Gravitymaster

Really? Tell that to the families of the victims of the theatre shooting in Colorado. Try to sell that argument to them. Good luck. Hi-cap mags aren't THE problem. They're just ONE of the problems (among many) regarding guns in America. __________________________________________________ What might have helped in the colorado theatre shooting is if the school psychologist who had seen and made observations on the guy had notified police or other people that there was a problem. Not real familiar with the shooting itself, but I seem to recall he had lots of weapons, so having a high-capacity mag in one weapon doesn't seem to up the ante a whole lot. . INDEED. Keeping crazy people from having easy access to guns needs to be the top priority. All else is secondary. I agree. Now explain how we do that without trampling on the rights of the 99% who own guns responsibly. And explain how a national database would have prevented the shooting rampage in Newtown.

You always crack me up.

Well I guess you're right then. Pro-gun organisations are pushing for greater restrictions on gun ownership but the damned liberal anti-gunners won't let it happen. Clearly the NRA is pushing for a database of the mentally ill. At least LaPierre is. Why do liberals like you always think that an organization like the NRA, which consists of gun owners, who lobby for their 2nd amendment right to protect themselves, all must think as one? I never understood that.

Certainly no discussions with those who need to always be right and make lame attempts to tear down others who disagree with them. Please return to ignore mode. I liked you better.

When a crazy person decides to go on a killing spree, they will use whatever weapon is at hand. If it isn't a gun, it will be a knife or a sword or an automobile or a IED.

