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so re 377's note that means that what "some think" is ...wrong Jerry, the silver sulfate was for what, do you know? http://www.policensw.com/info/fingerprints/finger14.htm "Some think this is circumstantial evidence of pre T Bar storage" - is more wishful thinking on the part of people used to wishful thinking. "Some say" the Cooper money shows evidence of pre T-Bar storage . . . . . at the SEAFIRST BANK in Seattle!

Why aren't you mad as HELL about Duane the criminal? It cost FAR MORE of my tax money to imprison him numerous times than it did to help the child of an illegal immigrant get basic health care. By the way Jo, like it or not, a child born in the US is a US citizen regardless of his parents' immigration status. It isn't the kids' fault if their parents are irresponsible. It doesn't bother me one bit to have my tax money spent to help those kids get food, basic medical care and a public education. We are all immigrants if you look back far enough. What's worse: an illegal immigrant who works, drinks and buys his kids junk food or a criminal who rips people off and ends up a mega welfare recipient in prison? 377 377 United States JumpsLicenseIn sport : : F 666: 41 years Apr 9, 2008, 12:53 AM Post #1276 of 10119 (1612 views) Registered: Jun 7, 2001Posts: 1584 Re: [skyjack71] DB Cooper [In reply to] Can't Post SURPRISE I found the letter of resignation Duane wrote in 1980 and a letter he wrote to a friend who was living in WA. The money found by Brian Ingram was found on Feb. 10 1980. Duane's letter to a friend in WA is dated Feb. 24th 1980. In this letter he states that he is resigning from the company and talks about "fading off into the dust". I have mentioned before to the FBI and in the forum that the two things were very close together. This is MORE than co-incident. A man resigns a very good job 2 wks after Brian Ingram finds that money. I wish I knew the date of a special on a program aired about Cooper and the found money. Duane left CO. very quickly after that...remember that he made arrangements so I could not see that program. This is too co-incidental...but I respected my marriage to a very wornderful man - and stored my Cooper things...but, I have them out now and what I remembered was dead on. What would have happened if Duane just stayed put? Wouldn't he raise more eyebrows by resigning and leaving? What if you had seen the Cooper TV program he was trying to prevent you from seeing? What in the program would have tipped you off that you might be married to Cooper? I know you didn't see it, but you know what the general content would be.

except Jo tells us he had an accent, which contradicts the witness testimony. From the above and other articles, seems he pretty much lived in Miami all along (not sure where the jails he went to are). I see Jo's latest as progress. It moves things into a more benign form, which is what Sluggo and 377 were asking for (basically). When you compare Jo's first posts (pages 1-3) with this today, that is real progress. We all know now what we are dealing with. It's what I suspected all along and Jo may have been heading there all along. Even if Jo relapses, it can never have the potency it once had, and Jo more than anyone will be grateful for that - so I see this as progress. Jo has done a good work finally. As for this new person, I have no idea. We can take a look ... Im glad you're not pissed at me, for all this nonsense.

Just arrived hot off the press from Mo-JO CIA HQ: """"" I had to risk that post From: skyjack71 Date Sent: Jun 7, 2009, 12:42 PM When I read the aritcle and saw the picture i had to do this - did you look at the article that is attached to the post. Read it and don't prejudge. I am not trying NOT to post... You blue fairy thing wasn't funny. The no ears is great - why don't you do that with one of the photos where we is not angry or use the Rose composite with the smirk or pout on the face...would be a little more FAIR. right. I need to finish my Sunday routine and it is now Sunday afternoon - not Sunday morning. Takes me for ever to scan something and get it to a sze I can post. You are right - they need to concentrate on Cooper and not keep on about me...if it was not for this post of yours I wouldn't be sending a pm or posting. The article was a windfall on a bad day...but there it was and there was that man. " " " " " Sent copies off to Par Bey and Sister Stella so they can keep up to date astro charts on Mo-Jo's palm reading channeling. EST values approached 101 early this mornin. Maldum fornax in the Great Kah Kah holding steady as predicted (guess Sluggo and 377 were wrong!) ... Blue Fairy IS watching! AI to all . [Quote of the Day]: "If you look into the abyss, the abyss will look into you." (Neitzsche)

So now I have my own connection that puts Duane having known CIA covert Operatives under Howard Hunt. Again this is only my accounting and since I am not credible no one will ever believe a word of it, but I have spoke of and wrote about this incidient with others over the years trying to find out who the man was - his lips and eyes were very distinctive and I just had a hard time associating his appearance with the slight accent. I believe this was discussed extensively with dbcoopercatcher and popeye dole in Unsolved Mysteries forum a few yrs ago. I do not believe we have ever taken this forum that deeply into the CIA subject connections I have explored due to such as the above. I had been tolded repetitively my trying to make these connections would only cause the FBI to not investigate...which proved to be the case. A little more history dies everyday - . Got any info about Blue Fairy?

