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Bump, I was wondering if anyne has suggestions on how to practice a flare turn. I found this technique very useful recently while landing out in the the desert in eloy. I can't remeber how I knew how to do this, for me it was just combining a flat turn in to my flare. Have you seen my pants? it"s a rough life, Livin' the dream >:)

Excellent commentary!!! Have you seen my pants? it"s a rough life, Livin' the dream >:)

Just buy new clothes Have you seen my pants? it"s a rough life, Livin' the dream >:)

Giv'r! get video! Have you seen my pants? it"s a rough life, Livin' the dream >:)

Rest is one of the desires of the soul. And what is this soul you speak of? Have you seen my pants? it"s a rough life, Livin' the dream >:)

You may feel differently someday. The soul is a very deep thing. It becomes increasingly difficult to satisfy it with objects of the flesh. Eat, fuck, skydive all you want, but at least stay open to the deeper desires of the soul as they begin to hunger more and more. What are the other deeper desires of the soul? I wanna eat, I wanna Fuck, and I wanna skydive... If I could do that everyday I would be in heaven. In the mean time Im happy knowing once this life is over I can finally get some fucking sleep! Have you seen my pants? it"s a rough life, Livin' the dream >:)

There is no higher purpose to this life. Your only function as a living being to fuck another of your species and procreate, feed your offspring, protect them until they can survive on thier own and insure the survival of your species. once this is done you can go skydive. So basically Eat, Fuck, Skydive! Life is simple. There is no need for god. Have you seen my pants? it"s a rough life, Livin' the dream >:)

Thats too bad you feel that way. Im pretty damn happy person. I get all the fulfillment I need in life everytime the bartender pours me a pint and my personal method to happiness is nothing more than boobies. Boobies and beer, life is good!!! Have you seen my pants? it"s a rough life, Livin' the dream >:)

Me and andrew are in Utah right now... just drove 1800km today... another 1000km to go tomorrow. Then we get to play set up a tent drunk in the dark! Have you seen my pants? it"s a rough life, Livin' the dream >:)

I definatly agree that there is something very strange about building 7 collapsing. This was a MAJOR structural failure. Look at building that fall after an earthquake, they o suffer majr structural damage and may be on fire as well... yet they dont implode into thier own footprint Have you seen my pants? it"s a rough life, Livin' the dream >:)

Im sayin that this is nothing like I have seen before. No that it isnt achievable. In my industry quality is very high so if it were me doing this salvage work, there is no way it would look like this when i was done with it. As BG has pointed out there are ways in which this outcome is possible, although very sloppy and ineffective procedures, I can see how the slag could end up on both sides. After looking a little deeper into what monsters some of these colums were and the procedure and equipment that would be required to cut them I can see this being a possible outcome... but if I were on this site my cuts would be much nicer I would still LOVE to see what thermite would do a standard structural column, or how these columns are actually brought down in a controlled demo. (doing searches on building demo just brings up a ton off 911 related misinformation) Have you seen my pants? it"s a rough life, Livin' the dream >:)

No doubt, I'd to play with one tho!! Have you seen my pants? it"s a rough life, Livin' the dream >:)

FUCK... I just hit the back button on my browser and deleted 15 minutes of typing (goes and gets another beer) I have no desire to retype what I just lost right now... anyway, check out this website http://911research.wtc7.net/wtc/arch/core.html Has some images of the columns. Interesting stuff. This one has some good info on the demolition crew and what they were working withhttp://11-settembre.blogspot.com/2007/04/real-world-tests-cut-through-steel.html Anyone know what happens to steel column during a controlled demo? Are weakened first or are they cut using explosives such as thermite? Have you seen my pants? it"s a rough life, Livin' the dream >:)

Yup I agree that the pieces shown there were cut by a torch. I know I've seen pictures of what happened to some of the steel in the collapse, amazing stuff! Gotta wonder what kind of forces were in place to do that stuff. I'm still not sure I understand how you explain the slag on the outside of the column tho. Have you seen my pants? it"s a rough life, Livin' the dream >:)

Ya I thats probly where I sit now. I used to smoke alot 5 years ago then I got into a career where I have to drug test pretty frequently so that pretty much put a stop to me smoking pot. I dont think I would be a habitual smoker if I didnt have to worry about having to test for it but there definatly would have been times when I wouldn't have said no. Have you seen my pants? it"s a rough life, Livin' the dream >:)