Killing Spree in Japan Reuters 06.08.01 IKEDA, Japan -- Eight children were killed and 15 people injured in Japan's worst school tragedy on Friday when a middle-aged man with a history of mental illness went on a stabbing rampage at an elementary school in western Japan. The injured were mostly seven and eight year-old students at the school in Ikeda, a suburb of the western city of Osaka. Seven of those killed were girls and one was a six-year-old boy, Japanese media said. Two teachers were also injured, police said, including one 28-year-old man who was in critical condition and underwent emergency surgery after the attack, considered unprecedented in traditionally safe Japan. Five children were also in critical condition, television reports said. The tragedy began when the man, wielding a 28-cm (11 inch) knife, walked into a classroom in mid-morning and began to stab children in a rampage that media said lasted a little over 10 minutes. "He came in holding a knife and started stabbing," a first grade girl said. One sixth-grade girl told Reuters: "We were listening to an announcement over the loudspeaker, and then it was broken into by a scream and a noise like a desk falling down," "Then I heard someone scream from below, 'Run!"' Several children ran into a nearby supermarket yelling and crying for help, witnesses said. "One of the boys, whose back was stained with red blood, fell in front of the cashier. He was pale and did not speak a word," a shop clerk told a television reporter. Said one schoolboy: "I saw a person who had fallen down. I also saw blood." Police were holding in custody a 37-year-old man who they said had previously undergone treatment for schizophrenia. "We have arrested a suspect," said a local police spokesman. It was the worst mass-killing in Japan since the 1995 fatal sarin gas attack on crowded Tokyo subways by the Aum Shinrikyo (Aum Supreme Truth) cult which left 12 dead and thousands ill. The motive behind the incident was unclear, but NHK public broadcaster said that the suspect had told police he had taken 10 times the usual dosage of tranquilizers and was babbling. While school shootings, such the 1999 massacre at Columbine High School in Colorado, have become a grim part of life in the United States, random tragedy on such a scale is unheard of at Japanese schools. The quiet of the summer day around the school, located in an ordinary residential area, was shattered by wailing sirens and the clatter of helicopters. Ambulances lined the school driveway while students streamed out of the building and gathered on the school playing fields. Frantic parents arrived at the school soon after, talking urgently into mobile phones. They later left with their children, tight-lipped. The suspect, whom police asked not to name because of his history of mental illness, told police he wanted to suffer the death penalty for his crime. "I was fed up with everything," police quoted him as saying, adding that he had previously attempted to commit suicide. "I want to be put to death." Media said that the suspect had previously been arrested for allegedly putting tranquilizers in tea which he gave to teachers at a school where he was employed, but was not brought to trial because he was under treatment for mental illness. The government launched an emergency task force headed by Education Minister Atsuko Toyama and sent officials to the site. Although Japan has traditionally been known for its safety, this has been changing in recent years, with the number of senseless crimes, often committed by teenagers, rising rapidly. "These are not ordinary times," said Katsuhiro Kinoshita, the father of a sixth-grader at the school. "I felt the blood drain from my face when I heard." Prime Minister Junichiro Koizumi told reporters: "This is a terrible incident. I am very worried about the children." In 1999, a seven-year-old schoolboy was murdered after a man entered a school playground and stabbed him to death. Last year, one 17-year-old boy bludgeoned passengers at a trendy Tokyo shopping district with a baseball bat after a fight with his father, another beat his mother to death with a metal bat, while a third stabbed an elderly neighbor to death because he wanted to experience killing someone. One of the grisliest incidents of recent years, the 1997 murder and beheading of an 11-year-old boy, was carried out by his 14-year-old playmate. More recently, there has been a wave of incidents on Tokyo's crowded trains, including one in which a man was killed by a fellow passenger enraged at his request for people to step back so he could board. --------------------------------------------------------------- Tokyo's Akihabara district, a popular shopping area for consumer electronics, was still in shock on Monday following a killing spree by a 25-year-old man who plowed a rented truck into an intersection full of pedestrians, then began stabbing bystanders at random. The rampage, which left seven dead and 10 injured, was another reminder of a violent side of Japan that is not often discussed. Japan has one of the lowest crime rates in the developed world, yet the country still sees spasms of stunningly brutal, often random killings. The June 8 Akihabara massacre occurred exactly seven years after a former school janitor with a history of mental illness stabbed eight children to death and injured many others at their elementary school near Osaka. The nation has seen a spate of stabbings already this year, including a shopping-mall knife attack in March in which one was slain and seven were injured. Such crimes are often perpetrated by mentally unstable men in their 20s and 30s, but experts say that gruesome acts committed by adolescents and teenagers have been on the rise for the last five years. The infamous 1997 Kobe case of a 14-year-old boy who strangled and decapitated an 11-year-old friend of his brother and displayed the child's head on a school gate was followed last year by a 17-year-old boy who cut off his mother's head as she slept and delivered it, wrapped, to the nearest police box the following morning. In January, a 16-year-old boy attacked five people with kitchen knives in Tokyo. In an attempt to make sense of the senseless, experts point to many possible reasons for these violent outbursts. Because of the stigma of mental illness that exists in Japan, the mentally ill often go untreated. Economic conditions are also blamed. "The gap between wealth and poverty has widened for the past five years," says Mitsuyuki Maniwa, professor emeritus of criminal sociology at Shizuoka University. Society's have-nots "lose everything, from hope to motivation in life, pride, and self-esteem." Maniwa points out that the alleged Akihabara killer, whom police identified as Tomohiro Kato, was "not making an easy living" as a temporary factory employee. "This kind of society and the way it works causes this kind of crime," Maniwa maintains. Japanese youth face similar pressures because of the country's demanding and competitive educational system. "Young people have been pushed into a corner," says Maniwa. Teachers and parents hold children personally responsible for their failures, so kids "blame themselves and run into a brick wall." While mass murderers are sometimes too mentally unstable to explain their acts, the suspect in the Akihabara killings gave police reasons that were chillingly mundane. After his arrest, the left side of his face smeared with blood, Kato allegedly told police that he was tired of life and came to Akihabara to kill people — and it didn't matter who they were. The killer, according to the Mainichi newspaper reportedly posted details of his plans in a series of 28 messages on an online discussion board. The postings were sent through his mobile phone. The last came 20 minutes before the rampage began. It read: "It's time." Read more: http://www.time.com/time/world/article/0,8599,1812808,00.html#ixzz2FwzwJpKm

How long do you think it takes to change a magazine on a handgun or an "assault rifle"? Have you ever even used a weapon? Your contentions are ridiculous if you think lives will be spared because someone has to take a few seconds to hit the release button, drop the magazine, insert another and then re-cock the weapon.

