RhondaLea

"Girls' night out." Sorry, dude. If you don't know where you're going, you should know where you came from. Gullah Proverb

Ah. I see. Well, I think we'll do better with a woman on video, so I guess he's out of a job. If you don't know where you're going, you should know where you came from. Gullah Proverb

I'm pretty sure you're real. Unless that was your evil clone who came out here. (But then again, wouldn't you have to be real to have a clone made of you?) Evil clone? Moi? I think we should clone you. Amy could make a bundle. But it was people like you and Amy who led me astray in the first place--if all skydivers were like you (and my asshole friend below), I'd still be at the dropzone. Shutup, Vinny. rl If you don't know where you're going, you should know where you came from. Gullah Proverb

Why are you blushing? There was an argument in SC (nothing new there), and Jeanne and I both said the same thing--more than once--in a choice between a dumb guy and a smart woman, we'll both take the woman. It's not rocket science. rl If you don't know where you're going, you should know where you came from. Gullah Proverb

I'm not real: http://www.dropzone.com/cgi-bin/forum/gforum.cgi?post=1994741#1994741 I think she really is some computer generated post whore. Something Sangiro invented in his lab just to fuck with perverted post whores like me. I may just make this my new sig, now that you've reminded me. rl If you don't know where you're going, you should know where you came from. Gullah Proverb

GMTA.

Ain't that the truth Well, I looked at her website, and I'm seriously thinking about buying some. rl If you don't know where you're going, you should know where you came from. Gullah Proverb

I voted "heterosexual" because I have a strong preference for men. But as I said several times in a thread in SC, given the choice between a stupid man and a not-stupid woman, I'd pick the woman. rl If you don't know where you're going, you should know where you came from. Gullah Proverb

Apparently you didn't actually read my reply to Walt. If you can't figure it out, I can't help you. rl P.S. Two things: You'd best be absolutely sure he's guilty. You're going to feel bad if he turns out not to be after all. And being there for him doesn't mean lying for him. It doesn't mean saying anything to anyone but him at all. If you don't know where you're going, you should know where you came from. Gullah Proverb

Much like cough syrup being a key ingredient of meth, flour is a key ingredient of cookies. And those will destroy your life. Alex, someone needs to take your car keys and your grocery discount card. rl If you don't know where you're going, you should know where you came from. Gullah Proverb

That's an entirely different question, and not one for this thread. rl If you don't know where you're going, you should know where you came from. Gullah Proverb

First of all, skydivers barter a lot, and what they choose to barter is up to them, not you. Second of all, if a hooker were to show up at a dropzone, the better offer she might make is instruction in the of bestowing sexual favors. And finally, that's not what was offered. Comprehension skills are important. Get some. rl If you don't know where you're going, you should know where you came from. Gullah Proverb

WHat kind of a cock end transports flour in condoms? When I was in school, we used to fill them with water and launch them at the frat boys when they tried to reinvent panty raids. Seems to me this in no more juvenile than flour in someone's rig, eh? rl If you don't know where you're going, you should know where you came from. Gullah Proverb

Do you think it is more or less reprehensible than being an enabler or even someone who is a friend but encourages bad behavior? Walt Different issue, I think. I have a person in my life right now who is not even my friend, but I support her nonetheless when she makes good choices (rarely). I do not, however, encourage or enable her bad behavior. I don't tell her not to do things, but I refuse to agree with her justifications for the things she does. I do not believe in enabling. I do not give money or encouragement to people with drug/drinking or other ongoing self-imposed problems, and I do not support their necessarily warped view of how the world works. It's a very fine line to walk, however, and it's easy to deviate from the path if one is not careful. If you go to jail for a DUI, I won't give you bail money, but I will put money in your account and send you reading material while you're there so you can have the basic necessities the jail does not provide. In the case of the OP, I can't think of anything I wouldn't do to help if he were my friend. What a situation to be in. On the other hand, I try to avoid becoming friends with people who have out-of-control drinking and drug problems, particularly when those problems are coupled with a delusion about their ability to handle their drug/drinking problem. But if someone came to me looking for support in attempting to get clean, I'd be right there. There isn't much you can do to support someone who thinks they don't have a problem. You can, as I said above, encourage the good choices they make. And if someone is your friend and they get into trouble, then you have to do what is within your power to do, or you never were a friend. All that's not very helpful. It's more easily explained by example, and I don't really want to give any. I guess it's the difference between saying no to the street people and contributing regularly to the food bank. I do both, and I try to do about the same in the rest of my life. I've been known to slip up, but most of the time, I've got a pretty good handle on it. The key is doing things that will allow someone the power and mastery to help themselves. That's how to be a friend, that's how to be supportive of a person without supporting their bad actions. So after all that long-windedness that I have no hope of editing down to size, both are equally bad. rl If you don't know where you're going, you should know where you came from. Gullah Proverb

...and there are still a few of us around.