Jo, Truth is a defense to slander, so if you are publishing true material what are you worried about? No contingency fee lawyer would touch such a small time case for a plaintiff and no ordinary middle class plaintiff could afford to finance such a suit paying by the hour. Lawyer greed works in your favor here Jo. Your fears of lawsuits are unfounded. You come up with all sorts of reasons why Sluggo and now you cannot post allegedly relevant evidence you claim to possess. Just post ALL the relevant evidence you have and let us sort it out, unmanaged. As long as you manage your evidence and selectively disclose it you will not be taken seriously here or anywhere regarding your claim that Duane Weber was DB Cooper or involved was with him. You will be viewed as an obsessed eccentric and it is nobody's fault but your own. Also, the totality of your posts indicates a persistent belief that the FBI does not want to really solve NORJACK for some reason. If you believe that you are deluding yourself. Solving this case would be very beneficial to the FBI and the agent who solved it would rightfully be a media superstar. That is a powerful driver for finding out the truth and a huge disincentive for a coverup. You equate the FBI's lack of extensive followup on Duane with a conspiratorial coverup. I and others here view it as good resource management. Sluggo has urged you to change your approach. I add my voice to his. When the most Jo tolerant guy on the forum says you need to change your ways, you really ought to give it some serious thought. 377 Dont you find this all just a little bit silly? I mean it ALL was already discussed before the first TWO pages of the forum were written, ages ago. It almost tore the group apart then. Forget about Jo! Focus on her candidate, Duane Weber. Two MORE comparison photos are posted below, both without ears (since I cant get one person to even comment about ears!). Focus on facial structure, bone structure, proportions, . . . Dont you find this all just a little bit silly? I thought you guys were about evidence? Oh! and do you suppose these two guys are of the same genetic type?

Imagine a mental health professional looking on _ for months! Wasnt it Sluggo who said: "You never know who is looking on here"? We could all speak in tongues and try to guess what the other is saying. As 377 says and wants: ITS ALL ENTErTAINnMENMTt! The DB Cooper Tinfoil Hatters Triple Naught Forum.

Jo, So you are saying you dont know for sure that the FBI ever was given a video of the night clerk's story? The FBI rarely agrees to keep anything confidential. You can mark something "CONFIDENTIAL" but that does not obligate the recipient to honor your designation if there is no other agreement in which they contractually agreed to do so. You don't have to identify the night clerk visually. Just post the audio and let us hear it. That won't subject him to any kind of harrassment because nobody will know who he is or where to contact him. You can delete his name if he speaks it. You always claim to have relevant Cooper evidence but then can't disclose it for various reasons. I don't think you are a liar, but I do think you manage evidence and do selective disclosure. It hugely detracts from your credibility, yet you continue. You need to accept at least some responsibility for how you are treated here. If you act differently, you will be treated differently. Sluggo tried to make that point in color and boldface but I think it was a wasted effort unfortunately. You don't deserve all the mistreatment you get here but you have brought some of it on by your own actions. Internet forums can be rude, harsh and uncaring. They bring out the Pit Bull in some people as you have experienced. Hang in there Jo. Not everybody here is your enemy. This forum is as much about entertainment as it is about crime solving. Relax and enjoy the show. 377 More Jerry Springer.

Georger there is NO need to hash that one out again but, I will reply as I probably did in the past. Carr says that "he" hasn't been able to find the registration...yet, he NEVER made an attempt to interview that clerk but, he had knowledge of this "witness" since 2001...and his contact information. Note that Carr's orginal posts regarding not being able to find the registration were prior to the Night Clerk walking into the FBI office in Portland around Oct. of 2008. Carr also indicated that he could find "NO hotel registrations" and you know the obvious argument for that as all of the hotels were checked and I am sure there are reports on these interviews SOME place in the FILES which seem to be in pure chaos. Even after the Night Clerk went to the FBI office in 2008, all Carr did was make a couple of phone calls. He judged this man's credibility on a phone call. I hope now he has seen the video made of an unbiased interview of this witness. He was shown several photos and his reactions to one specific photo was ODD. Because of the yrs from 2001 and 2009 (when the video was made) - I feel the man has been exposed to the media and that now any statement he makes will be ignored because of that. Yet, the FBI had a chance to do this in 2001 before his memory could be tainted by exposure to things that have been in the media since that time. Enough said. With all of your enterprise and contacts, what if by chance you turtned up some solid lead to someone who was Cooper, but was not Duane? What would you do? Would you reveal it is or quash it in order to continue to promote Duane? (Your answer will probably be of trhe form: There was no one but Him so no others will turn up. )

interesting - thanks.