I wouldn't be so sure. Paul Ryan is one of the leading candidate to become SOTH.

It's like the stock market. You gotta time your purchases when the lobs aren't threatening to tear up the Constitution.

Unfortunately the man is at odds with his constituency, because I've heard that gun owners don't trust Politicians to simply create a database whose sole purpose is to prevent crazies from getting guns. Gosh, you mean every NRA member doesn't agree with the Director? Of course your stupid statement has been refuted.

How about the ones who use drones to murder American citizens without due process?

1. How long do you think it takes to load another magazine? I can do it in a few seconds. 2. What assault weapon do you think people have access to that should be banned? 3. How do any of your recommendations keep ciminals from obtaining a weapon?

What guns specifically do citizens own that you think belong in the military and why?

Because the Swiss have common sense. 'Mericans think, "Only MY sense makes sense." Nope, it is cause the swiss get as much boobies as they like. I swear violence is correlated to how prudish a society is. You could be on to something there mate. You guys are getting very close to blaming this on women. The libs will start accusing you of fostering a "War on Women" if you aren't careful.

Because many people feel the government has too much involvement in theirs lives already. They do not trust Politicians to simply create a database whose sole purpose is to prevent crazies from getting guns. When government starts to do what they promise instead of using every issue to creep further into people lives, then government will find people more cooperative. As it is, people hold Used Car Salesmen in higher esteem.

Really? That's the line you're taking? Then I'm sure you'll have no problems showing where elements of the pro gun lobby have pushed for heavier restrictions on access to guns by those with mental issues. By listening to what they say. -Wayne LaPierrie

I agree. That's why the focus should be on making sure crazy's and violent criminals don't get them, while at the same time not infringing on law abiding citizens Constitutional Right to own a firearm.

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How did the law fail in the Sandy Hook case? Mom bought the guns legally. Lanza was crazy. Did the law fail to address the fact that there was a crazy person in the household? Should she have been denied the right to acquire a firearm because her crazy son lived with her? Should the law have required that she prove the guns would be secure? Not being contentious, but were things like these deliberately opposed by the gun lobby? Just trying to understand where you think a breakdown may have been in the law. How about other cases where the shooter was not previously known to be "crazy", but also did not own the firearms himself? What specific points should be written into a non-toothless law? What specific provisions were included or not included because of the "gun lobby". Don't get in his way when he begins to wriggle. First thing he does is accuse you of exactly what he's doing.

Semi automatic weapons were most certainly "in use at the time" weapons commonly used by citizens for protection are protected by the 2nd Amendment. The AR15 is the most common and popular rifle. It outsells every other model.

I believe we have one. It's just toothless courtesy of the gun lobby and people like you. Whose job is it to enforce the laws? Here's a hint: it's not the NRA. The law is toothless, and was deliberately made toothless courtesy of the gun lobby and people like you. Explain how. (here comes the wriggle) Is the NICS check required of all transfers? Are the data kept in a database for future reference? How many recent shootings could have been prevented?

LAW ABIDING CITIZENS do not fight cops in the street, or anywhere else. frankly if the law to ban and confiscate is unconstitutional, then not allowing them to have your guns would not be against the law. If they wanted to force it, then they are taking your property, and you would be justified to defend it. Especially if they were entering your house. The decision on whether a law to ban assault rifles is unConstitutional is not yours to make. You have to assume it's Constitutional until a court declares otherwise. What part of the Heller Decision are you having trouble understanding?

I believe we have one. It's just toothless courtesy of the gun lobby and people like you. Whose job is it to enforce the laws? Here's a hint: it's not the NRA. The law is toothless, and was deliberately made toothless courtesy of the gun lobby and people like you. Explain how. (here comes the wriggle)

I believe we have one. It's just toothless courtesy of the gun lobby and people like you. Whose job is it to enforce the laws? Here's a hint: it's not the NRA.

Jakee, I'm on your side here, and I appreciate the boost, but let it go. I'm just fucking with him because it's fun. And I'm just fuckin with you and Jakee. Mainly because Jakee takes everything so literal and serious.