Im not saying how the beam was cut. I'm not taking sides here as to who dunnit. I've never said it was cut with thermate although this is what the conspiracy theorists are saying. I've never said if I thought it was cut pre or post collapse. I asked for your opinion on how it was cut and I dont agree with your theories. So nw were having a good pissing match. (The engineers Ive had to deal with have not helped my thoughts toward your opinions so yes Im biased. Try having to do whatever they tell you at work even though you know its not going to work and then do it anyway just to have to cut shit apart again and give thier next imagineered idea, just to cut it apart again... for six fucking months! They still havent figured it out...) I just don't belive that it was cut with a torch. Yes carbon arc may be use in demolition, but for cutting these columns I do not seeing it as being at all all practical. An oxy fuel torch would definatly be the way to go. So if an oxy fuel torch was used to cut these columns, how come the slag is on the outside of the column? For the slag to be on the outside of the column you would have to cut from inside the column. What was the cutting procedure used to have these results? I will say that I think that if these cuts were made pre-collapse that the slag probobly would have been removed during the collapse. But then again, slag can be pretty damn strong and I imagine this slag is pretty thick based on the thickness of the steel. What do you estimate the thickness of the steel to be in the columns? I would guess arund 2". The columns dont appear to show any signs of being damaged by the collapse. I would expect to see scarring on steel. so maybe the slag could still be intact after a collapse. Have you seen my pants? it"s a rough life, Livin' the dream >:)

I'm sure someone will port pics of me running around naked drunk as hell at eloy on dec 25... Merry XXXmas suckers! Have you seen my pants? it"s a rough life, Livin' the dream >:)

Such as living in a bus

Thats okay man, Im pickin up what your puttin down. Have you seen my pants? it"s a rough life, Livin' the dream >:)

DUDE.... Whats goin on man? Have you seen my pants? it"s a rough life, Livin' the dream >:)

In reply to another thread that is now in SC. People seem hesitant to ansewer the question due to privacy reasons so Im starting a poll. Let try to keep this discussion to personal use experience. Cheers Edit to add, I should have a poll option for on occasion, like every few years... but i forgot... please add your vote to on occasion Have you seen my pants? it"s a rough life, Livin' the dream >:)

Ummm this is exactly what I would exect to see left behind if I were to cut something using only an electric arc, with no pressure removing the slag. This is a HUGE amount of slag left behind. But hey, maybe your an imagineer and you have a bunch of welderers working for you.... I'm an alberta journyman welder,B preseure,CWB / TSSA: SMAW,FCAW, GMAW all posiotion, red seal certified. We are among the most highly regarded and highly skilled welders in the world. We are recruited for the most demanding welding jobs in the world. I probobly turn down more 6 figure jobs in a year than most people apply for in thier lifetime. I am pretty sure I understand the practical applications of the useless crap engineers come up with, Gotta love getting yor engineered drawing every mornig and pulling out your red marker and making multiple changes just to send it back to imagination land. Or maybe you just work with some underskilled scabs who are unable to make even a simple demolition cut without leaving slag on the parents material. WTF kind of bullshit are you trying to feed me? During a demolition you would be using a demo torch (much higher oxy fuel pressure) then required to make a nice weld joint prep. It would blow the slag 50ft from the cut joint and leave very little to no slag behind... On both sides of the cut? there must be some seriously scabby fucking welders in NY, even the junk yard torch labourers here know how to make nice salvage cut.... I need a new red sharpie Have you seen my pants? it"s a rough life, Livin' the dream >:)

Carbon arc is NEVER used in a demolition / recovery setting... its not an economical process weather it be time or finacial. Are you and engineer or an imagineer? Have you seen my pants? it"s a rough life, Livin' the dream >:)

When the goal is to make a cut as quickly as possible neatness definatly counts. Cutting thicker steel can go shitty very quicky if your not careful with your cut. Also when doing demolition type work you would typcally use a larger torch tip with higher oxy-fuel pressures. This makes the cut more effective just not very "neat" It definatly blasts the slag away from the cut area. Have you seen my pants? it"s a rough life, Livin' the dream >:)

If I was able to see a close up of the cut I could tell you exactly what was or wasn't used to cut this steel. But by the amount of slag still left pn the steel im willing to bet it wasn't cut using oxy-fuel or carbon arc. These processes tend to blow the slag away from the cut, not let it run down the side of the steel being cut. Have you seen my pants? it"s a rough life, Livin' the dream >:)