That event has been a source of endless grief and anguish for her because she took it as the truth then and still believes it to this day. 377 other people say it didnt happen that way, so who is to be believed? There is no physical evidence at all, actual evidence to the contrary, stories from others which contradict Jo's (accounts plural). By any account those are not good odds.

Jo was saying this to people on PAGE #1 of the thread. Accusing people of being MEAN TO HER. The thread had not even started. So I tried to do an actual count of the times Jo hurled the charge .... I gave up by page 12! Jo uses the charge with anyone that disagrees with her. and has been doing this since the first page of the thread ....... factually.

Yes. Anyone who has watched CSI knows bleach destroys DNA evidence I dont watch CSI... What usually happens here (in the lab) is some dna product is mixed with or contaminated by tap water which is chlorinated. (Untrained people in labs have a nasty habit of doing that and can destroy is very valuable dna sample in an instant by exposure to tap water. Can be very $$costly$$ !). Did CSI cover that?

First we don't know for sure if the tie partial DNA was actually Cooper's. If it is, then Ckret says it can only eliminate suspects, which is useful, but will not ever give us Cooper with 100% certainty. It is possible that the DNA is not Cooper's. If that is the case, it could be erroneously used to eliminate the real Cooper. So how useful is the DNA considering the uncertainty about its origin? Don't get me wrong. Ckret was a VERY valuable participant here. I am really pissed that some vindictive person here may have been responsible for his departure. 377 well the key passage is: "And here is the problem with testing these folks against the DNA: The DNA cannot be used as proof that the person is Cooper. The pool of possible donors is too large, it can only be used to exclude. So you have someone that has no link to the crime other than some stories that can't be proved. You then compare their DNA and it comes back as a partial match. " Ckret is using an outdated view of the current state of dna matching. It all depends on the testing (the samples) but testing technology has evolved far above the perspective Ckret seems to be speaking from. For example, the Human Genome project cost roughly $2 billion and sampled only a fraction of the markers which can be sampled today. The same project conducted today would cost only $200,000, would sample two to three times the markers, and would take only 24 hours! (Storage space however is large.) The problem in Ckret's case is the fact the tie and other evidence was not stored properly, is undoubtedly contaminated ... all of which makes sampling more problematic. But sampling techniques today are far beyond what Ckret seems to be suggesting - and whatever tests were run on item in 71-80 may have contaminated the evidence. In 1971 people didnt even know about dna! Did you know that chlorine, for example, destroys dna? When I made my post I was wondering if someone versed in dna matters would comment.

There were lots of "civilian advisors" in Nam and tech reps. They didn't have to be soldier age. 377 For the mostpart weve been talking about when a person might have been trained and served based on age. Ckret actually offered a theory Cooper had served at McChord, but I wont go into that since Ckret posts are now off the table (more Weber Effect). However, when you and Snow were discussing Vietnam at length, you forgot to include one basic fact which relates directly to your comment above - advisors began going to Vietnam clear back in the Eisenhower administration, in the 50's, prior to Dien Bein Phu if you recall. That's 1953-54. So technically speaking there was a window open as early as 51-54, Cooper could have been involved in, IF Cooper qualified in that regard. So Ive given you a wider window based on actual history than you (or Snowmman) previously allowed or discussed. Now all you have to do is put Cooper there.

Also, since when did what "Ckret said" have more value than an educated guess? 377 Are you saying Ckret's info was unreliable? Who's info here would be more reliable than Ckret's info, in your opinion?

