Gravitymaster

If they stand there with a club in their hand it is. Your argument is non-sensical. Like saying all speeding is bad without defining what speeding is. If I am going 55 in a 35, I'm speeding. If I'm doing 55 in a 65, I'm not.

No idea of what you are talking about. I thought I made my views very clear. Oh, wait...you mean do I agree with your definition? OK now I see what you are saying. We have laws, when someone breaks those laws, they should be arrested, tried and punished if they are guilty. That clear it up for you?

What law did he break? Do you really believe this doesn't go on from both sides? Seriously? Did the NBPP thugs end up in jail? I don't recall you rattling on about that incident.

Problem with your stats is States don't vote. People vote.

I'm not running for anything. I couldn't care less that someone gets butt-hurt over the truth.

The problem with your tribe is that you think its "their" children. Last time I checked men are equally responsible for making babies, but maybe you can clear that up. I have no idea where you got the idea that I was only talking about one party being responsible for having a child. Men and women have equal responsibility and both have access to birth control. Last I checked, a condom only costs $.50 unless you get one of those fancy "French Tickelers". Besides, any woman who would have sex with a guy who can't come up with $.50 for a condom has made a poor choice already.

My point exactly. Take responsibility for oneself and stop expecting others to pay for your personal hygiene. Or we can continue to expand government to take care of people who won't take care of themselves.

So the only two options are we either pay for their birth control or we pay for their children? I'm really glad I don't live in a Metropolitan area if this is how your tribe thinks.

Good point. If our population was more educated, Mitt would have won. Instead, the uneducated masses put a child with a credit card back in because he promised to buy them presents.

That's a very nice and cosiderate gesture towards the parents. Thank you for being part of honoring his service to the country.

Worked for me. I've never killed anybody.

Not really. But for once, lets try cutting spending for a while before we talk about raising taxes. I think more people would support the combination if they see government doing something other than continuing to spend and raise taxes to spend even more.

Nope, because I have the discipline not to spend more than I have coming in. Unlike some we know. Who was the last Republican president to spend less than came in? Not about the past, as much as some like to dwell there. It's about what we are going to do about it in the future. If Obama increases taxes, do you honestly believe the money will be used to pay down the debt?

Never happen. Guess that's why I would make a lousy politician. If you want to spend, then you need to make sacrifices in other areas to be able to pay for it.

Nope, because I have the discipline not to spend more than I have coming in. Unlike some we know.

Not what I said at all. Here's what I said: So once again, you have twisted what I said.

I would have less objection to increasing revenue if I thought government would use it to pay down the debt and they would stop with all the social engineering. However, history tells us that that will never happen. The only way to stop a child from spending more than they make is to take away their credit card. Do you believe increased tax revenue will result in the money being used to pay down the debt?

Firearms just leap off a table and go on a shooting spree? Damn, I'd sure like to see that. Maybe it's voodoo or some other kind of Black Magic. Perhaps a David Copperfield illusion?

Don't over-analyze it. It was just food for thought and a commentary on where we place our values.

Well, obviously this white hispanic is just trying to use a broken nose and a smashed up face to justify killing a black child. Running around playing cop, he probably deserved it.

Works for me. However, I would also be in favor of increasing their salary considerably if they are in a combat zone. One of the things that goads me the most is the complexity of out tax system. I think this is something you and I have pretty much always agreed on.

Just ponder this for a little while. Every single American in this country with a retirement acct will eventually be paying capital gains tax someday. Raising capital gains is going to make it more difficult for that middle class guy that busted his ass his whole life to make ends meet with what he's managed to scrape up by age 65. Raising capital gains will effect everyone. Not to mention it "could" discourage investing and saving which could cause a whole other slough of problems. I make roughly 90,000 a year. With all my deductions I pay around 10-15% federal rate (rough guess), assuming I was going to retire now, off of a little less income, and the kids are grown and house paid off, I'm going to be collecting about 75% of my income at 15% tax rate. Manageable, but if we decide to stick it to the capital gainers, the possibility of me retiring before I die, is decreasing rapidly depending on how crazy we get with the rates in the name of fairness. Everything you attempt to do will have collateral damage on the middle class. Attacking 1% of the population at the cost of everyone with a retirement acct on the basis of them not paying their fair share when those 1% already pay 40% of the taxes, just seems like a path we don't want to go down. I honestly think we both want the middle class to succeed Kallend, but don't punish me in an attempt to bring down someone that's done better than me. Now if the country decides to treat capital gains as a regular income tax below age 55 or something along those lines, I've got no problem with that. But even that will have a negative effect on investing. If we want growth, we need investors. That incentive to paying less taxes by investing your money is probably a big part of what will ensure that my acct has grown to a "retireable" figure by the time I hit that age. We all benefit from that. But just jacking up capital gains tax under the premise of the "rich need to pay more" is going to hurt a lot of people. Really not relevant. Working for a living should not be "penalized" (to use your and gravitymaster's silly concept.) There is absolutely no reason that clipping coupons should get more favorable treatment than working. Neither is punishing people who saved their money and invested it instead of pissing it away on the latest toy. 1. Taxes aren't punishment. 2. I'm glad you agree then that all sources should be taxed the same way and that income from WORK should not be treated less favorably. Yes, a flat tax or national sales tax would not punish those who work hard. It would also do away with exemptions that allow some to get away with paying no federal income tax. Eliminate all exemptions including mortgage deductions and then cut government spending way back.

Money used to buy the "latest toy" is tax exempt? I did not know that. So all I have to do is spend all my money on toys and I'll never have to pay taxes? What a country! Don Funny, considering your rant from earlier today.