That would be my guess. As mentioned above, the correct word is "atypical." Even using two words, i.e., "not typical" would have been better. But stay tuned, because a little later, when I'm feeling more motivated (read "more awake"), I'm going to run upstairs and check the OED. rl If you don't know where you're going, you should know where you came from. Gullah Proverb

Unfortunately, it is. But only in America. The English have not stooped so low. Yet. http://www.answers.com/untypical If you don't know where you're going, you should know where you came from. Gullah Proverb

Thats a bit of a dumb statement. In the current climate of hightened alert do you really think an officer or security official would be dipping there finger into an unknown white powdered substance and tasting it Scoop, honey, what kind of drug looks like flour? Seriously. If it looked like flour, I'd have probably made pancakes. rl If you don't know where you're going, you should know where you came from. Gullah Proverb

Um, you're saying that you support people who have DONE WRONG just because they wear "your colors"? That itself is wrong. I don't know what issues you are talking about. I don't know "what happened with Shayna." I have been a little out-of-the-loop. But I have to strongly disagree with your insistence that people should stick together with each other regardless of whether they have done wrong or not. If my brother beat his wife or kid, I would not stand next to him in court as he pleaded not guilty and tried to weasel out of punishment. Is that what you think "family" is supposed to do?! -Jeffrey Supporting the people you care for doesn't mean supporting the wrong that they do. Abandoning one's friends when they go wrong is reprehensible. rl If you don't know where you're going, you should know where you came from. Gullah Proverb

This would be okay except that some people have skirted right along the edge of saying "rape is justified" and "she deserved to be raped." I'm pretty sure I tried to separate the issues, but you're trying to merge them again. The original post had nothing to do with walking around in a bad neighborhood. rl Yes, keep saying that, even though "some people" overtly stated that they believe that NOT to be true. By the way, I didn't say anything about being raped because you walk through a bad neighborhood. Please pay attention. That was just an A-N-A-L-O-G-Y. -Jeffrey You need to work on your S-A-R-C-A-S-M and I-R-O-N-Y skills. You also need to realize that one does not address in argument those who agree with one's position, but those who do not. It would be pointless to argue otherwise. Perhaps, too, you should review the thread in its entirety. It would prevent hopeless R-E-D-U-N-D-A-N-C-Y. And finally, it is the ability to distinguish cases that makes or breaks an argument. Get some. rl If you don't know where you're going, you should know where you came from. Gullah Proverb

I actually sat awhile and thought about your post. I went through my mental list of relationships and thought about who I'd want to go back to, and no one comes to mind, even if I wasn't the one who ended the relationship. I always go through a grieving/healing process--average three to six months (but once or twice, it has been longer)--whether it was my idea or not. Sometimes it's because I really need a break because it was so bad, and others it's because I just can't imagine being with another guy. But once I get past that period, I wouldn't think of going back. I've been in your situation, and my internal reaction is "WTF are you thinking? It's over. It's been over." I do try to be nice, but I really cannot fathom why some of them even entertain the idea that I would be interested. But during that "window" period, not only would I welcome the call (from some, not all), but I have occasionally made the call/sent the email (when I just can't stand it anymore, even if I know that making the call/sending the email is pointless). So given all that, I guess the answer is whoever is calling you never got over it. rl P.S. When I was younger (much younger and not very wise), there were a few guys that I was sure would never get over me. In a way, they were a kind of mental safety net, because in my mind, I had the idea I could go back if I wanted/needed to. I don't know how old you are, but if you are dealing with very young women, this might be what's at work here. As we get a little older, we realize that there are a lot of people in the world and most people don't carry a torch for a lifetime. But when we're young, we do tend to be a little more egocentric and not as inclined to understand that. If you don't know where you're going, you should know where you came from. Gullah Proverb

Actually, I think "you're a very angry person" is the classic response of those who have no good argument to make. It's right up there with arguing someone's psychology or experiences instead of the premises of the argument. When people do it, I write them off, because I know that almost without exception, they'll never argue anything but my personality. rl If you don't know where you're going, you should know where you came from. Gullah Proverb

I hope you take this in the way it is intended, as a gentle reminder that you hurt some people who did not deserve it. An apology to those people would be in order. rl If you don't know where you're going, you should know where you came from. Gullah Proverb

I can't believe I woke up this morning and found this thread on page 2. What's with you people? Sheesh! rl If you don't know where you're going, you should know where you came from. Gullah Proverb

Zicam, garlic (raw cloves, several times a day), capsaicin (try both capsules and www.sinusbuster.com), ginger (in any form), Oscillococcinum (I know, it's homeopathic, but all the anecdotal "evidence" says it works). Feel better soon. rl If you don't know where you're going, you should know where you came from. Gullah Proverb