Any reactions to the below re- Gasset/Cook. ? ##### Ckret JumpsLicenseIn sport : : : May 29, 2008, 8:36 PM Post #1885 of 10320 (1537 views) Registered: Sep 7, 2007Posts: 522 Re: [n467us] KC-135 aerial refuel boom operator [In reply to] Can't Post n467us, This is no different than any other person that has been brought forward. Nothing directly connects him to the hijacking. He is dead so anyone can say anything about him and no one can go back to investigate if it is true or not. I offered to compare prints and do DNA testing on the suspect Cook brought forward but he would not provide the suspects complete information to me. We went round and round for months and he always claimed the client/lawyer relationship prevented him from giving me the individuals name. Guess the real problem was a book in the making. (This post was edited by Ckret on May 29, 2008, 8:39 PM)

On March 31st 08 Ckret made the post below regarding (his) interpretation of how dna might be applied, or might-should not be applied, to the Cooper case. Would anyone care to comment about Ckret's comments in this matter? # # # # # Ckret JumpsLicenseIn sport : : : May 31, 2008, 11:07 AM Post #1922 of 10320 (1541 views) Registered: Sep 7, 2007Posts: 522 Re: [peckerhead] Theory: Cooper didn't jump in the deep woods [In reply to] Can't Post My take on the whole "new suspect" thing is the same as the rest. Nothing links any of these people to the crime other than some stories that can't be proven. Beyond that, our efforts are paying off because people are talking about the case which may bring someone forward that can actually be investigated. And here is the problem with testing these folks against the DNA: The DNA cannot be used as proof that the person is Cooper. The pool of possible donors is too large, it can only be used to exclude. So you have someone that has no link to the crime other than some stories that can't be proved. You then compare their DNA and it comes back as a partial match. This, in reality, is meaningless with regard to solving the crime but could you imagine the mess it would stir. It would cause far more harm in resloving the case than it would ever help. If i just did a random sample of a thousand people, several may match the partial DNA as possible donors. For this reason there are very few people I would test against the DNA we have, there would have to be something more than stories about people who are no longer with us. I do, however, plan to look at the prints. " (Ckret)

Jerry Jerry please don't start this again. I did NOT live a couple of block from the McCoy site and you did make the McCoy thing a very serious accusation in your reference to the Phone call you made to Duane's friend. Your memory is not serving you right now. I had just made what I hoped to be my last post. I am referencing our conversation a couple of months ago and a post you made in this forum about Duane's friend and your phone conversation with that friend. I am sure I probably did mention McCoy in my conversations with you in the past and you also by your own admission talked to Duane's friend about Mc Coy. McCoy did not live a couple of blocks from me - that was several miles. That house was on a main fareway and near the Mall. I lived in a very nice subdivision far removed from the elements and rentals and business in the location McCoy was killed in. Attention Orange. Regarding my wording of some things - I am not a writer of any kind - nor am I well organzied anymore. ALL I was doing was stating that Duane showed me where McCoy died and told me about him. He made NO statements at that time regarding feeling remorse for his death. Several months later - he makes a statement about feeling responsible for the death of another. It would be later that I connected McCoy and the statement he made a few months later. Many of you consider that connecting the dots...but realize that I did NOT connect the McCoy site and the statement until 1976 when I found out who DAN Cooper was. In the explanation of McCoy's death it was D.B. Cooper. When he made the statement of "remorse" nothing was said to link McCoy and Cooper. But, I have explained this before. I am too sick to continue this right now...I came here today to just make that one long post and look where it has taken me. Having to defend myself again. I am not a professional writer - you guys are expecting far too much - I am really just a SIMPLE person who needs to resolve all of this. Ckret JumpsLicenseIn sport : : : Dec 6, 2008, 10:50 AM Post #5658 of 10340 (1024 views) Registered: Sep 7, 2007 Posts: 522 Re: [skyjack71] WHY COOPER PICKED PORTLAND, OR. [In reply to] Can't Post "I fall on the bottom of the intellectual scale here and Night Clerk is doing well. I am having a hard time holding on to the bit and reins. If Carr doesn't do something soon I think Night Clerk will come thru the gate without waiting for the buzzard..oops I think that is supposed to be spelled differently. On a serious NOTE. The night clerk wants to go public, but I am the one saying NOT yet...let the FBI do what they have to do. Since Carr made his narrow minded statement about me - this indicates the FBI is NOT searching their records for the registration." Reply: I have already posted that I cannot find a registration with John Collins name on it. For the sake of argument let’s say that there was a registration with the name John Collins on it and the clerk says that John Collins looks like the picture of Duane Weber and he believes Duane Weber looks like Cooper. OK, now what? That would be great info to confront Weber with but that is not a possibility. (This post was edited by Ckret on Dec 6, 2008, 10:56 AM)

I wonder of Cooper was in SE Asia during the war and was traumatized by what he saw? Wouldn't that be something if both cases had their roots in Viet Nam? It is just speculation though. We (excluding Jo) still have no idea who Cooper was. 377 Weve been over this a thousand times. Ckret said too old for VN.

