor' takes the check to the bank for them and maybe it is a small town so of course the bank knows everyone and does not require ID. Maybe they have neighbors to take them on a errand run once in a while. Maybe your argument is bullshit. Just maybe. For some, it seems far more likely that our country will be overrun by illegal born brown skinned people stuffing the ballot boxes as opposed to facing actual reality. Where would the Republicans be without the fear factor?

Most laws allow time off work to vote, and there is early voting. Do you ever listen to what you are saying? I guess you guys don't care about the elderly. how fucked up is that? I would be ashamed. http://www.aarp.org/politics-society/government-elections/info-09-2011/photo-id-laws-impact-wi.html

'We finally got a man who understands that God gave the bill of of rights" WTF does that mean?

They kind of look like quiverfull nuts, but if you look closely , a few of the girls are wearing pants; this slutty type of behavior is not tolerated with quiverfull. I did see the Duggar zealots were helping with the his campaign.

His video does a great job representing the diversity of our country, I had to wear my shades.