I think you are talking about "stereotyping". Had you taken a poll immediately after 11-24-71 most young people (college age) would have said Cooper was a young guy, in spite of news coverage and facts. People tend to catagorise things according to what they can identify with personally or from snipets they pick up quickly , in spite of news coverage and facts .... That is one way myths get started. People tend to promulgate their own myth sets in order to bolster their own identities. Some people think psychology is a myth. Some people think that physics is a myth. Some people think that everything is a myth.

I NEVER said that Weber was passive aggressive in temperament. He could and was violent when the need arised. . I have seen Duane Weber VIOLENT but will never discuss those episodes in this forum, but I will state that I am not the only one aware of what he could DO and what he was capable of doing. Duane was able to reastrain his feelings and temper and actions - you learn to do that in prison if you wish to survive...but the person he was directing this action at did not know that. The look on his face, the tone of his voice, what he said was all it took to back someone down. I assure you he was capabable of handing himself in certain situations - both physically and mentally. Nonsense. Duane was a pussy, in every sense of the word! Arrested 26 (current count as of tonight is 27) times, plus minor crimes not on the blotter - a sick wimp punk sneaking around always under the eye of authority. A real Superman! So what are these "certain situations" you speak of above? (Hitting some old lady over the head when her back was turned?) below - Ckret JumpsLicenseIn sport : : : Jun 4, 2008, 4:18 AM Post #2036 of 10320 (1604 views) Registered: Sep 7, 2007Posts: 522 Re: [skyjack71] Theory: Cooper didn't jump in the deep woods [In reply to] Can't Post Jo, I thought you knew Duane's history, sorry for revealing that to you over the forum. None of the arrests were for violent crimes, I can post what he was arrested for or PM you. In regard to the . . . " You keep pumping Duane up to be something he was not. You never provide any evidence. Isnt that a pretty cowardly thing for you to do ... for 13+ years. How long do you expect people to wait for the real McCoy? WHERE'S THE BEEF ON THIS SUPERMAN DUANE? You know Jo, the best things in LIFE dont cost much. So what is your excuse with this Duane FIASCO that is running a debt above all others, in the Cooper library of accounts? How can you be right or even justified when 99% of the world says you are wrong and nuts?

Perhaps the story is unbelievable - because NO one believes the truth...BUT I am not a liar - never have been and never will be. So you didnt send the PM I have in which you claim Ckret was been "kicked off" the Cooper case? Not to mention the fact that 99.9% of the human race admits to lying sometimes, but in psychological circles it is well known that "pathological liars" usually claim to never lying at all ! So where do you fit?

you can stop right there. How would Duane have "caused" McCoy's DEATH! ? Duane had no connection whatever to the living breathing McCoy and McCoy didnt know Duane existed. Duane wasnt even in the same class as McCoy except that they both spent time in different prisons for totally different crimes. Was Duane a "Peter Puffer" fascinated with prisoners (he didnt even know)? Was duane bi-sexual or homosexual and prone fantasies? Duane may not have known McCoy even existed until you two sleuths moved to Virginia Beach and began poking around, looking for trouble? Isnt that the correct version. ? If Duane was so almighty-important in the criminal world (or any any venue) how come the FBI never knew about this! McCoy didnt ever look Duane up to get lessons and advice! Duane was a nobody and a nothing with congenital PKD, malformed hip and orthopedic issues, a personality disorder, and who knows what else .... that you have been trying to pass off as DB Cooper. Doesn't that about cover your whole story? The fact is Jo, there is a common thread in everything you have ever posted about Duane and your and Duanes life together. By your own words the story is full of what you see as adventure and your version of adventure includes such low-order behaviors as sneaking around, poking around, lurking looking for opportunities, stealing coats, clandestine nonsensical covert activities including clandestine photography, secret missions with secret people, mysterious photos, a soap opera life filled with endless emotional strife and mysterious happenings and secret places, and a strong "gotcha" mentality on your part which reveals deep seated inferiority issues - all by your own words and actions! We know Duane's arrest record and life history from very credible sources which you yourself have certified is true (but you minimise or maximise it when and where appropriate to your needs). That is not a credible foundation for any story. Be it a story about Duane Weber or any story about anything. You are like a broken record that goes 'round endlessly, and you probably need psychiatric help. Have I missed something?

I am sure I have heard the Night After story before but I just cant document where or from who. Jerry just might have something to tie this to? (Jerry... you here?). I really think this would be something worth getting to the bottom of...